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Post by Rovers 12th Man on Jun 13, 2019 9:34:36 GMT
According to coventry city davies was released. Little has had a good career but you have to wonder why he hardly played last season. I just think that signing 2 right-backs and a centre-back coming in to replace arguably our best player does not = top ten just at the moment. Agreed. All of last season we were crying out for some pace out wide and a playmaker in the middle, even when results picked up around Christmas it was obvious and that so far hasn’t changed. If we can sign two wingers who are quick and decent league 1 standard and find someone who can help us keep possession in midfield then we can challenge top half. We obviously need a good keeper too. Until then it’s a relegation scrap , but there’s plenty of time obviously until the window shuts. Sercombe can play more centrally and be the attacking midfielder/play maker that a lot of people seem to be asking for if we get a winger or 2 in and he isn't forced out wide.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 13, 2019 9:37:21 GMT
Actually auditors do attend AGM's so it is unusual for them not too. When the accounts are late, then the auditors should be there to give their side of the story to the shareholders. It's the first time I can remember there being no auditors at a BRFC AGM and what a surprise that this coincides with the one time that the accounts are late. Even if there is no real story behind this, from a PR and shareholder communication perspective, it reflects very poorly on the board. The explanation given by the Chairman was that the cost of the auditors attending was too great. Usually AGM attendance is part of the contractual arrangement between company and auditor. It didn't get the meeting off to a good start and sadly added to the toxicity of the AGM. Auditors are not board members or shareholders, but can attend if they feel the need, accept an invitation to, or need to listen to any other minority shareholder. I have seen companies have them attend and not attend. There was a reason given for the lateness, its been stated clearly, even when the local rag tried to make a story out of it, but even then there was accusations made at the AGM that Hani did not want to sign off the accounts to keep us a going concern, with no evidence given to support that theory. What will satisfy all of you who were fearing the delay meant something? Copies of the emails between the accountants and the board? Its just nonsense. The accounts were filed, we know the situation, it isnt great, but we're still going. Move on. The only thing that added to the toxicity of the evening was John Harding and some scruffy, hairy fellow sat in the front row shouting his mouth off, shouting others down (including members of the board) and making personal accusations to which no evidence was given to substantiate those claims. And when given an opportunity to answer a direct question on his vitriolic garb by Martyn Starnes, he had no answer to give other than a fumbled response.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 13, 2019 9:38:33 GMT
Brilliant post, brilliant. Here is Wael’s future strategy and I haven’t spoken to the bloke but let’s pretend I am him for some fun.............”we are hoping on the field to produce a Division 1 football team with the help of Graham Coughlan that can challenge for promotion playing winning entertaining football. We also hope to see players come into the first team from the youth team and be a club where we attract young talent and be trusted by parents to allow their children to join our teams..........off the field we are striving to improve all commercial aspects of the club and we are making progress in these areas as you will see. We know the current stadium is not really suited for sustained Championship football and potential future Premiership football in the future, a dream of every club outside the top 18 clubs in the country currently. With this in mind we are still working hard and striving to find ourselves a solution to give Bristol Rovers and it’s fans a new home to play football in. We know this is essential to the clubs existence and ambition to reach higher heights in football in this country and I assure everyone personally that I am doing my upmost to achieve this united goal” I reckon this is pretty much Wael’s strategy OK - sounds reasonable. But. "we are still working hard and striving to find ourselves a solution to give Bristol Rovers and it’s fans a new home to play football in". UWE collapsed some time ago. I think what would pacify a lot of supporters is to see some actual evidence that we are genuinely looking at new sites. We had the initial lie about re-developing the Memorial Stadium with people who have built "not 4 or 5 but 10 world class stadiums" (I paraphrase). Then there was the mythical Stadium that just failed at the final hurdle before Christmas. Where was it then? Show me the evidence. Don't hide behind NDA's. Action speaks louder than words. I can't give Dwane Sports 'the benefit of doubt' because I don't have blind faith. Wael stated quite clearly at the AGM that the stadium was UWE. And that UWE pulled the plug despite having it agreed.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2019 9:38:46 GMT
