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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 21:01:30 GMT
Opal and they went bust in 2013. The rebuild would have predated that, where would that have left us do you think? Would we have been liable for the debts in some capacity? Looks like Opal weren't a typical pre pack insolvency and a long running legal case against their bankers ensued. As for Opal, they would have paid up front for the privilege of building on the Mem land with a long lease on the land they built on. Their assets would have been sold off in administration so no there wouldn't have been any losses incurred by BRFC.
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Post by Langford Gas on Feb 5, 2021 22:10:28 GMT
This was posted on the other forum by a poster called gasandproud: “I was one of the two local Gasheads who brought that second scheme that Swiss talks about to Rovers. Both of us are long-standing Gas Heads and in the not too distant future you will likely see details of what may go ahead without Rovers. Most sensible supporters may ask why on earth Rovers wouldn’t be involved. Since the initial ‘very close but no cigar’ moment that Swiss mentions I have tried, tried, tried, tried and tried again to re engage with the club and just meet excuse after excuse to the point it’s unprofessional and quite frankly laughable. There is absolutely no reason for the club not at least to have re engaged in discussions but alas it is not to be and we are now at the point which it probably is too late. I am incredibly frustrated and disappointed (because I am so passionate about our club). I have come off of social media for the fear I say something I regret! Clearly I am not going to go into detail (I can’t) but anyone who knows me knows the lengths we have gone to and the 18 months to two years of hard work we have put in. Those who know me will also know I am not in the business of making something like this up. I have toyed and toyed for months over whether to say anything but I feel at this point supporters do need to know that the club have had at least one credible opportunity to progress with a plan for the future. I suspect (and I can only suspect as I can’t say this factually) that the current board who I believe are salaried individuals wouldn’t necessarily want progress for the club through fear that it may mean their future isn’t so secure. None of them are Gasheads as far as I am aware (so I don’t actually blame them). All of the above aside just think about that set up.... a board full of salaried employees without an objective / unbiased view on the overall situation... How on earth can that be good for the progress of the club? I believe the line used about us / our scheme was a lack of credibility. That is difficult to answer at this stage because I guess the proof of how credible we are / the scheme is will depend on whether it gets over the line. What I can say is that if and when it comes into the public domain we can be judged on that point but the people and stakeholders so far engaged would not be deemed not credible so it is obviously serious enough for other large organisations to be interested! Other than a deep sense of regret on my part that I couldn’t get Rovers involved I still desperately want the club to progress. I have learned a lot personally and it’s fair to say mistakes have also been made on my side as well. Having seen lasts night debacle and looking at the overall mess we are in I just feel a sense of sadness that we are on a seemingly downward spiral yet again.” Thanks, tried searching all kinds of keywords on there but couldn’t actually find anything - always seems to be on a thread going off on a massive tangent. I can confirm that gasandproud is genuine and his post authentic and alludes to a different site than the FM
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Feb 5, 2021 22:34:44 GMT
My preference is, and always has been to redevelop the Mem into a half decent stadium. We can easily fit a 20,000 capacity on that site. Much rather play on Gloucester Rd than on the outskirts or on industrial wasteland almost in shithead territory.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2021 22:52:11 GMT
I don't know, why can't we? Finance, planning, restricted drink licensing laws, having to play at an alternative ground for up to 2 seasons, a better option elsewhere, take your pick as there must be a reason as two BoD's, three if you include the Dunford's, decided it wasn't viable. You're talking absolute rubbish as always. Wael has the finances. We won't have to buy land before we build a stadium, we got given planning for redevelopment before so no reason we won't again, we can build while fans are banned and still play there, rebuilding stand by stand, there are no better options elsewhere, licensing laws are not an issue at all and it was Geoff Dunford's preferred option so there we go.. I've rubbished every single one of your ridiculous counter arguments Are you for real or just a WUM, do you seriously think we could get planning, exchange contracts to build the stadium, appoint builders and then come complete the job before fans return next season?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2021 22:54:05 GMT
My preference is, and always has been to redevelop the Mem into a half decent stadium. We can easily fit a 20,000 capacity on that site. Much rather play on Gloucester Rd than on the outskirts or on industrial wasteland almost in shithead territory. We struggled to get 18,000 capacity before so easily fitting 20,000 is nonsense, plus as the Mayor seems to be favouring the FM site good luck trying to get PP.
