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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 19, 2019 21:35:24 GMT
I'd happily take it, if it means we get a new stadium. Likewise, because a new stadium is essential if we ever want our club to progress. You're absolutely right, but for me it comes back to the beggars can't be choosers thing. If we could choose, I don't think we would build it there. On this side of the river there can't be many worse places, confonded by the fact it's likely to be in the new CAZ
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Post by Gassy on Dec 19, 2019 21:42:02 GMT
I'd happily take it, if it means we get a new stadium. Likewise, because a new stadium is essential if we ever want our club to progress. You're absolutely right, but for me it comes back to the beggars can't be choosers thing. If we could choose, I don't think we would build it there. But how far do you go in saying ‘if we could choose’? Not many stadiums have car parking for thousands of cars & tbh I’m not sure they should.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 19, 2019 22:04:45 GMT
Likewise, because a new stadium is essential if we ever want our club to progress. You're absolutely right, but for me it comes back to the beggars can't be choosers thing. If we could choose, I don't think we would build it there. On this side of the river there can't be many worse places, confonded by the fact it's likely to be in the new CAZ Unless absolutely necessary due to mobility issues etc people need to really start getting used to not using their cars so much. If it did somehow go ahead it would be right by Bristol's main station and the new Metrobus link on the Temple Way roundabout.
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Post by matealotblue on Dec 19, 2019 22:24:12 GMT
On this side of the river there can't be many worse places, confonded by the fact it's likely to be in the new CAZ Unless absolutely necessary due to mobility issues etc people need to really start getting used to not using their cars so much. If it did somehow go ahead it would be right by Bristol's main station and the new Metrobus link on the Temple Way roundabout. Wish I could. Whilst you can’t argue with the basis of what you are saying, living out in the sticks, 50 miles from the Mem, as I do, there is no alternative to the car as Public Transport is next to useless, a bus every 1.5 hours that finishes at 5.30 in the evening and worse on weekends, and a good 15 miles from anything that passes for a train station ( even if I could get there by Public Transport) to get to Bristol. Apart from that it’s easy....🤪 To get people out of cars requires an investment in £’s for the Public Transport infrastructures and an investment in to the hearts and minds of the travelling public to use it. Not sure I see too much of either of those happening at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 22:33:31 GMT
Just one reason why the Fruit Market is a poor location for a football stadium. I appreciate beggars can't be choosers but... I'd happily take it, if it means we get a new stadium. Would you be happy if the only security the club was offered was a 25 year lease?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 19, 2019 22:58:48 GMT
I'd happily take it, if it means we get a new stadium. Would you be happy if the only security the club was offered was a 25 year lease? Hypothetical or have you heard something? 25 years isn't enough in its own right but as always the devil is in the detail. I could accept it if it had safeguards (review of tetms every 25 years, buyout clause, maximum limits on terms, minimum notification to leave).
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Post by swissgas on Dec 20, 2019 1:36:39 GMT
Would you be happy if the only security the club was offered was a 25 year lease? Hypothetical or have you heard something? 25 years isn't enough in its own right but as always the devil is in the detail. I could accept it if it had safeguards (review of tetms every 25 years, buyout clause, maximum limits on terms, minimum notification to leave). Stuart, I enjoyed listening to you and the other Gasheads on Radio Bristol earlier and thought you all came across very well indeed. What Holmes has suggested is something I have also heard and I really do think this Fruit Market Stadium issue is something we, as fans, should not let fade away. When I brought up the subject of Groundshare the other day of course it ruffled a few feathers. I tried to explain what I meant but too many fans seem to have set ideals which they won’t budge from and won’t even discuss rationally. My ideas may not be the right ones but surely we’ve got to have a debate about this and not take the attitude “what’s good enough for Wael is good enough for me”. We Gasheads are a pressure group and we have the power to put across opinions as you three proved with Geoff Twentyman today. I understand it’s easier to talk about the team and the manager than about the business and the finances because there’s an underlying feeling that doing that is in some way showing disrespect to the owners. But I honestly don’t think it is, I think good owners will understand that fans are passionate about the club and want to know what the future holds. So to summarize my Groundshare concept. 1. We know developers want the Mem and we know Hani and his family want to cut their losses but Wael wants to retain a stake. 2. If Wael wants to retain a stake but the Mem has to be sold to repay his family then we need somewhere to play in the short and long terms but we also need cash to fund the business 3. The best way to attract cash from outside sources would be to have a convincing plan in place and for Wael to show his commitment to that plan by reinvesting his share of the Mem sale proceeds into the club as equity. 4. So the steps are : a) Agree a provisional and conditional sale of the Mem to developers b) Agree a provisional groundshare with a suitable local club c). Commission Deloitte or other consultants to draw up a business plan for the club based on leasing the Fruit Market Stadium and using their expertise to determine the minimum lease period necessary for that plan to work d) Go to the market using reputable agents and the comprehensive business plan with the objective of obtaining an investment of circa 19 million in equity for a 76% stake based upon Wael reinvesting 4 million for a 16% stake. (8% held by others) e) With the strength of a company which will be capitalized at 23 million go to the City Council and the Fruit Market Developers and say to them “you want us in, this is what we need to come in, so let’s work together to make it happen”
