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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 11:41:20 GMT
That doesn't warrant you being privy to information you've no right to see. As for any hostility, a few big mouths on here, and at the AGM, with their over inflated idea of self importance, is not representative of what most of the fan base think (In my view). Yes, things aren't great, yes communication could be better, and some fans are getting disillusioned with lack of progress, but quite frankly it's laughable at the amount of info some of you believe you are entitled to know. Certainly doesn't warrant me being privy to information I have no right to see. It would however seem to be a 'good idea' to share certain information if that could get supporters 'back on side'. I don't know where you sit/stand at the Mem. Where I stand on the Blackthorn Terrace behind the goal supporters are not happy with the owners. I will refrain from using the sort of language they use to describe the Board. I am not "entitled" to anything. But if the Club want supporters turning up in good numbers they are going to have to do a better job in communicating and sharing information. I want to be back on side. I want to believe. But I don't. And it's up to me whether I continue to watch the Gas. Over to you Wael - convince me. Shout... Will the decent transfer market activity convince you to show up? or is it all about the long term strategy for you? Not criticising, just interested in other peoples reasons for not attending.
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Post by chewbacca on Jun 13, 2019 11:45:10 GMT
Big fan of summer, it adds to the proverbial f**k tonne of nonsense already sluicing around the forums. Can we have another AGM tonight?
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Post by utg12 on Jun 13, 2019 11:45:43 GMT
Why do you seem to believe the few voices who suggest, without evidence, that Hamer is a problem? The problem is that him and Starnes do not get on, and their jobs conflict. You all must have seen something similar in your workplaces at some point??? Doesn't mean either of them is toxic but it certainly is true that they have different approaches and beliefs. Believe it or not but Hamer is the old school one, with principles and respect for people who help the club. This approach may sound nice but modern football ownership doesn't always want that. Starnes is the new school one, more ruthless, drives for profit and wants very little to do with ANY other organisations, be it SC, PC, or even benign associations. Top bantz ?? Simple truth.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2019 11:46:16 GMT
Big fan of summer, it adds to the proverbial f**k tonne of nonsense already sluicing around the forums. Can we have another AGM tonight? Maybe Gaschat should have its own AGM. Once a month.
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Post by chewbacca on Jun 13, 2019 11:47:15 GMT
Big fan of summer, it adds to the proverbial f**k tonne of nonsense already sluicing around the forums. Can we have another AGM tonight? Maybe Gaschat should have its own AGM. Once a month. Did Henni-bury Gas delay the signing off of the accounts? Who knows?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2019 11:48:50 GMT
Maybe Gaschat should have its own AGM. Once a month. Did Henni-bury Gas delay the signing off of the accounts? Who knows? I can't tell you that but I am working very hard behind the scenes to put it right.
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Post by CheshireGas on Jun 13, 2019 11:49:18 GMT
Big fan of summer, it adds to the proverbial f**k tonne of nonsense already sluicing around the forums. Can we have another AGM tonight? Maybe Gaschat should have its own AGM. Once a month. The way some go on you would need to hold one every day Hugo.....I demand, give it to me now or I will post and post and post until I make myself sick.....
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Post by Marshy on Jun 13, 2019 11:49:27 GMT
Big fan of summer, it adds to the proverbial f**k tonne of nonsense already sluicing around the forums. Can we have another AGM tonight? Maybe Gaschat should have its own AGM. Once a month. We have one every day. All Generally Moaning.
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Post by utg12 on Jun 13, 2019 11:51:30 GMT
That doesn't warrant you being privy to information you've no right to see. As for any hostility, a few big mouths on here, and at the AGM, with their over inflated idea of self importance, is not representative of what most of the fan base think (In my view). Yes, things aren't great, yes communication could be better, and some fans are getting disillusioned with lack of progress, but quite frankly it's laughable at the amount of info some of you believe you are entitled to know. Certainly doesn't warrant me being privy to information I have no right to see. It would however seem to be a 'good idea' to share certain information if that could get supporters 'back on side'. I don't know where you sit/stand at the Mem. Where I stand on the Blackthorn Terrace behind the goal supporters are not happy with the owners. I will refrain from using the sort of language they use to describe the Board. I am not "entitled" to anything. But if the Club want supporters turning up in good numbers they are going to have to do a better job in communicating and sharing information. I want to be back on side. I want to believe. But I don't. And it's up to me whether I continue to watch the Gas. Over to you Wael - convince me. This season the huge drop in ST sales will be a very clear indication. I realise it's not all about the board / organisation / infrastructure, but also home results and style if play.