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Post by Gasshole on Feb 5, 2021 22:54:09 GMT
Can you share details? It’s like a cryptic crossword on there. This was posted on the other forum by a poster called gasandproud: “I was one of the two local Gasheads who brought that second scheme that Swiss talks about to Rovers. Both of us are long-standing Gas Heads and in the not too distant future you will likely see details of what may go ahead without Rovers. Most sensible supporters may ask why on earth Rovers wouldn’t be involved. Since the initial ‘very close but no cigar’ moment that Swiss mentions I have tried, tried, tried, tried and tried again to re engage with the club and just meet excuse after excuse to the point it’s unprofessional and quite frankly laughable. There is absolutely no reason for the club not at least to have re engaged in discussions but alas it is not to be and we are now at the point which it probably is too late. I am incredibly frustrated and disappointed (because I am so passionate about our club). I have come off of social media for the fear I say something I regret! Clearly I am not going to go into detail (I can’t) but anyone who knows me knows the lengths we have gone to and the 18 months to two years of hard work we have put in. Those who know me will also know I am not in the business of making something like this up. I have toyed and toyed for months over whether to say anything but I feel at this point supporters do need to know that the club have had at least one credible opportunity to progress with a plan for the future. I suspect (and I can only suspect as I can’t say this factually) that the current board who I believe are salaried individuals wouldn’t necessarily want progress for the club through fear that it may mean their future isn’t so secure. None of them are Gasheads as far as I am aware (so I don’t actually blame them). All of the above aside just think about that set up.... a board full of salaried employees without an objective / unbiased view on the overall situation... How on earth can that be good for the progress of the club? I believe the line used about us / our scheme was a lack of credibility. That is difficult to answer at this stage because I guess the proof of how credible we are / the scheme is will depend on whether it gets over the line. What I can say is that if and when it comes into the public domain we can be judged on that point but the people and stakeholders so far engaged would not be deemed not credible so it is obviously serious enough for other large organisations to be interested! Other than a deep sense of regret on my part that I couldn’t get Rovers involved I still desperately want the club to progress. I have learned a lot personally and it’s fair to say mistakes have also been made on my side as well. Having seen lasts night debacle and looking at the overall mess we are in I just feel a sense of sadness that we are on a seemingly downward spiral yet again.” TBH if you could get past the bouncers, Spirals was a good night.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2021 23:00:38 GMT
Thanks, tried searching all kinds of keywords on there but couldn’t actually find anything - always seems to be on a thread going off on a massive tangent. I can confirm that gasandproud is genuine and his post authentic and alludes to a different site than the FM Wael's hardly a salaried director, why haven't they just gone straight to the main man with their plans?
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Post by Langford Gas on Feb 6, 2021 9:34:30 GMT
I can confirm that gasandproud is genuine and his post authentic and alludes to a different site than the FM Wael's hardly a salaried director, why haven't they just gone straight to the main man with their plans? Topper, I don't believe Dave has said Wael is salaried .The devil as always is in the detail and para 2 of his post needs to be digested IMO to go some way to appreciate the complexities
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 6, 2021 9:42:32 GMT
Wael's hardly a salaried director, why haven't they just gone straight to the main man with their plans? Topper, I don't believe Dave has said Wael is salaried .The devil as always is in the detail and para 2 of his post needs to be digested IMO to go some way to appreciate the complexities So the board is actively trying to stop Wael (and anyone else) from building a stadium because they're scared that if we do, they will lose their cushy jobs?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Feb 6, 2021 9:47:26 GMT
My preference is, and always has been to redevelop the Mem into a half decent stadium. We can easily fit a 20,000 capacity on that site. Much rather play on Gloucester Rd than on the outskirts or on industrial wasteland almost in shithead territory. We struggled to get 18,000 capacity before so easily fitting 20,000 is nonsense, plus as the Mayor seems to be favouring the FM site good luck trying to get PP. Fitting a 20,000 capacity stadium on the Mem land is EASY. Last time we got to 18,000 by surrounding it with blocks of flats! Everton have a 40,000 capacity ground on a similar footprint. Anyway, my expectations have been suitably lowered and even if it was an 18,000 stadium on the current site I’d be absolutely ecstatic! It’s not likely to happen though because nothing is likely to happen.