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Post by gas2 on Dec 20, 2019 2:29:23 GMT
Can anybody remember the bloke who wanted to build a stadium at hicks gate Keynshsm was it
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Post by peterhooper57 on Dec 20, 2019 2:51:45 GMT
I cannot believe this thread still has legs, earlier in the week the latest Waq squeeze, Starnes, was saying the club where not going to develop the field at Almondsbury, the Stadium project was dead, for any player to come in to the club during the transfer window, current squad players would have to go, including Clarke-Harris, bottom line the club has no money, the owner wants to sell = no Fruit Market Stadium. Doh
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Post by swissgas on Dec 20, 2019 2:59:12 GMT
I cannot believe this thread still has legs, earlier in the week the latest Waq squeeze, Starnes, was saying the club where not going to develop the field at Almondsbury, the Stadium project was dead, for any player to come in to the club during the transfer window, current squad players would have to go, including Clarke-Harris, bottom line the club has no money, the owner wants to sell = no Fruit Market Stadium. Doh Keep the faith Peter
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 20, 2019 3:28:19 GMT
Unless absolutely necessary due to mobility issues etc people need to really start getting used to not using their cars so much. If it did somehow go ahead it would be right by Bristol's main station and the new Metrobus link on the Temple Way roundabout. Wish I could. Whilst you can’t argue with the basis of what you are saying, living out in the sticks, 50 miles from the Mem, as I do, there is no alternative to the car as Public Transport is next to useless, a bus every 1.5 hours that finishes at 5.30 in the evening and worse on weekends, and a good 15 miles from anything that passes for a train station ( even if I could get there by Public Transport) to get to Bristol. Apart from that it’s easy....🤪 To get people out of cars requires an investment in £’s for the Public Transport infrastructures and an investment in to the hearts and minds of the travelling public to use it. Not sure I see too much of either of those happening at the moment. I would be amazed if there wasn't a proper park and ride sorted for out of town fans.
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Post by swissgas on Dec 20, 2019 3:33:12 GMT
Wish I could. Whilst you can’t argue with the basis of what you are saying, living out in the sticks, 50 miles from the Mem, as I do, there is no alternative to the car as Public Transport is next to useless, a bus every 1.5 hours that finishes at 5.30 in the evening and worse on weekends, and a good 15 miles from anything that passes for a train station ( even if I could get there by Public Transport) to get to Bristol. Apart from that it’s easy....🤪 To get people out of cars requires an investment in £’s for the Public Transport infrastructures and an investment in to the hearts and minds of the travelling public to use it. Not sure I see too much of either of those happening at the moment. I would be amazed if there wasn't a proper park and ride sorted for out of town fans. Me too, if the Mayor and City Council are behind the project, and they say they are, the onus is on Rovers to restructure as necessary to make this happen. If we want it to ?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 20, 2019 5:41:24 GMT
I cannot believe this thread still has legs, earlier in the week the latest Waq squeeze, Starnes, was saying the club where not going to develop the field at Almondsbury, the Stadium project was dead, for any player to come in to the club during the transfer window, current squad players would have to go, including Clarke-Harris, bottom line the club has no money, the owner wants to sell = no Fruit Market Stadium. Doh Keep the faith Peter Faith is the excuse people use to believe something when they have no good reason to do so.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 20, 2019 6:00:14 GMT
On this side of the river there can't be many worse places, confonded by the fact it's likely to be in the new CAZ Unless absolutely necessary due to mobility issues etc people need to really start getting used to not using their cars so much. If it did somehow go ahead it would be right by Bristol's main station and the new Metrobus link on the Temple Way roundabout. and the much fabled Henbury Loop/Spur taking in some major locations in North Bristol......... Pigs are out flying in formation at the moment.... or is that Santa
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 20, 2019 6:04:49 GMT
I would be amazed if there wasn't a proper park and ride sorted for out of town fans. Me too, if the Mayor and City Council are behind the project, and they say they are, the onus is on Rovers to restructure as necessary to make this happen. If we want it to ? The Mayor is up for re election next year.... just sayin'
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Post by yattongas on Dec 20, 2019 6:17:00 GMT
Keep the faith Peter Faith is the excuse people use to believe something when they have no good reason to do so. Hallelujah, praise the Lord !