Brilliant post, brilliant. Here is Wael’s future strategy and I haven’t spoken to the bloke but let’s pretend I am him for some fun.............”we are hoping on the field to produce a Division 1 football team with the help of Graham Coughlan that can challenge for promotion playing winning entertaining football. We also hope to see players come into the first team from the youth team and be a club where we attract young talent and be trusted by parents to allow their children to join our teams..........off the field we are striving to improve all commercial aspects of the club and we are making progress in these areas as you will see. We know the current stadium is not really suited for sustained Championship football and potential future Premiership football in the future, a dream of every club outside the top 18 clubs in the country currently. With this in mind we are still working hard and striving to find ourselves a solution to give Bristol Rovers and it’s fans a new home to play football in. We know this is essential to the clubs existence and ambition to reach higher heights in football in this country and I assure everyone personally that I am doing my upmost to achieve this united goal” I reckon this is pretty much Wael’s strategy OK - sounds reasonable. But. "we are still working hard and striving to find ourselves a solution to give Bristol Rovers and it’s fans a new home to play football in". UWE collapsed some time ago. I think what would pacify a lot of supporters is to see some actual evidence that we are genuinely looking at new sites. We had the initial lie about re-developing the Memorial Stadium with people who have built "not 4 or 5 but 10 world class stadiums" (I paraphrase). Then there was the mythical Stadium that just failed at the final hurdle before Christmas. Where was it then? Show me the evidence. Don't hide behind NDA's. Action speaks louder than words. I can't give Dwane Sports 'the benefit of doubt' because I don't have blind faith. I completely agree, and it works both ways. I hear all sorts from people on both sides at the club and most of the time it's contradictory, misunderstanding or at the worse, outright lies. I see no evidence of progress with the stadium but I also see no evidence we are about to implode.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 9:41:50 GMT
Agreed. All of last season we were crying out for some pace out wide and a playmaker in the middle, even when results picked up around Christmas it was obvious and that so far hasn’t changed. If we can sign two wingers who are quick and decent league 1 standard and find someone who can help us keep possession in midfield then we can challenge top half. We obviously need a good keeper too. Until then it’s a relegation scrap , but there’s plenty of time obviously until the window shuts. Sercombe can play more centrally and be the attacking midfielder/play maker that a lot of people seem to be asking for if we get a winger or 2 in and he isn't forced out wide. Attacking, goalscoring midfielder, yes, if he can regain some form. Playmaker, never in a million years. Even with a rejuvenated Sercombe, we still need a Chris Lines type player who can dictate play in the middle.
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 13, 2019 10:12:38 GMT
OK - sounds reasonable. But. "we are still working hard and striving to find ourselves a solution to give Bristol Rovers and it’s fans a new home to play football in". UWE collapsed some time ago. I think what would pacify a lot of supporters is to see some actual evidence that we are genuinely looking at new sites. We had the initial lie about re-developing the Memorial Stadium with people who have built "not 4 or 5 but 10 world class stadiums" (I paraphrase). Then there was the mythical Stadium that just failed at the final hurdle before Christmas. Where was it then? Show me the evidence. Don't hide behind NDA's. Action speaks louder than words. I can't give Dwane Sports 'the benefit of doubt' because I don't have blind faith. Wael stated quite clearly at the AGM that the stadium was UWE. And that UWE pulled the plug despite having it agreed. Thanks 1981. I guess this is where the confusion kicks in. I was told by a Board member that there was no direct contact between Dwane Sports and UWE after the initial deal collapsed 21 months ago. Am I being 'fed' false information? I'm not sure what purpose that would achieve. If Wael is claiming that Dwane Sports tried to resurrect the UWE deal last year - all well and good. I would still like some evidence of this. Sorry, after numerous material inconsistencies, I just can't take what Wael says at face value. Or did a third party (independent of Dwane Sports) try and fail to resurrect the UWE deal? (Hence all the 'good news by the end of October' that failed to materialise). It's not semantics - the former implies Dwane Sports were actively trying to find a new home for Bristol Rovers. The latter implies Wael is being disingenuous.
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Post by Marshy on Jun 13, 2019 10:15:17 GMT
Drop the dead donkey.
