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Post by Gassy on Jun 30, 2019 9:56:21 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, I completely agree with that. I’m more surprised he didn’t choose someone better than Charlton. At the time of writing I also didn’t realize that Bowyer renewed his contract in the end, so it’s not as bad as first seemed tbf Suggests either Charlton were the only Championship club to actually offer him a decent contract, or were the only club prepared to guarantee him a starting place. Unless Charlton get new owners this summer they could well spend all season in the bottom 3 and Harrison showed that hardly boosted his career progression. Incidentally if Locks only reason for leaving was to play Championship football why didn't he leave when he was under contract so we could have picked up a transfer fee! I agree with every part of this post.
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Post by madgas on Jun 30, 2019 10:33:53 GMT
Locks is legend.
Cant remember another CB as consistent since the late 90's. Best CB or at least most important CB we've had for 20 odd years.
Personally I think he's moved at the right time. I thought snakey and bodin left a window too early and Elis a whole season. Was probably wrong on bodin.
Good luck to him.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 30, 2019 10:43:14 GMT
Suggests either Charlton were the only Championship club to actually offer him a decent contract, or were the only club prepared to guarantee him a starting place. Unless Charlton get new owners this summer they could well spend all season in the bottom 3 and Harrison showed that hardly boosted his career progression. Incidentally if Locks only reason for leaving was to play Championship football why didn't he leave when he was under contract so we could have picked up a transfer fee! I agree with every part of this post. I don't. You can't compare Charlton and Lockyer to Ipswich and Harrison. Two completely different clubs and players. Why would Locks want us to get a transfer fee when he could instead make a few quid via a signing on fee for himself? Clever move for him personally I would say.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 30, 2019 10:45:00 GMT
I trust you've never sought to better yourself in your career then? You've certainly never improved your posting, it's as nonsensical and idiotic as it has ever been. Not so sure. Tom Lockyer is a really nice fella. He is a good footballer, not a great footballer, not a better centre half than say Andy Tilson, or captain than even Vaughan Jones. You cannot fault the bloke for going elsewhere; however, what is particularly annoying, he claims he is only leaving because he wants to play in the championship, which suggests he thinks Rovers have no chance in being able to go up. Hmm. In that case, GC ought to get his coat. Completely disagree with this, sorry! Charlton are actually "IN" the Championship now, and our chances of getting there during the remainder of Tom's career are significantly less than many other clubs in L1, and goes without saying we have 0% chance of being in the Championship this coming season whereas Charlton have 100% chance of it. Next time you go to the Mem, maybe take a good look around and you'll get a sense for how likely it is we'll get to the Championship and stay there. It's good to have ambition for our club but the scope of my ambition now is to compete at this level until we catch up behind the scenes, then we can realistically make an attempt at becoming a Championship club. For Tom to stay here to get a chance for Championship football I think 99% of people would be telling him he's making a mistake.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 30, 2019 11:23:11 GMT
I agree with every part of this post. I don't. You can't compare Charlton and Lockyer to Ipswich and Harrison. Two completely different clubs and players. Why would Locks want us to get a transfer fee when he could instead make a few quid via a signing on fee for himself? Clever move for him personally I would say. How are they completely different clubs? Charlton are favourites to finish last next season, exactly where Ipswich finished... It will be a step up for TL, as it was for Harrison. Much like Harrison, I don't think TL is ready for Championship football although time will tell. It's a clever move for him, and a dog sh*t move for us. Personally, I support BRFC, not Tom Lockyer so I'd have wanted a transfer fee for him.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 30, 2019 11:28:16 GMT
I don't. You can't compare Charlton and Lockyer to Ipswich and Harrison. Two completely different clubs and players. Why would Locks want us to get a transfer fee when he could instead make a few quid via a signing on fee for himself? Clever move for him personally I would say. How are they completely different clubs? Charlton are favourites to finish last next season, exactly where Ipswich finished... It will be a step up for TL, as it was for Harrison. Much like Harrison, I don't think TL is ready for Championship football although time will tell. It's a clever move for him, and a dog sh*t move for us. Personally, I support BRFC, not Tom Lockyer so I'd have wanted a transfer fee for him. Barnsley are favourites not Charlton actually. And Ipswich finishing bottom and Charlton being favourites (Or not favourites by anyway) are 2 different things. I support Rovers not Lockyer but you can't be funny with him not getting us a transfer fee, I'm sure you would put your own personal circumstances in front of a football club in that position.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 30, 2019 11:50:23 GMT
Yes, whilst I don’t agree with those saying he should have signed a new contract so we got a fee I kind of understand the frustration we all feel that one of our best players leaves at 24 for nothing and moves up. But I see it as Tom, and others, have given us a lot more than a transfer fee. 5 years ago we were staring at non league for what we feared may be a few years. That it didn’t happen was due to the efforts of many players and staff over the past few years, Tom included. And let’s be honest when he or any player saw what happened to DC when he turned down a life changing Leeds contract only to be sacked two and a half years later would have been a cautionary tale for being too loyal. Tom owes us nothing he was good for us and we were good for him. We’re back in League 1 and we’ve had a good five years imo. If in that Summer ‘14 someone said to me where we would be now I would not have believed him and would have been very very happy. He’s moved on so will we. We get behind GC and the players that wear the quarters as we always do. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 12:32:19 GMT
Wasn't the "transfer fee" stuff done to death on the other thread?
