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Post by spiess1 on Jul 9, 2020 8:32:41 GMT
AG. So good they named it twice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 8:38:55 GMT
I find it hard to agree with these arguments simply because all of us here and at the Mem on a Saturday are Rovers fans. Guess what, not one of us started supporting Rovers because they are/were successful because they never have been. My parents first took me during one of our successful periods i.e a promotion season, whenever we do well crowds increase and I assume they all don't just stop going. Our issue will be if the 82'ers get promoted anytime soon as can Bristol really support 50,000 football fans, nearly 30,000 at AG and another 20,000 at the AG, when only around half that number have chosen to watch live football in the recent years in Bristol? Does AG now have a 50,000 capacity?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 8:40:49 GMT
My parents first took me during one of our successful periods i.e a promotion season, whenever we do well crowds increase and I assume they all don't just stop going. Our issue will be if the 82'ers get promoted anytime soon as can Bristol really support 50,000 football fans, nearly 30,000 at AG and another 20,000 at the AG, when only around half that number have chosen to watch live football in the recent years in Bristol? Does AG now have a 50,000 capacity? Not only that, there is two of them 🤣😜
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jul 9, 2020 9:56:32 GMT
Does AG now have a 50,000 capacity? Not only that, there is two of them 🤣😜 Nah, one is Ashton Gate and the other is Azteca Gas
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Post by amgas on Jul 9, 2020 10:01:22 GMT
I suspect the answer to that is yes - you only have to look at the numbers we have taken to Wembley to see that the fan base is there. Add to that if we were playing in the next tier we could expect several thousand away fans to come to many games. Look at how fans come out of the woodwork when teams have a bit of success, look at how a team like Cardiff have much bigger attendances when in the top flight ..... I work with loads of football "fans" who don't go to Rovers or City. A bit of success and a decent stadium and it would be easy to encourage the arm chair Liverpool and Man City fans to come to at least some games.
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Post by Marshy on Jul 9, 2020 10:03:29 GMT
I suspect the answer to that is yes - you only have to look at the numbers we have taken to Wembley to see that the fan base is there. Add to that if we were playing in the next tier we could expect several thousand away fans to come to many games. Look at how fans come out of the woodwork when teams have a bit of success, look at how a team like Cardiff have much bigger attendances when in the top flight ..... I work with loads of football "fans" who don't go to Rovers or City. A bit of success and a decent stadiumd and it would be easy to encourage the arm chair Liverpool and Man City fans to come to at least some games. Plastic twats!
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Post by chilly1883 on Jul 9, 2020 10:07:43 GMT
I think, the thing Is with a new ground, everyone wants to see what’s it’s like. You then have to hope, it coincides with a little bit of success on the pitch. If that happens, you can easily attract an extra 5k to our attendances.
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Post by LJG on Jul 9, 2020 10:17:20 GMT
I find it hard to agree with these arguments simply because all of us here and at the Mem on a Saturday are Rovers fans. Guess what, not one of us started supporting Rovers because they are/were successful because they never have been. My parents first took me during one of our successful periods i.e a promotion season, whenever we do well crowds increase and I assume they all don't just stop going. Our issue will be if the 82'ers get promoted anytime soon as can Bristol really support 50,000 football fans, nearly 30,000 at AG and another 20,000 at the AG, when only around half that number have chosen to watch live football in the recent years in Bristol? What's this 30,000 rubbish? City's attendance barely scrapes 21k and only then for the last 2 seasons when they've been in with a shout of going up. In 15/16 it was 15,000. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that even if they were Premier league they would have a higher average attendance than the likes of Southampton, Palace, Fulham, Norwich, Stoke, Swansea and West Brom.