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Post by chewbacca on Jun 13, 2019 10:34:27 GMT
I'm striving to win the lottery every week, buying a ticket, hoping it just falls in my lap. That's not really a strategy though is it...
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Post by lpgas on Jun 13, 2019 10:36:04 GMT
We will have a winger in 2 weeks or before.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 13, 2019 10:39:14 GMT
Actually auditors do attend AGM's so it is unusual for them not too. When the accounts are late, then the auditors should be there to give their side of the story to the shareholders. It's the first time I can remember there being no auditors at a BRFC AGM and what a surprise that this coincides with the one time that the accounts are late. Even if there is no real story behind this, from a PR and shareholder communication perspective, it reflects very poorly on the board. The explanation given by the Chairman was that the cost of the auditors attending was too great. Usually AGM attendance is part of the contractual arrangement between company and auditor. It didn't get the meeting off to a good start and sadly added to the toxicity of the AGM. Auditors are not board members or shareholders, but can attend if they feel the need, accept an invitation to, or need to listen to any other minority shareholder. I have seen companies have them attend and not attend. There was a reason given for the lateness, its been stated clearly, even when the local rag tried to make a story out of it, but even then there was accusations made at the AGM that Hani did not want to sign off the accounts to keep us a going concern, with no evidence given to support that theory. What will satisfy all of you who were fearing the delay meant something? Copies of the emails between the accountants and the board? Its just nonsense. The accounts were filed, we know the situation, it isnt great, but we're still going. Move on. The only thing that added to the toxicity of the evening was John Harding and some scruffy, hairy fellow sat in the front row shouting his mouth off, shouting others down (including members of the board) and making personal accusations to which no evidence was given to substantiate those claims. And when given an opportunity to answer a direct question on his vitriolic garb by Martyn Starnes, he had no answer to give other than a fumbled response. "scruffy, hairy fellow sat in the front row shouting his mouth off" Grey haired? Gasincider?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 13, 2019 10:41:50 GMT
Wael stated quite clearly at the AGM that the stadium was UWE. And that UWE pulled the plug despite having it agreed. Thanks 1981. I guess this is where the confusion kicks in. I was told by a Board member that there was no direct contact between Dwane Sports and UWE after the initial deal collapsed 21 months ago. Am I being 'fed' false information? I'm not sure what purpose that would achieve. If Wael is claiming that Dwane Sports tried to resurrect the UWE deal last year - all well and good. I would still like some evidence of this. Sorry, after numerous material inconsistencies, I just can't take what Wael says at face value. Or did a third party (independent of Dwane Sports) try and fail to resurrect the UWE deal? (Hence all the 'good news by the end of October' that failed to materialise). It's not semantics - the former implies Dwane Sports were actively trying to find a new home for Bristol Rovers. The latter implies Wael is being disingenuous. Well it depends on which director told you that. Also it was being handled by a third party who was part of the original project.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 13, 2019 10:46:12 GMT
Auditors are not board members or shareholders, but can attend if they feel the need, accept an invitation to, or need to listen to any other minority shareholder. I have seen companies have them attend and not attend. There was a reason given for the lateness, its been stated clearly, even when the local rag tried to make a story out of it, but even then there was accusations made at the AGM that Hani did not want to sign off the accounts to keep us a going concern, with no evidence given to support that theory. What will satisfy all of you who were fearing the delay meant something? Copies of the emails between the accountants and the board? Its just nonsense. The accounts were filed, we know the situation, it isnt great, but we're still going. Move on. The only thing that added to the toxicity of the evening was John Harding and some scruffy, hairy fellow sat in the front row shouting his mouth off, shouting others down (including members of the board) and making personal accusations to which no evidence was given to substantiate those claims. And when given an opportunity to answer a direct question on his vitriolic garb by Martyn Starnes, he had no answer to give other than a fumbled response. "scruffy, hairy fellow sat in the front row shouting his mouth off" Grey haired? Gasincider? I wouldn’t know who gasincider was if he came up and slapped me on the arse. Show me a photo and I’ll tell you if it was him.