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Post by curlywurly on Feb 6, 2021 10:26:37 GMT
We struggled to get 18,000 capacity before so easily fitting 20,000 is nonsense, plus as the Mayor seems to be favouring the FM site good luck trying to get PP. Fitting a 20,000 capacity stadium on the Mem land is EASY. Last time we got to 18,000 by surrounding it with blocks of flats! Everton have a 40,000 capacity ground on a similar footprint. Anyway, my expectations have been suitably lowered and even if it was an 18,000 stadium on the current site I’d be absolutely ecstatic! It’s not likely to happen though because nothing is likely to happen. I don't know about EASY, but agree that 18,000 or 20,000 capacity would be achievable at the Mem site. The point would be use of the asset on the 13 days a fortnight that we weren't playing football there. The received wisdom is that we couldn't achieve a decent non-matchday income on the Mem site, but I don't think we've tried hard enough to put things to the test yet.
It is likely that income from conferences, large meetings etc. is not going to return to pre-Covid levels in a hurry (we're all Zooming instead) so the business plan for any new stadium will need to be more creative around the use of the space.
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Post by orgasmic on Feb 6, 2021 10:28:34 GMT
Can you share details? It’s like a cryptic crossword on there. This was posted on the other forum by a poster called gasandproud: “I was one of the two local Gasheads who brought that second scheme that Swiss talks about to Rovers. Both of us are long-standing Gas Heads and in the not too distant future you will likely see details of what may go ahead without Rovers. Most sensible supporters may ask why on earth Rovers wouldn’t be involved. Since the initial ‘very close but no cigar’ moment that Swiss mentions I have tried, tried, tried, tried and tried again to re engage with the club and just meet excuse after excuse to the point it’s unprofessional and quite frankly laughable. There is absolutely no reason for the club not at least to have re engaged in discussions but alas it is not to be and we are now at the point which it probably is too late. I am incredibly frustrated and disappointed (because I am so passionate about our club). I have come off of social media for the fear I say something I regret! Clearly I am not going to go into detail (I can’t) but anyone who knows me knows the lengths we have gone to and the 18 months to two years of hard work we have put in. Those who know me will also know I am not in the business of making something like this up. I have toyed and toyed for months over whether to say anything but I feel at this point supporters do need to know that the club have had at least one credible opportunity to progress with a plan for the future. I suspect (and I can only suspect as I can’t say this factually) that the current board who I believe are salaried individuals wouldn’t necessarily want progress for the club through fear that it may mean their future isn’t so secure. None of them are Gasheads as far as I am aware (so I don’t actually blame them). All of the above aside just think about that set up.... a board full of salaried employees without an objective / unbiased view on the overall situation... How on earth can that be good for the progress of the club? I believe the line used about us / our scheme was a lack of credibility. That is difficult to answer at this stage because I guess the proof of how credible we are / the scheme is will depend on whether it gets over the line. What I can say is that if and when it comes into the public domain we can be judged on that point but the people and stakeholders so far engaged would not be deemed not credible so it is obviously serious enough for other large organisations to be interested! Other than a deep sense of regret on my part that I couldn’t get Rovers involved I still desperately want the club to progress. I have learned a lot personally and it’s fair to say mistakes have also been made on my side as well. Having seen lasts night debacle and looking at the overall mess we are in I just feel a sense of sadness that we are on a seemingly downward spiral yet again.” Amazed at how little attention this has got. The poster, who subsequently posts his name, is basically saying that the club are repeatedly dismissing an opportunity to be part of a new large mixed development that could enable a new stadium. If the project goes ahead without Rovers involvement serious questions must be asked whether there is a desire from the owners to progress the best interests of the club or not.