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Post by amgas on Jul 9, 2020 10:19:09 GMT
I also know a lot of casual Rovers fans who take an interest in the scores, go to the odd game. They might have been regular attendees at some point or even had season tickets, but for various reasons don't go week in week out. Decent stadium and success and lots of those could easily become regulars. We were hitting 9K at the Mem in bottom tiers with few away fans, 15K+ week in week out if we hit the second tier is really not that hard.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 9, 2020 11:02:50 GMT
My parents first took me during one of our successful periods i.e a promotion season, whenever we do well crowds increase and I assume they all don't just stop going. Our issue will be if the 82'ers get promoted anytime soon as can Bristol really support 50,000 football fans, nearly 30,000 at AG and another 20,000 at the AG, when only around half that number have chosen to watch live football in the recent years in Bristol? What's this 30,000 rubbish? City's attendance barely scrapes 21k and only then for the last 2 seasons when they've been in with a shout of going up. In 15/16 it was 15,000. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that even if they were Premier league they would have a higher average attendance than the likes of Southampton, Palace, Fulham, Norwich, Stoke, Swansea and West Brom. So what's the easiest, for City increase their attendances by 7K to 28K (I think that's AG's capacity?) for Premiership football, or Rovers to increase theirs by 12/13K to 20K due to just a new ground/possible promotion? Even if City's only went up to 25K ours 15K that's still around 10K extra new football fans to find.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 9, 2020 11:16:10 GMT
People who go to Wembley aren’t as interested in going week in week out as some of us hardcore season ticket holders
X amount are groups going for the day out and largely only go when we go to Wembley Y amount are wives, kids, parents who don’t bother normally but are there for the day out Z amount are ‘floating voters’ who aren’t committed gasheads or city fans who will go to one or the other when they make it to Wembley.
You can’t consider this demand that would necessarily be bought in should we make it to a higher level or get a new stadium.
But if we did have a new stadium you’d get some families who live in the Bristol area but have no ties to either team. The city attendances are bolstered by these, who I’d call floating voters, because they’ve done well over the last few seasons and drawn some big name fixtures.
If we got a new stadium some gasheads who don’t bother because the facilities are terrible would come along. Families who don’t like it at Ashton Gate come along and see what we’re about and could become gasheads for life. In fact, if we get the fruit market location we might even draw some supporters from more remote locations who could easily get here by train.
But if we do the above and we draw in some success under a decent manager, then we can be talking big time. We can bring people in from further afield who want to see the big name clubs and want a day out. Then you hook them in with our marketing.
We have a real USP. We have two, distinct, different, attractive nicknames that can be taken advantage of. We have a distinct kit. We have an identity and a history which may not be pretty but is certainly very interesting. What do they have at Ashton Gate? Their nickname is the Robins - bit like 2 other clubs within 50 miles radius. Whoopdedoo. We can do so much with our identity.
It’s complex but in short we could Nick a few from the reds but we wouldn’t have anything near our Wembley attendances - we could balance things out a bit more towards what it used to be like.
What’s critical is a new stadium and facilities in an easy to reach location with non footballing facilities too - Make it a day out in Bristol with the family. Something for everyone.
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Post by amgas on Jul 9, 2020 11:18:10 GMT
Lets be honest if either team were in the prem they would sell out when the "big" teams were in town.
Even established teams like West Brom don't sell out every week. In the Championship the overall attendance will fluctuate depending on away support, how attractive the opposition is and league position.
If we both end up in the championship 30K for a Bristol Derby might not be enough.
Do I think either City or Rovers will sell out every week with 30k stadiums ? No. Could both teams fill a 20k-30k stadium on a regular basis for the bigger games of course.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jul 9, 2020 11:18:36 GMT
What's this 30,000 rubbish? City's attendance barely scrapes 21k and only then for the last 2 seasons when they've been in with a shout of going up. In 15/16 it was 15,000. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that even if they were Premier league they would have a higher average attendance than the likes of Southampton, Palace, Fulham, Norwich, Stoke, Swansea and West Brom. So what's the easiest, for City increase their attendances by 7K to 28K (I think that's AG's capacity?) for Premiership football, or Rovers to increase theirs by 12/13K to 20K due to just a new ground/possible promotion? Even if City's only went up to 25K ours 15K that's still around 10K extra new football fans to find. That depends if city are still doing well? We all know how quickly they’ll dwindle
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Post by axegas on Jul 9, 2020 11:29:29 GMT
Bit of an aside but when/if we ever build a new stadium, I hope we make season tickets affordable, advertise them around the City and have schemes like buy a season ticket for a less well off supporter or gift tickets to community groups and local schools like Bradford City have done. Having a new stadium is a fantastic opportunity to grow a fanbase and although some of the things I've suggested might lose Rovers some money, it will pay off long term. No reason why we can't get over 10,000 on a regular basis at a new stadium when we're only a few thousand away from that at the mem currently. Unfortunately, the Fruit Market location could mean we don't go anymore. We'll have to see I guess. I know people who would go more regularly should we build it there. Wherever it's built there are going to be people advantaged and disadvantaged by it's location, a new stadium will attract more fans than it loses though 100%.
