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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 4, 2019 9:10:53 GMT
the amount of times, I’ve got excited “about stadiums “ . Has turned me into the most pessimistic person ever!! Haven’t we all, but that’s part of being a gashead, but maybe just maybe this is where it all changes for us Maybe but at least if Weal, or whoever is behind the development, had released some plans and how it was going to be funded. We would have felt more confident it was actually going to be built this time. Not sure any Gashead will now be sat at home this morning content they'll be sat watching us in a new stadium in 2 to 3 years? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 9:13:15 GMT
Haven’t we all, but that’s part of being a gashead, but maybe just maybe this is where it all changes for us Maybe but at least if Weal, or whoever is behind the development, had released some plans and how it was going to be funded. We would have felt more confident it was actually going to be built this time. Not sure any Gashead will now be sat at home this morning content they'll be sat watching us in a new stadium in 2 to 3 years? I am confident, this site has stadium written all over it. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 4, 2019 9:15:02 GMT
That land is a 4.2 acre site more than big enough for a car park But how much is the hotel, if it's stand alone development, and cinema etc going to take up on the site? As far as clearing the site the other poster mentions that's surely the present owner's problem not ours? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 4, 2019 9:16:37 GMT
Maybe but at least if Weal, or whoever is behind the development, had released some plans and how it was going to be funded. We would have felt more confident it was actually going to be built this time. Not sure any Gashead will now be sat at home this morning content they'll be sat watching us in a new stadium in 2 to 3 years? I am confident, this site has stadium written all over it. So did the Mem (redevelopment) once and the UWE, let's hope we see some actual plans soon now that Wael's gone public |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 9:16:54 GMT
That land is a 4.2 acre site more than big enough for a car park But how much is the hotel, if it's stand alone development, and cinema etc going to take up on the site? As far as clearing the site the other poster mentions that's surely the present owner's problem not ours? Why would the seller clear the site for us? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 9:24:36 GMT
I am confident, this site has stadium written all over it. So did the Mem (redevelopment) once and the UWE, let's hope we see some actual plans soon now that Wael's gone public |
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Post by Gassy on Aug 4, 2019 9:26:50 GMT
Attachment DeletedOk so here is a more accurate fitting of the current Mem (without parking) to the size of the fruit market. Roughly the dimensions are: 170m -------------> 134m l l
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Aug 4, 2019 9:30:27 GMT
Supporters come from all over the place so location will benefit some but not others. Public transport - whether we like it or not - will be the way forward.
Having a stadium very close to a major transport hub in Bristol Temple Meads might keep the nimbys/environmentalists happy.
In an ideal world you'd get to 'the fruit bowl' via train from your local station.
With weekly/monthly/annual tickets for trains already available someone must liaise with the train operators for a 23 return journey ticket. Or discounted travel on production of match ticket.
Sorry, thinking ahead there
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Post by Thatslife on Aug 4, 2019 9:40:10 GMT
As a Gashead I am overjoyed by the news.........however I was wondering how a 20,000 crowd with their associated transport means, fits into BCC attempt to "clean up the air in Bristol. Car park or no car park this must increase air polution.
Annoying thing is, that whilst accepting the good news, I dont think I could have picked a worse place to build a stadium. Most clubs / councils like to move football grounds out of the city centre, not build one right in it!
I know I have harped on about building a stadium in Severnside (not to be confused with Avonmouth) where there are thousands of acres for development land available, which by the way, most are still inside BCC boundry.
If you drive along the M49 you will see land being developed, the new massive Amazon building et etc.
If the new stadium is built on the fruit market I believe after a couple of seasons there it will fall into the catagory of "it was a good idea at the time"
Having been a gashead for 60 years or so, I, like many others have witnessed various schemes for a new ground being considered and rejected for various reasons, I am of the opinion the the St Phillips site is the most inappropiate site of them all.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Aug 4, 2019 9:41:03 GMT
Anyone know what the difference in land size is between the mem and fruit market. Google maps shows it to look like a very similar plot just a different shape. Would have thought it not big enough if wael wants more than just a stadium on site? There isn’t much difference in size of land plot but what you don’t have that the Mem does is an undulating land geometry surrounded by residential houses which limits what you can do in terms of height for stands and light entry, location in terms of what is viable for the area and of course opposition from NIMBYs that just don’t want anything built on that site. That’s where the real advantage lies. If NIMBYs don’t want anything built on the Mem and win the day we won’t have the money to build at the Fruit Market or anywhere else will we ! Unless of course there is an elaborate plan for funding which won’t involve the Mem being turned into high density housing there is going to be a lot of NIMBY involvement that will play out before this happens. I’d be happier if the club or whoever owns or is going to own the club to use money from developing other sites (like the Fruit Market and the Colony) to rebuild the Mem. We could fit a very decent stadium on our current site as well as facilitating greater ongoing commercial income. |
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Post by Gassy on Aug 4, 2019 9:43:03 GMT
For fun, when I heard about the fruit market I wanted to see what could be fitted in roughly. The 'project' isn't finished, the seating corners need to be fixed so there aren't lines & the outside, shops & bars are mostly not even created yet. Obviously I'm not an architect &. it's not a real reflection, but I was curious to see what could be fitted within reason. The stadium is about 22,500 - the 3 tiered stand is only the size of the south stand at each level, as an example. It looked bigger than it is. I can only post 3 files per post, but there you'll see why tiers have to go high, rather than UWE which was 1 tier and a low seat height Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment Deleted |
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Post by Gassy on Aug 4, 2019 9:44:05 GMT
Would have been more space if I shifted everything slightly to the right, but you can see it's pretty tight. I'm sure an architect would do 10000000000x better though Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 4, 2019 9:50:47 GMT