For once couldn't we keep this on track, and just wish Tom good luck (unless you wish him ill of course, as is your right).
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Post by Jomo on Jun 30, 2019 12:36:35 GMT
Yes, whilst I don’t agree with those saying he should have signed a new contract so we got a fee I kind of understand the frustration we all feel that one of our best players leaves at 24 for nothing and moves up. But I see it as Tom, and others, have given us a lot more than a transfer fee. 5 years ago we were staring at non league for what we feared may be a few years. That it didn’t happen was due to the efforts of many players and staff over the past few years, Tom included. And let’s be honest when he or any player saw what happened to DC when he turned down a life changing Leeds contract only to be sacked two and a half years later would have been a cautionary tale for being too loyal. Tom owes us nothing he was good for us and we were good for him. We’re back in League 1 and we’ve had a good five years imo. If in that Summer ‘14 someone said to me where we would be now I would not have believed him and would have been very very happy. He’s moved on so will we. We get behind GC and the players that wear the quarters as we always do. UTG! Cracking post wareham, I agree with every word.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 30, 2019 13:08:11 GMT
How are they completely different clubs? Charlton are favourites to finish last next season, exactly where Ipswich finished... It will be a step up for TL, as it was for Harrison. Much like Harrison, I don't think TL is ready for Championship football although time will tell. It's a clever move for him, and a dog sh*t move for us. Personally, I support BRFC, not Tom Lockyer so I'd have wanted a transfer fee for him. Barnsley are favourites not Charlton actually. And Ipswich finishing bottom and Charlton being favourites (Or not favourites by anyway) are 2 different things. I support Rovers not Lockyer but you can't be funny with him not getting us a transfer fee, I'm sure you would put your own personal circumstances in front of a football club in that position. So you're basing your argument on 1 betting site you saw where Barnsley were favourites to finish last, compared to the one I saw where they're predicted to finish last? I can be funny with him all I want, because my interests lie with BRFC & the good of BRFC. I wish Tom well for his future endeavours, however I am frustrated he let his contract run down and left us empty handed on monetary terms. There is nothing wrong with that. Besides, all I ever said here was that I am surprised he chose Charlton, a club in dismay, when he was apparently in talks with "3 or 4 championship clubs". Or are you planning to tell me "you can't be" surprised by that. Or perhaps you get used to telling people what they can & can't be..
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Post by bumble on Jun 30, 2019 13:28:48 GMT
Barnsley are favourites not Charlton actually. And Ipswich finishing bottom and Charlton being favourites (Or not favourites by anyway) are 2 different things. I support Rovers not Lockyer but you can't be funny with him not getting us a transfer fee, I'm sure you would put your own personal circumstances in front of a football club in that position. So you're basing your argument on 1 betting site you saw where Barnsley were favourites to finish last, compared to the one I saw where they're predicted to finish last? I can be funny with him all I want, because my interests lie with BRFC & the good of BRFC. I wish Tom well for his future endeavours, however I am frustrated he let his contract run down and left us empty handed on monetary terms. There is nothing wrong with that. Besides, all I ever said here was that I am surprised he chose Charlton, a club in dismay, when he was apparently in talks with "3 or 4 championship clubs". Or are you planning to tell me "you can't be" surprised by that. Or perhaps you get used to telling people what they can & can't be.. I am sure Tom didn't take the decision on who to sign for lightly and would have been based on lots of factors including salary, contract length, location and discussions about his role in the team. Overall, he must feel like Charlton is the best choice for him overall. I'm not sure why you would presume to know better?