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 6, 2021 10:33:56 GMT
This was posted on the other forum by a poster called gasandproud: “I was one of the two local Gasheads who brought that second scheme that Swiss talks about to Rovers. Both of us are long-standing Gas Heads and in the not too distant future you will likely see details of what may go ahead without Rovers. Most sensible supporters may ask why on earth Rovers wouldn’t be involved. Since the initial ‘very close but no cigar’ moment that Swiss mentions I have tried, tried, tried, tried and tried again to re engage with the club and just meet excuse after excuse to the point it’s unprofessional and quite frankly laughable. There is absolutely no reason for the club not at least to have re engaged in discussions but alas it is not to be and we are now at the point which it probably is too late. I am incredibly frustrated and disappointed (because I am so passionate about our club). I have come off of social media for the fear I say something I regret! Clearly I am not going to go into detail (I can’t) but anyone who knows me knows the lengths we have gone to and the 18 months to two years of hard work we have put in. Those who know me will also know I am not in the business of making something like this up. I have toyed and toyed for months over whether to say anything but I feel at this point supporters do need to know that the club have had at least one credible opportunity to progress with a plan for the future. I suspect (and I can only suspect as I can’t say this factually) that the current board who I believe are salaried individuals wouldn’t necessarily want progress for the club through fear that it may mean their future isn’t so secure. None of them are Gasheads as far as I am aware (so I don’t actually blame them). All of the above aside just think about that set up.... a board full of salaried employees without an objective / unbiased view on the overall situation... How on earth can that be good for the progress of the club? I believe the line used about us / our scheme was a lack of credibility. That is difficult to answer at this stage because I guess the proof of how credible we are / the scheme is will depend on whether it gets over the line. What I can say is that if and when it comes into the public domain we can be judged on that point but the people and stakeholders so far engaged would not be deemed not credible so it is obviously serious enough for other large organisations to be interested! Other than a deep sense of regret on my part that I couldn’t get Rovers involved I still desperately want the club to progress. I have learned a lot personally and it’s fair to say mistakes have also been made on my side as well. Having seen lasts night debacle and looking at the overall mess we are in I just feel a sense of sadness that we are on a seemingly downward spiral yet again.” Amazed at how little attention this has got. The poster, who subsequently posts his name, is basically saying that the club are repeatedly dismissing an opportunity to be part of a new large mixed development that could enable a new stadium. If the project goes ahead without Rovers involvement serious questions must be asked whether there is a desire from the owners to progress the best interests of the club or not. 1) We don’t even know if it’s true 2) We don’t know the terms. One rumour I heard about us leasing a potential stadium at the fruit market site, was that they wanted a high price for the lease. That Wael didn’t think it was a good idea and that he would only sell us, if the buyers had a good plan. Don’t want a Coventry situation where the rent is too high. Not sure if what I was told was true.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 6, 2021 10:42:13 GMT
This was posted on the other forum by a poster called gasandproud: “I was one of the two local Gasheads who brought that second scheme that Swiss talks about to Rovers. Both of us are long-standing Gas Heads and in the not too distant future you will likely see details of what may go ahead without Rovers. Most sensible supporters may ask why on earth Rovers wouldn’t be involved. Since the initial ‘very close but no cigar’ moment that Swiss mentions I have tried, tried, tried, tried and tried again to re engage with the club and just meet excuse after excuse to the point it’s unprofessional and quite frankly laughable. There is absolutely no reason for the club not at least to have re engaged in discussions but alas it is not to be and we are now at the point which it probably is too late. I am incredibly frustrated and disappointed (because I am so passionate about our club). I have come off of social media for the fear I say something I regret! Clearly I am not going to go into detail (I can’t) but anyone who knows me knows the lengths we have gone to and the 18 months to two years of hard work we have put in. Those who know me will also know I am not in the business of making something like this up. I have