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Post by chewbacca on Jun 13, 2019 11:54:23 GMT
Certainly doesn't warrant me being privy to information I have no right to see. It would however seem to be a 'good idea' to share certain information if that could get supporters 'back on side'. I don't know where you sit/stand at the Mem. Where I stand on the Blackthorn Terrace behind the goal supporters are not happy with the owners. I will refrain from using the sort of language they use to describe the Board. I am not "entitled" to anything. But if the Club want supporters turning up in good numbers they are going to have to do a better job in communicating and sharing information. I want to be back on side. I want to believe. But I don't. And it's up to me whether I continue to watch the Gas. Over to you Wael - convince me. This season the huge drop in ST sales will be a very clear indication. I realise it's not all about the board / organisation / infrastructure, but also home results and style if play. Are you implying Tom's Vanity Project won't work?
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Post by CheshireGas on Jun 13, 2019 11:56:06 GMT
I personally think if the Gas don't hit the ground running and start winning games early it's going to be a long season and gates will start to fall. We are notoriously slow starters recently but I think GC is the sort of person who would have pre season going as soon as possible. I hope it's going to be a good one, but then I say that every season.....
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2019 11:59:31 GMT
Why? Who's died to make you so important that you need to see evidence of discussions between 2 parties that you have no (as far as I'm aware) involvement in, other than being a fan? Do you demand to see confidential emails at your place of work, that you wouldn't normally have any access to, just because YOU want to know something? As has been mentioned numerous times on this forum, there are some deluded folk around, who think they should know the ins and outs of everything to do with this club. UTG Why? So I can have some faith. So I can get behind my Football Club and it's current owners. So I can believe we actually do have a future and our owners are serious about securing a new ground. It's not just "me". I am just as unimportant and inconsequential as the next supporter. But the Club needs it's supporters. And given the open hostility displayed at the AGM - they are losing them. So what is the solution? Realistically no one can force the owners out so surely fans groups have to either blow the lid off the goings on or find a way to engage and work with the current owners using the framework that we currently have. What can fans do to support the club (and owners) that will have a more positive impact on the relationship between both. Isn't everyone fed up with all the fighting and mistrust? I'm sure WAQ would rather have 5000 fans pulling in the same direction than less than 60 at a toxic AGM. I know I would.
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 13, 2019 12:04:21 GMT
Certainly doesn't warrant me being privy to information I have no right to see. It would however seem to be a 'good idea' to share certain information if that could get supporters 'back on side'. I don't know where you sit/stand at the Mem. Where I stand on the Blackthorn Terrace behind the goal supporters are not happy with the owners. I will refrain from using the sort of language they use to describe the Board. I am not "entitled" to anything. But if the Club want supporters turning up in good numbers they are going to have to do a better job in communicating and sharing information. I want to be back on side. I want to believe. But I don't. And it's up to me whether I continue to watch the Gas. Over to you Wael - convince me. Shout... Will the decent transfer market activity convince you to show up? or is it all about the long term strategy for you? Not criticising, just interested in other peoples reasons for not attending. Good question. Good start to the transfer window by GC and hopefully more to come. Success on the field obviously helps. Because it deflects attention away from the fundamental problems the Club faces.
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 13, 2019 12:18:13 GMT
Why? So I can have some faith. So I can get behind my Football Club and it's current owners. So I can believe we actually do have a future and our owners are serious about securing a new ground. It's not just "me". I am just as unimportant and inconsequential as the next supporter. But the Club needs it's supporters. And given the open hostility displayed at the AGM - they are losing them. So what is the solution?Realistically no one can force the owners out so surely fans groups have to either blow the lid off the goings on or find a way to engage and work with the current owners using the framework that we currently have. What can fans do to support the club (and owners) that will have a more positive impact on the relationship between both. Isn't everyone fed up with all the fighting and mistrust? I'm sure WAQ would rather have 5000 fans pulling in the same direction than less than 60 at a toxic AGM. I know I would. Honesty from Wael Al-Qadi would be a good starting point. Let's hear from him. Let's hear some clear communication about "the strategy". That might just heal the rift. The support base is split, that's not healthy. Mind you it's probably 50% couldn't give a f*ck, 25% mistrust them, and 25% give them the benefit of the doubt. I am making these numbers up.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2019 12:38:14 GMT