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Post by Gassy on Jun 30, 2019 14:03:14 GMT
So you're basing your argument on 1 betting site you saw where Barnsley were favourites to finish last, compared to the one I saw where they're predicted to finish last? I can be funny with him all I want, because my interests lie with BRFC & the good of BRFC. I wish Tom well for his future endeavours, however I am frustrated he let his contract run down and left us empty handed on monetary terms. There is nothing wrong with that. Besides, all I ever said here was that I am surprised he chose Charlton, a club in dismay, when he was apparently in talks with "3 or 4 championship clubs". Or are you planning to tell me "you can't be" surprised by that. Or perhaps you get used to telling people what they can & can't be.. I am sure Tom didn't take the decision on who to sign for lightly and would have been based on lots of factors including salary, contract length, location and discussions about his role in the team. Overall, he must feel like Charlton is the best choice for him overall. I'm not sure why you would presume to know better? In what way have I presumed to know better? Again - all I said was I’m surprised he signed for Charlton. But I am certainly looking forward to your reply where I have ‘presumed to know better’
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 30, 2019 14:04:49 GMT
Barnsley are favourites not Charlton actually. And Ipswich finishing bottom and Charlton being favourites (Or not favourites by anyway) are 2 different things. I support Rovers not Lockyer but you can't be funny with him not getting us a transfer fee, I'm sure you would put your own personal circumstances in front of a football club in that position. So you're basing your argument on 1 betting site you saw where Barnsley were favourites to finish last, compared to the one I saw where they're predicted to finish last? I can be funny with him all I want, because my interests lie with BRFC & the good of BRFC. I wish Tom well for his future endeavours, however I am frustrated he let his contract run down and left us empty handed on monetary terms. There is nothing wrong with that. Besides, all I ever said here was that I am surprised he chose Charlton, a club in dismay, when he was apparently in talks with "3 or 4 championship clubs". Or are you planning to tell me "you can't be" surprised by that. Or perhaps you get used to telling people what they can & can't be.. www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/to-finish-bottomI used the above oddschecker which every bookmaker on there has Barnsley at shorter odds than Charlton. "Charlton, a club in dismay" that have just been promoted to the championship. I would love to know what that makes us...
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Post by Gassy on Jun 30, 2019 14:10:25 GMT
So you're basing your argument on 1 betting site you saw where Barnsley were favourites to finish last, compared to the one I saw where they're predicted to finish last? I can be funny with him all I want, because my interests lie with BRFC & the good of BRFC. I wish Tom well for his future endeavours, however I am frustrated he let his contract run down and left us empty handed on monetary terms. There is nothing wrong with that. Besides, all I ever said here was that I am surprised he chose Charlton, a club in dismay, when he was apparently in talks with "3 or 4 championship clubs". Or are you planning to tell me "you can't be" surprised by that. Or perhaps you get used to telling people what they can & can't be.. www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/to-finish-bottomI used the above oddschecker which every bookmaker on there has Barnsley at shorter odds than Charlton. "Charlton, a club in dismay" that have just been promoted to the championship. I would love to know what that makes us... As per WilliamHill when I checked it for league odds: 23rd: Barnsley – 22/1 24th: Charlton Athletic – 25/1 Either way, you’re basing your arguement on there being a huge difference between 23rd & 24th. Seriously? I guess you don’t know much about what’s going on at Charlton right now then? Granted they’ve had some good news with Bowyer extending his contract, but I suggest you perhaps chat to some Charlton fans
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Post by bumble on Jun 30, 2019 14:40:44 GMT
I am sure Tom didn't take the decision on who to sign for lightly and would have been based on lots of factors including salary, contract length, location and discussions about his role in the team. Overall, he must feel like Charlton is the best choice for him overall. I'm not sure why you would presume to know better? In what way have I presumed to know better? Again - all I said was I’m surprised he signed for Charlton. But I am certainly looking forward to your reply where I have ‘presumed to know better’ By way of questioning his decision without having any of the information that he had available to him when he made his choice.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 30, 2019 14:49:48 GMT