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Post by baggins on Jul 9, 2020 11:55:32 GMT
Unfortunately, the Fruit Market location could mean we don't go anymore. We'll have to see I guess. I know people who would go more regularly should we build it there. Wherever it's built there are going to be people advantaged and disadvantaged by it's location, a new stadium will attract more fans than it loses though 100%. Appreciate and understand that, and I also know a lot of fans who will like it there, personally I couldn't think of a worse place, but there you go.
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Post by skin01 on Jul 9, 2020 12:22:50 GMT
Football fans are fickle.
If we had a stadium and were top 6 championship we could expect to match the 82'ers crowds.
Both team will sell 25k tickets easily per game in the premier league especially in the first season.
Greater Bristol population is over a million and relatively wealthy.
All we need is a stadium.
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Post by playtowin on Jul 9, 2020 12:34:08 GMT
The fruit market site means one thing. BRFC have no other option but become direct competition with Bristol sports football dept. BCFC 1982 Ltd. The stadium site is city centre located in the same way Ashton gate is. People from all over the city will travelling the same sort of distances to reach each ground. If the club (BRFC) think they can exist as an individual entity not dependent on the other lots success or failure they will get a big shock. A large stadium needs bums on seats so many can pick or choose what seat to sit on red or blue and that may depend on the level of football on display. The fruit market site is a bold statement of we are here to steal your market of fans. Look at how close Nottingham forest and notts county stadiums are. Which one gets the crowds ? I find it hard to agree with these arguments simply because all of us here and at the Mem on a Saturday are Rovers fans. Guess what, not one of us started supporting Rovers because they are/were successful because they never have been. Which is fine if we want a 20-30000 stadium with 7000 in it. It's the new fans. If distance or success was not an issue rovers and city would have the same size crowds...admittedly currently they do...zero !
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Post by baggins on Jul 9, 2020 12:38:14 GMT
Football fans are fickle. If we had a stadium and were top 6 championship we could expect to match the 82'ers crowds. Both team will sell 25k tickets easily per game in the premier league especially in the first season. Greater Bristol population is over a million and relatively wealthy. All we need is a stadium. Relatively wealthy? Not sure 60,000 people could easily afford tickets.
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Post by LJG on Jul 9, 2020 12:48:14 GMT
What's this 30,000 rubbish? City's attendance barely scrapes 21k and only then for the last 2 seasons when they've been in with a shout of going up. In 15/16 it was 15,000. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that even if they were Premier league they would have a higher average attendance than the likes of Southampton, Palace, Fulham, Norwich, Stoke, Swansea and West Brom. So what's the easiest, for City increase their attendances by 7K to 28K (I think that's AG's capacity?) for Premiership football, or Rovers to increase theirs by 12/13K to 20K due to just a new ground/possible promotion? Even if City's only went up to 25K ours 15K that's still around 10K extra new football fans to find. Well last time I checked 21 + 7 doesn't = 30. I think an additional 5,000 on each set of fans is entirely plausible and comparable to historic figures.
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Post by timsburygas on Jul 9, 2020 12:55:05 GMT
Football fans are fickle. If we had a stadium and were top 6 championship we could expect to match the 82'ers crowds. Both team will sell 25k tickets easily per game in the premier league especially in the first season. Greater Bristol population is over a million and relatively wealthy. All we need is a stadium. Relatively wealthy? Not sure 60,000 people could easily afford tickets. That’s the crust of the matter City could attract 30k in the premier league but 90% of them will be the prawn sandwich bridgade paying £80 a ticket. The football fans will be watching us in the championship, a more competitive league, for £30, sell out every week..
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