toyed and toyed for months over whether to say anything but I feel at this point supporters do need to know that the club have had at least one credible opportunity to progress with a plan for the future. I suspect (and I can only suspect as I can’t say this factually) that the current board who I believe are salaried individuals wouldn’t necessarily want progress for the club through fear that it may mean their future isn’t so secure. None of them are Gasheads as far as I am aware (so I don’t actually blame them). All of the above aside just think about that set up.... a board full of salaried employees without an objective / unbiased view on the overall situation... How on earth can that be good for the progress of the club? I believe the line used about us / our scheme was a lack of credibility. That is difficult to answer at this stage because I guess the proof of how credible we are / the scheme is will depend on whether it gets over the line. What I can say is that if and when it comes into the public domain we can be judged on that point but the people and stakeholders so far engaged would not be deemed not credible so it is obviously serious enough for other large organisations to be interested! Other than a deep sense of regret on my part that I couldn’t get Rovers involved I still desperately want the club to progress. I have learned a lot personally and it’s fair to say mistakes have also been made on my side as well. Having seen lasts night debacle and looking at the overall mess we are in I just feel a sense of sadness that we are on a seemingly downward spiral yet again.” Amazed at how little attention this has got. The poster, who subsequently posts his name, is basically saying that the club are repeatedly dismissing an opportunity to be part of a new large mixed development that could enable a new stadium. If the project goes ahead without Rovers involvement serious questions must be asked whether there is a desire from the owners to progress the best interests of the club or not. A quick look on google and David Townsend ( if it’s the same guy ?) is part of www.escapeanddiscover.co.uk specialists in luxury holiday homes. Who knows wether this a good deal or was a good deal for the Gas or a good deal for this chap and his company 🤷♂️
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Post by dave1883gas on Feb 6, 2021 11:01:41 GMT
This is my first post on here and apologies that I have lifted it from the other forum but given this has snowballed I wanted to say something on here too as the last thing I wanted was for people to argue over something I posted elsewhere!
Ok what started as a simple post has prompted more questions than I thought! I was simply posting to back up what others had said about options that have been open to the club. We are now where we are and I can’t and won’t go into details about the wider scheme. I wish I could as my life would be much easier but hopefully the fact I have put my name on here provides some comfort that I’m not an attention seeker / pretend ITK. The bottom line is the further time passes the less likely it becomes that Rovers can be involved (that is a fact and not an intended bargaining tool). I don’t have any kind of platform to speak from other than on here but having considered the situation carefully over the last 24 hours i think it’s best to look at a way forward rather than dwell on where we have been and my opinions on why we haven’t got any progress. The club know who I am and have a good knowledge of what we are trying to achieve. Its very exciting and as a long standing and very passionate Gas Head I could not rest easy knowing that I didn’t do absolutely everything in my power to try and include Bristol Rovers in the wider scheme. My passion for Bristol Rovers often gets the better of me and in hindsight putting my name on a public forum was maybe not the shrewdest move but sometimes as I said my passion gets the better of me. This has to be my last post otherwise the situation will just snowball with questions that I can’t answer however I hope my decision to put my name to this results in a positive way forward. So come on Rovers, re engage with me and we can see if there is a way forward. If not that’s fine but le
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Post by dave1883gas on Feb 6, 2021 11:05:02 GMT
Should have ended my last post:
Let’s at least see UTG.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 6, 2021 11:08:00 GMT
Well done for trying and fronting up on here 👏
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Feb 6, 2021 12:17:16 GMT