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Post by jungleboogie on Jun 13, 2019 10:50:28 GMT
Wael stated quite clearly at the AGM that the stadium was UWE. And that UWE pulled the plug despite having it agreed. Thanks 1981. I guess this is where the confusion kicks in. I was told by a Board member that there was no direct contact between Dwane Sports and UWE after the initial deal collapsed 21 months ago. Am I being 'fed' false information? I'm not sure what purpose that would achieve. If Wael is claiming that Dwane Sports tried to resurrect the UWE deal last year - all well and good. I would still like some evidence of this. Sorry, after numerous material inconsistencies, I just can't take what Wael says at face value. Or did a third party (independent of Dwane Sports) try and fail to resurrect the UWE deal? (Hence all the 'good news by the end of October' that failed to materialise). It's not semantics - the former implies Dwane Sports were actively trying to find a new home for Bristol Rovers. The latter implies Wael is being disingenuous. Why? Who's died to make you so important that you need to see evidence of discussions between 2 parties that you have no (as far as I'm aware) involvement in, other than being a fan? Do you demand to see confidential emails at your place of work, that you wouldn't normally have any access to, just because YOU want to know something? As has been mentioned numerous times on this forum, there are some deluded folk around, who think they should know the ins and outs of everything to do with this club. UTG
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 13, 2019 10:56:28 GMT
"scruffy, hairy fellow sat in the front row shouting his mouth off" Grey haired? Gasincider? I wouldn’t know who gasincider was if he came up and slapped me on the arse. Show me a photo and I’ll tell you if it was him. 60 year old hippie look alike or just look at Baggy
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 13, 2019 11:01:13 GMT
Thanks 1981. I guess this is where the confusion kicks in. I was told by a Board member that there was no direct contact between Dwane Sports and UWE after the initial deal collapsed 21 months ago. Am I being 'fed' false information? I'm not sure what purpose that would achieve. If Wael is claiming that Dwane Sports tried to resurrect the UWE deal last year - all well and good. I would still like some evidence of this. Sorry, after numerous material inconsistencies, I just can't take what Wael says at face value. Or did a third party (independent of Dwane Sports) try and fail to resurrect the UWE deal? (Hence all the 'good news by the end of October' that failed to materialise). It's not semantics - the former implies Dwane Sports were actively trying to find a new home for Bristol Rovers. The latter implies Wael is being disingenuous. Why? Who's died to make you so important that you need to see evidence of discussions between 2 parties that you have no (as far as I'm aware) involvement in, other than being a fan? Do you demand to see confidential emails at your place of work, that you wouldn't normally have any access to, just because YOU want to know something? As has been mentioned numerous times on this forum, there are some deluded folk around, who think they should know the ins and outs of everything to do with this club. UTG Why? So I can have some faith. So I can get behind my Football Club and it's current owners. So I can believe we actually do have a future and our owners are serious about securing a new ground. It's not just "me". I am just as unimportant and inconsequential as the next supporter. But the Club needs it's supporters. And given the open hostility displayed at the AGM - they are losing them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 11:02:55 GMT
Thanks 1981. I guess this is where the confusion kicks in. I was told by a Board member that there was no direct contact between Dwane Sports and UWE after the initial deal collapsed 21 months ago. Am I being 'fed' false information? I'm not sure what purpose that would achieve. If Wael is claiming that Dwane Sports tried to resurrect the UWE deal last year - all well and good. I would still like some evidence of this. Sorry, after numerous material inconsistencies, I just can't take what Wael says at face value. Or did a third party (independent of Dwane Sports) try and fail to resurrect the UWE deal? (Hence all the 'good news by the end of October' that failed to materialise). It's not semantics - the former implies Dwane Sports were actively trying to find a new home for Bristol Rovers. The latter implies Wael is being disingenuous. Why? Who's died to make you so important that you need to see evidence of discussions between 2 parties that you have no (as far as I'm aware) involvement in, other than being a fan? Do you demand to see confidential emails at your place of work, that you wouldn't normally have any access to, just because YOU want to know something? As has been mentioned numerous times on this forum, there are some deluded folk around, who think they should know the ins and outs of everything to do with this club. UTG Well, we have no right to know anything as we don't own the business, but that is a two way street because as customers if we feel we are being lied to or that there is no strategy to improve the businesses growth we may not want to give that business our custom and just resort to checking the scores every Saturday. Wael's constant refrain of "because confidentiality" has long worn thin and I for one struggle to believe a word he says. It's all very well him imploring everyone at the end not to believe lies peddled to undermine him but he needs to take responsibility for the fact that these lies only thrive because there is a complete absence of any other positive information coming from the board itself apart from a paper-thin hint that "there'll be jam....some day". He has been peddling this message for years now and it's not good enough any more when, given what facts we customers do have access to, we can see that things are not healthy with the business at all. It really seems to me that Wael is like the captain of the Titanic telling everyone not to panic and that there is no need to make a dash for the life boats because the only reason the boat is listing is that there are too many people stood on one side...