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 20, 2019 8:30:10 GMT
Hypothetical or have you heard something? 25 years isn't enough in its own right but as always the devil is in the detail. I could accept it if it had safeguards (review of tetms every 25 years, buyout clause, maximum limits on terms, minimum notification to leave). Stuart, I enjoyed listening to you and the other Gasheads on Radio Bristol earlier and thought you all came across very well indeed. What Holmes has suggested is something I have also heard and I really do think this Fruit Market Stadium issue is something we, as fans, should not let fade away. When I brought up the subject of Groundshare the other day of course it ruffled a few feathers. I tried to explain what I meant but too many fans seem to have set ideals which they won’t budge from and won’t even discuss rationally. My ideas may not be the right ones but surely we’ve got to have a debate about this and not take the attitude “what’s good enough for Wael is good enough for me”. We Gasheads are a pressure group and we have the power to put across opinions as you three proved with Geoff Twentyman today. I understand it’s easier to talk about the team and the manager than about the business and the finances because there’s an underlying feeling that doing that is in some way showing disrespect to the owners. But I honestly don’t think it is, I think good owners will understand that fans are passionate about the club and want to know what the future holds. So to summarize my Groundshare concept. 1. We know developers want the Mem and we know Hani and his family want to cut their losses but Wael wants to retain a stake. 2. If Wael wants to retain a stake but the Mem has to be sold to repay his family then we need somewhere to play in the short and long terms but we also need cash to fund the business 3. The best way to attract cash from outside sources would be to have a convincing plan in place and for Wael to show his commitment to that plan by reinvesting his share of the Mem sale proceeds into the club as equity. 4. So the steps are : a) Agree a provisional and conditional sale of the Mem to developers b) Agree a provisional groundshare with a suitable local club c). Commission Deloitte or other consultants to draw up a business plan for the club based on leasing the Fruit Market Stadium and using their expertise to determine the minimum lease period necessary for that plan to work d) Go to the market using reputable agents and the comprehensive business plan with the objective of obtaining an investment of circa 19 million in equity for a 76% stake based upon Wael reinvesting 4 million for a 16% stake. (8% held by others) e) With the strength of a company which will be capitalized at 23 million go to the City Council and the Fruit Market Developers and say to them “you want us in, this is what we need to come in, so let’s work together to make it happen” Problem is there is no suitable ground to share locally to hold 8,000+ fans, it's a complete non starter as I've no intention of travelling to Swindon which is probably the nearest suitable ground.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 20, 2019 8:33:29 GMT
Wish I could. Whilst you can’t argue with the basis of what you are saying, living out in the sticks, 50 miles from the Mem, as I do, there is no alternative to the car as Public Transport is next to useless, a bus every 1.5 hours that finishes at 5.30 in the evening and worse on weekends, and a good 15 miles from anything that passes for a train station ( even if I could get there by Public Transport) to get to Bristol. Apart from that it’s easy....🤪 To get people out of cars requires an investment in £’s for the Public Transport infrastructures and an investment in to the hearts and minds of the travelling public to use it. Not sure I see too much of either of those happening at the moment. I would be amazed if there wasn't a proper park and ride sorted for out of town fans. No doubt there will be but driving to 10 mins walk away from the Mem is a damn sight better than driving to a Park and Ride at the end of the M32, queuing for a bus, taking a 15 min?, bus ride, then doing it all in reverse, that'll probably add an hour to each game on a good day, plus a fiver extra each to park/ride I could probably get to FGR's new ground when it's built quicker & cheaper and park right outside!!
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Dec 20, 2019 9:43:54 GMT
Would you be happy if the only security the club was offered was a 25 year lease? Hypothetical or have you heard something? 25 years isn't enough in its own right but as always the devil is in the detail. I could accept it if it had safeguards (review of tetms every 25 years, buyout clause, maximum limits on terms, minimum notification to leave). I was just about to ask him the same.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 20, 2019 9:46:11 GMT
I would be amazed if there wasn't a proper park and ride sorted for out of town fans. No doubt there will be but driving to 10 mins walk away from the Mem is a damn sight better than driving to a Park and Ride at the end of the M32, queuing for a bus, taking a 15 min?, bus ride, then doing it all in reverse, that'll probably add an hour to each game on a good day, plus a fiver extra each to park/ride I could probably get to FGR's new ground when it's built quicker & cheaper and park right outside!! Put it this way, we've been very fortunate to have the amount of street parking we do at the Mem. This isn't the norm. Taking a step forward means sometimes making some sacrifices. Don't forget there are options for trains & most likely businesses would offer their car park for match day parking for £5, like many do all over the country (EG, car dealerships etc)
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