This is my first post on here and apologies that I have lifted it from the other forum but given this has snowballed I wanted to say something on here too as the last thing I wanted was for people to argue over something I posted elsewhere! Ok what started as a simple post has prompted more questions than I thought! I was simply posting to back up what others had said about options that have been open to the club. We are now where we are and I can’t and won’t go into details about the wider scheme. I wish I could as my life would be much easier but hopefully the fact I have put my name on here provides some comfort that I’m not an attention seeker / pretend ITK. The bottom line is the further time passes the less likely it becomes that Rovers can be involved (that is a fact and not an intended bargaining tool). I don’t have any kind of platform to speak from other than on here but having considered the situation carefully over the last 24 hours i think it’s best to look at a way forward rather than dwell on where we have been and my opinions on why we haven’t got any progress. The club know who I am and have a good knowledge of what we are trying to achieve. Its very exciting and as a long standing and very passionate Gas Head I could not rest easy knowing that I didn’t do absolutely everything in my power to try and include Bristol Rovers in the wider scheme. My passion for Bristol Rovers often gets the better of me and in hindsight putting my name on a public forum was maybe not the shrewdest move but sometimes as I said my passion gets the better of me. This has to be my last post otherwise the situation will just snowball with questions that I can’t answer however I hope my decision to put my name to this results in a positive way forward. So come on Rovers, re engage with me and we can see if there is a way forward. If not that’s fine but le Thank you for posting Dave. I’m sure everyone on here like you wants the best for Bristol Rovers, I think some people have trouble differentiating between the FC and the owners of the FC and think that their best interests must be the same. I think the owner of the FC definitely sees the difference between the two and that’s why no progress has been made on any scheme so far. Good for you for trying.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Feb 6, 2021 12:38:54 GMT
This is my first post on here and apologies that I have lifted it from the other forum but given this has snowballed I wanted to say something on here too as the last thing I wanted was for people to argue over something I posted elsewhere! Ok what started as a simple post has prompted more questions than I thought! I was simply posting to back up what others had said about options that have been open to the club. We are now where we are and I can’t and won’t go into details about the wider scheme. I wish I could as my life would be much easier but hopefully the fact I have put my name on here provides some comfort that I’m not an attention seeker / pretend ITK. The bottom line is the further time passes the less likely it becomes that Rovers can be involved (that is a fact and not an intended bargaining tool). I don’t have any kind of platform to speak from other than on here but having considered the situation carefully over the last 24 hours i think it’s best to look at a way forward rather than dwell on where we have been and my opinions on why we haven’t got any progress. The club know who I am and have a good knowledge of what we are trying to achieve. Its very exciting and as a long standing and very passionate Gas Head I could not rest easy knowing that I didn’t do absolutely everything in my power to try and include Bristol Rovers in the wider scheme. My passion for Bristol Rovers often gets the better of me and in hindsight putting my name on a public forum was maybe not the shrewdest move but sometimes as I said my passion gets the better of me. This has to be my last post otherwise the situation will just snowball with questions that I can’t answer however I hope my decision to put my name to this results in a positive way forward. So come on Rovers, re engage with me and we can see if there is a way forward. If not that’s fine but le Thank you for posting Dave. I’m sure everyone on here like you wants the best for Bristol Rovers, I think some people have trouble differentiating between the FC and the owners of the FC and think that their best interests must be the same. I think the owner of the FC definitely sees the difference between the two and that’s why no progress has been made on any scheme so far. Good for you for trying. How can you make that comment. Based upon what? Dave's idea may be great, it may not be, but you cannot just assume, because they have not progressed it they do not have the best interests of the club at heart. They may have just decided its a bad investment. Unless you have information to prove the contrary we do not know.
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Post by playtowin on Feb 6, 2021 12:40:47 GMT
In reference to rovers this century. League 1 League 2 Conference.
What ever type of deal or size stadium. Could rovers afford the rent or running costs of proposed stadium after 2 seasons in the conference.
Its not a place we want to go and hopefully will not happen again. But ignoring a worst case scenario is dangerous.
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