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Post by jungleboogie on Jun 13, 2019 11:16:09 GMT
Why? Who's died to make you so important that you need to see evidence of discussions between 2 parties that you have no (as far as I'm aware) involvement in, other than being a fan? Do you demand to see confidential emails at your place of work, that you wouldn't normally have any access to, just because YOU want to know something? As has been mentioned numerous times on this forum, there are some deluded folk around, who think they should know the ins and outs of everything to do with this club. UTG Why? So I can have some faith. So I can get behind my Football Club and it's current owners. So I can believe we actually do have a future and our owners are serious about securing a new ground. It's not just "me". I am just as unimportant and inconsequential as the next supporter. But the Club needs it's supporters. And given the open hostility displayed at the AGM - they are losing them. That doesn't warrant you being privy to information you've no right to see. As for any hostility, a few big mouths on here, and at the AGM, with their over inflated idea of self importance, is not representative of what most of the fan base think (In my view). Yes, things aren't great, yes communication could be better, and some fans are getting disillusioned with lack of progress, but quite frankly it's laughable at the amount of info some of you believe you are entitled to know.
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Post by RD on Jun 13, 2019 11:30:10 GMT
Actually auditors do attend AGM's so it is unusual for them not too. Utter utter garbage. They might well do - but it is certainly not "unusual" for them not to.
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 13, 2019 11:37:03 GMT
Why? So I can have some faith. So I can get behind my Football Club and it's current owners. So I can believe we actually do have a future and our owners are serious about securing a new ground. It's not just "me". I am just as unimportant and inconsequential as the next supporter. But the Club needs it's supporters. And given the open hostility displayed at the AGM - they are losing them. That doesn't warrant you being privy to information you've no right to see. As for any hostility, a few big mouths on here, and at the AGM, with their over inflated idea of self importance, is not representative of what most of the fan base think (In my view). Yes, things aren't great, yes communication could be better, and some fans are getting disillusioned with lack of progress, but quite frankly it's laughable at the amount of info some of you believe you are entitled to know. Certainly doesn't warrant me being privy to information I have no right to see. It would however seem to be a 'good idea' to share certain information if that could get supporters 'back on side'. I don't know where you sit/stand at the Mem. Where I stand on the Blackthorn Terrace behind the goal supporters are not happy with the owners. I will refrain from using the sort of language they use to describe the Board. I am not "entitled" to anything. But if the Club want supporters turning up in good numbers they are going to have to do a better job in communicating and sharing information. I want to be back on side. I want to believe. But I don't. And it's up to me whether I continue to watch the Gas. Over to you Wael - convince me.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 13, 2019 11:40:28 GMT
Thanks 1981. I guess this is where the confusion kicks in. I was told by a Board member that there was no direct contact between Dwane Sports and UWE after the initial deal collapsed 21 months ago. Am I being 'fed' false information? I'm not sure what purpose that would achieve. If Wael is claiming that Dwane Sports tried to resurrect the UWE deal last year - all well and good. I would still like some evidence of this. Sorry, after numerous material inconsistencies, I just can't take what Wael says at face value. Or did a third party (independent of Dwane Sports) try and fail to resurrect the UWE deal? (Hence all the 'good news by the end of October' that failed to materialise). It's not semantics - the former implies Dwane Sports were actively trying to find a new home for Bristol Rovers. The latter implies Wael is being disingenuous. Well it depends on which director told you that. Also it was being handled by a third party who was part of the original project. Must be Ed Ware then!
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