In what way have I presumed to know better? Again - all I said was I’m surprised he signed for Charlton. But I am certainly looking forward to your reply where I have ‘presumed to know better’ By way of questioning his decision without having any of the information that he had available to him when he made his choice. Firstly, that’s not presuming to know better. Secondly, where did I question his decision? For what feels like the 100th time, I said I’m surprised he chose Charlton. I did not ask why he chose Charlton or suggest that he made a mistake, I said I’m surprised. Either way, neither would mean I presuming to know better. I was surprised Luton won the league last season, am I presuming to know L1 better there as well? I was surprised at the Brexit referendum result too, was I presuming to know better there as well? 😂
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Post by bluejon211151 on Jun 30, 2019 15:41:04 GMT
Yes, whilst I don’t agree with those saying he should have signed a new contract so we got a fee I kind of understand the frustration we all feel that one of our best players leaves at 24 for nothing and moves up. But I see it as Tom, and others, have given us a lot more than a transfer fee. 5 years ago we were staring at non league for what we feared may be a few years. That it didn’t happen was due to the efforts of many players and staff over the past few years, Tom included. And let’s be honest when he or any player saw what happened to DC when he turned down a life changing Leeds contract only to be sacked two and a half years later would have been a cautionary tale for being too loyal. Tom owes us nothing he was good for us and we were good for him. We’re back in League 1 and we’ve had a good five years imo. If in that Summer ‘14 someone said to me where we would be now I would not have believed him and would have been very very happy. He’s moved on so will we. We get behind GC and the players that wear the quarters as we always do. UTG!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 30, 2019 16:07:42 GMT
As per WilliamHill when I checked it for league odds: 23rd: Barnsley – 22/1 24th: Charlton Athletic – 25/1 Either way, you’re basing your arguement on there being a huge difference between 23rd & 24th. Seriously? I guess you don’t know much about what’s going on at Charlton right now then? Granted they’ve had some good news with Bowyer extending his contract, but I suggest you perhaps chat to some Charlton fans 22/1 and 25/1 to finish bottom? Really! That's great odds. Think you've got yourself in a pickle there. William hill are 5/1 for Barnsley to finish bottom and Charlton are 6/1 but carry on your subtle back tracking if you wish.. The odds wasn't the point anyway, you were comparing a team that is one of the favourites to get relegated to a team that has provingly struggled and actually finished bottom last season. 2 different things. I know Charlton haven't been happy with their owners. However I also know they have just been promoted.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 30, 2019 16:39:44 GMT
As per WilliamHill when I checked it for league odds: 23rd: Barnsley – 22/1 24th: Charlton Athletic – 25/1 Either way, you’re basing your arguement on there being a huge difference between 23rd & 24th. Seriously? I guess you don’t know much about what’s going on at Charlton right now then? Granted they’ve had some good news with Bowyer extending his contract, but I suggest you perhaps chat to some Charlton fans 22/1 and 25/1 to finish bottom? Really! That's great odds. Think you've got yourself in a pickle there. William hill are 5/1 for Barnsley to finish bottom and Charlton are 6/1 but carry on your subtle back tracking if you wish.. The odds wasn't the point anyway, you were comparing a team that is one of the favourites to get relegated to a team that has provingly struggled and actually finished bottom last season. 2 different things. I know Charlton haven't been happy with their owners. However I also know they have just been promoted. It was league odds where Charlton had the lowest chance of promotion. But the only comparison to make before a season has started is where teams are predicted to finish, so it’s not that different at all. It’s funny you seem to think a promotion is everything though. Like I said, go ask a Charlton fan how the state of things are at their club.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 30, 2019 16:45:09 GMT
Title of this thread is Good Luck Tom Lockyer not GGMI v Gassy. This place sometimes eh? 😉 UTG!
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