But how much is the hotel, if it's stand alone development, and cinema etc going to take up on the site? As far as clearing the site the other poster mentions that's surely the present owner's problem not ours? Why would the seller clear the site for us? If not it will be built into the land value, I'm sure the Mem site value will have to take into consideration the stadium has to be demolished, compared to the green fields of the Civil Service site. Although if a deal has been agreed in principle then that doesn't seem to be an issue. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Aug 4, 2019 9:54:28 GMT
For fun, when I heard about the fruit market I wanted to see what could be fitted in roughly. The 'project' isn't finished, the seating corners need to be fixed so there aren't lines & the outside, shops & bars are mostly not even created yet. Obviously I'm not an architect &. it's not a real reflection, but I was curious to see what could be fitted within reason. The stadium is about 22,500 - the 3 tiered stand is only the size of the south stand at each level, as an example. It looked bigger than it is. I can only post 3 files per post, but there you'll see why tiers have to go high, rather than UWE which was 1 tier and a low seat height View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentLove the look of this, send it over to Wael! |
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 4, 2019 9:55:04 GMT
For fun, when I heard about the fruit market I wanted to see what could be fitted in roughly. The 'project' isn't finished, the seating corners need to be fixed so there aren't lines & the outside, shops & bars are mostly not even created yet. Obviously I'm not an architect &. it's not a real reflection, but I was curious to see what could be fitted within reason. The stadium is about 22,500 - the 3 tiered stand is only the size of the south stand at each level, as an example. It looked bigger than it is. I can only post 3 files per post, but there you'll see why tiers have to go high, rather than UWE which was 1 tier and a low seat height When can you start again Mr cunnah 😂 to be fair looks good , good skills |
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Post by tommym9 on Aug 4, 2019 9:55:31 GMT
As a Gashead I am overjoyed by the news.........however I was wondering how a 20,000 crowd with their associated transport means, fits into BCC attempt to "clean up the air in Bristol. Car park or no car park this must increase air polution. Annoying thing is, that whilst accepting the good news, I dont think I could have picked a worse place to build a stadium. Most clubs / councils like to move football grounds out of the city centre, not build one right in it! I know I have harped on about building a stadium in Severnside (not to be confused with Avonmouth) where there are thousands of acres for development land available, which by the way, most are still inside BCC boundry. If you drive along the M49 you will see land being developed, the new massive Amazon building et etc. If the new stadium is built on the fruit market I believe after a couple of seasons there it will fall into the catagory of "it was a good idea at the time" Having been a gashead for 60 years or so, I, like many others have witnessed various schemes for a new ground being considered and rejected for various reasons, I am of the opinion the the St Phillips site is the most inappropiate site of them all. Currently lots of people drive to the Mem as there is residential parking all around. If the majority of those people get the bus or train then less cars = less pollution = cleaner air It's not rocket science |
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Post by Congas on Aug 4, 2019 10:02:46 GMT
There isn’t much difference in size of land plot but what you don’t have that the Mem does is an undulating land geometry surrounded by residential houses which limits what you can do in terms of height for stands and light entry, location in terms of what is viable for the area and of course opposition from NIMBYs that just don’t want anything built on that site. That’s where the real advantage lies. If NIMBYs don’t want anything built on the Mem and win the day we won’t have the money to build at the Fruit Market or anywhere else will we ! Unless of course there is an elaborate plan for funding which won’t involve the Mem being turned into high density housing there is going to be a lot of NIMBY involvement that will play out before this happens. I’d be happier if the club or whoever owns or is going to own the club to use money from developing other sites (like the Fruit Market and the Colony) to rebuild the Mem. We could fit a very decent stadium on our current site as well as facilitating greater ongoing commercial income. Wael said the build wasn't dependent on selling the Mem but the training ground was. |
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Post by Jomo on Aug 4, 2019 10:03:42 GMT
As a Gashead I am overjoyed by the news.........however I was wondering how a 20,000 crowd with their associated transport means, fits into BCC attempt to "clean up the air in Bristol. Car park or no car park this must increase air polution. Annoying thing is, that whilst accepting the good news, I dont think I could have picked a worse place to build a stadium. Most clubs / councils like to move football grounds out of the city centre, not build one right in it! I know I have harped on about building a stadium in Severnside (not to be confused with Avonmouth) where there are thousands of acres for development land available, which by the way, most are still inside BCC boundry. If you drive along the M49 you will see land being developed, the new massive Amazon building et etc. If the new stadium is built on the fruit market I believe after a couple of seasons there it will fall into the catagory of "it was a good idea at the time" Having been a gashead for 60 years or so, I, like many others have witnessed various schemes for a new ground being considered and rejected for various reasons, I am of the opinion the the St Phillips site is the most inappropiate site of them all. As someone who knows very little about this sort of thing over and above the basics of parking/nearby facilities and amenities, I'd be really interested to hear more on your reasoning for this being the most inappropriate site. I'm not disagreeing with you by the way, I'm genuinely interested as I'd like to understand better myself whether this site is a good idea or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 10:04:35 GMT
Would have been more space if I shifted everything slightly to the right, but you can see it's pretty tight. I'm sure an architect would do 10000000000x better though View AttachmentView Attachment Great effort Gassy 👍🏻 How do you propose to deal with the issue of the East to West rotation of the Sun? Great for the groundsman not so great for the keeper at the East end. Ooooh just realised we will have an East end lol. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 4, 2019 10:05:22 GMT
That land is a 4.2 acre site more than big enough for a car park But how much is the hotel, if it's stand alone development, and cinema etc going to take up on the site? As far as clearing the site the other poster mentions that's surely the present owner's problem not ours? Is it definitely going to right next to it?? A lot of clubs do it elsewhere. If there is more free land, within a few miles, it could be done somewhere else. |
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