So what is the solution?Realistically no one can force the owners out so surely fans groups have to either blow the lid off the goings on or find a way to engage and work with the current owners using the framework that we currently have. What can fans do to support the club (and owners) that will have a more positive impact on the relationship between both. Isn't everyone fed up with all the fighting and mistrust? I'm sure WAQ would rather have 5000 fans pulling in the same direction than less than 60 at a toxic AGM. I know I would. Honesty from Wael Al-Qadi would be a good starting point. Let's hear from him. Let's hear some clear communication about "the strategy". That might just heal the rift. The support base is split, that's not healthy. Mind you it's probably 50% couldn't give a f*ck, 25% mistrust them, and 25% give them the benefit of the doubt. I am making these numbers up. I haven't heard any dishonesty from Wael, Gorringe, Starnes or Coughlan to be fair. Yes, communication needs to improve. I accept that. I also agree leadership should come from the top and I don't see that from either camp. Frankly I'm not interested in who makes the first move to heal the rift, but as just a regular fan who should I look to? The board or fans groups? I think you and I are not too far apart. You are a bit doubtful and want good reason to believe. I'm slightly more positive but again I am not stupid enough to think all is right and I want to see good reason that it's all awful. From what I can see the current approach of the Board, SC and PC does not appear to be productive for BRFC so something has to change.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 13, 2019 12:51:42 GMT
So what is the solution?Realistically no one can force the owners out so surely fans groups have to either blow the lid off the goings on or find a way to engage and work with the current owners using the framework that we currently have. What can fans do to support the club (and owners) that will have a more positive impact on the relationship between both. Isn't everyone fed up with all the fighting and mistrust? I'm sure WAQ would rather have 5000 fans pulling in the same direction than less than 60 at a toxic AGM. I know I would. Honesty from Wael Al-Qadi would be a good starting point. Let's hear from him. Let's hear some clear communication about "the strategy". That might just heal the rift. The support base is split, that's not healthy. Mind you it's probably 50% couldn't give a f*ck, 25% mistrust them, and 25% give them the benefit of the doubt. I am making these numbers up. Again, at the AGM, Wael outlined the strategy. The strategy is to land the new stadium, above all else, which will give us much more opportunity commercially and raise the most of the funds to do so from the sale of the mem. He also said that in the meantime his family will fund the club. Now clearly the club are working behind the scenes on something, which is why there is sensitivity around it. Perhaps there are many parties involved. But the stratgy will be completely outlined for you when everything is signed and sealed and until that point, unless you can introduce another major investor, you wil have to sit tight and wait and see, just like the rest of us. I could understand it if Wael said that we arent developing the mem and we arent moving or looking at another site. But he hasn't and there is clearly something bubbling away.
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Post by Langford Gas on Jun 13, 2019 13:16:15 GMT
Well it depends on which director told you that. Also it was being handled by a third party who was part of the original project. Must be Ed Ware then! Or it could be the answer to why the "Chairman" has been around
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 13, 2019 14:47:54 GMT
Honesty from Wael Al-Qadi would be a good starting point. Let's hear from him. Let's hear some clear communication about "the strategy". That might just heal the rift. The support base is split, that's not healthy. Mind you it's probably 50% couldn't give a f*ck, 25% mistrust them, and 25% give them the benefit of the doubt. I am making these numbers up. Again, at the AGM, Wael outlined the strategy. The strategy is to land the new stadium, above all else, which will give us much more opportunity commercially and raise the most of the funds to do so from the sale of the mem. He also said that in the meantime his family will fund the club. Now clearly the club are working behind the scenes on something, which is why there is sensitivity around it. Perhaps there are many parties involved. But the stratgy will be completely outlined for you when everything is signed and sealed and until that point, unless you can introduce another major investor, you wil have to sit tight and wait and see, just like the rest of us. I could understand it if Wael said that we arent developing the mem and we arent moving or looking at another site. But he hasn't and there is clearly something bubbling away. Why's it clear they are working on something, given they've spent the best part of 3 years trying to agree deals with the UWE, have they really had time to move on to another plan already?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 13, 2019 15:02:57 GMT
The UWE plan initially finished years ago, enabling them to have a good scout of the area to see what was possible. The UWE finally finished in early Feb so its highly possible that the site was identified quickly and if you have a mutual meeting of minds on a project then things can happen very quickly.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jun 13, 2019 15:49:57 GMT
Honesty from Wael Al-Qadi would be a good starting point. Let's hear from him. Let's hear some clear communication about "the strategy". That might just heal the rift. The support base is split, that's not healthy. Mind you it's probably 50% couldn't give a f*ck, 25% mistrust them, and 25% give them the benefit of the doubt. I am making these numbers up. Again, at the AGM, Wael outlined the strategy. The strategy is to land the new stadium, above all else, which will give us much more opportunity commercially and raise the most of the funds to do so from the sale of the mem. He also said that in the meantime his family will fund the club. Now clearly the club are working behind the scenes on something, which is why there is sensitivity around it. Perhaps there are many parties involved. But the stratgy will be completely outlined for you when everything is signed and sealed and until that point, unless you can introduce another major investor, you wil have to sit tight and wait and see, just like the rest of us. I could understand it if Wael said that we arent developing the mem and we arent moving or looking at another site. But he hasn't and there is clearly something bubbling away. That sounds the sensible strategy. However, if most of the funds will come from the sale of the Mem, then either the Mem has a greater value than we think or the size of the project will be nowhere as big as UWE. With Shortwood Golf club closing, pity we couldn’t try the ‘Carson’s Road’ area again.
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