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Post by rememberhalifax on Apr 9, 2023 7:55:51 GMT
Well i don't pretend to know much about these latest plans but folk seem to be excited about the news, fair enough, hope our dreams finally do come true, still seems along way off so not getting carried away yet!
I reckon we all have our preferred location for any new stadium, personally it is in the area of town we are at the moment and i was very disappointed that for whatever reason Filton airdrome never really surfaced as an option, but there we go.
Of course it would not matter where the stadium was IF Bristol had a modern efficient mass transport system like Manchester for example and most other major cities but once again as is the case with other components which put cities on the map (e.g. Arenas)Bristol falls short, frustrating but there you go, i suppose if we all get on our bikes Bristol is well served by cycle paths, many on old railway lines which probably lead to T.M eventually ! Can you ride Tandem!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 9, 2023 9:24:53 GMT
There you go ! We agree! We lose all the points about community and heritage for the vision of your post. I don’t think we’ll lose heritage, we’ve not had a proper home for nearly 40 years and still managed to keep our identity along the way. Absolutely agree! Great point. A home. Identity. Important entwined concept. Strange thing is, when I bring this up on other threads (Twerton years and Eastville) and lament the folk that helped get us through those times, some of the replies are less than supportive. We should never forget where we came from, and if this project is successful just don't lose what we already have in a fanbase, community status and local support. |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 9, 2023 9:34:50 GMT
Well i don't pretend to know much about these latest plans but folk seem to be excited about the news, fair enough, hope our dreams finally do come true, still seems along way off so not getting carried away yet! I reckon we all have our preferred location for any new stadium, personally it is in the area of town we are at the moment and i was very disappointed that for whatever reason Filton airdrome never really surfaced as an option, but there we go. Of course it would not matter where the stadium was IF Bristol had a modern efficient mass transport system like Manchester for example and most other major cities but once again as is the case with other components which put cities on the map (e.g. Arenas)Bristol falls short, frustrating but there you go, i suppose if we all get on our bikes Bristol is well served by cycle paths, many on old railway lines which probably lead to T.M eventually ! Can you ride Tandem! Bristol infrastructure compared to most large UK cities is poor as it does seem to specialise in prevarication on major Transport project or projects in general. Tram system a great example. Bristol’s dilly dallying, Nottingham’s gain. Great place to live in-spite of the council. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 9, 2023 9:38:27 GMT
Well i don't pretend to know much about these latest plans but folk seem to be excited about the news, fair enough, hope our dreams finally do come true, still seems along way off so not getting carried away yet! I reckon we all have our preferred location for any new stadium, personally it is in the area of town we are at the moment and i was very disappointed that for whatever reason Filton airdrome never really surfaced as an option, but there we go. Of course it would not matter where the stadium was IF Bristol had a modern efficient mass transport system like Manchester for example and most other major cities but once again as is the case with other components which put cities on the map (e.g. Arenas)Bristol falls short, frustrating but there you go, i suppose if we all get on our bikes Bristol is well served by cycle paths, many on old railway lines which probably lead to T.M eventually ! Can you ride Tandem! Bristol infrastructure compared to most large UK cities is poor as it does seem to specialise in prevarication on major Transport project or projects in general. Tram system a great example. Bristol’s dilly dallying, Nottingham’s gain. Great place to live in-spite of the council. The problem with the tram was cross border politics (The Mall vs Broadmead terminus, coupled with the option to use the money for services which Bristol did iirc). Hopefully the introduction of WECA will help with the wider infrastructure. |
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Post by playtowin on Apr 9, 2023 9:56:22 GMT
Not for the first time, I'm gonna swim slightly against the stream here. Whilst I think if this gets to fruition (!) it'll be a remarkable piece in the club's jigsaw history and no doubt (if managed well) will boast a huge potential for the club, I will be sad to leave the Mem. It's as close to our heartland of Eastville and we are symbiant with the local community of businesses and residents alike. We are a true community club. Many walk to and from the Mem on matchday and we have established a home rather than abode not seen since 80s. I understand the ambition to improve, to sustain the club in a more Monday to Friday basis, but I fear we may lose something along the way that makes us unique and GasHead characteristic for something more sterile and bland. I agree with all the points about being part of the community in North Bristol but see the situation much differently. Moving to the centre gives us a unique opportunity to do what neither Bristol club has done before and become THE club that represents Bristol as a whole. It’ll be the start of a new era for the club. It may see more of a switch to east and west Bristol as both FM and trashton are opposite ends of the Avon as it passes through the city. As to the Mem is in our spiritual home ? Its that much further away for the fishponds,kingswood,redfield,easton etc fans than eastville was. Eastville will always be the home of Rovers ,twerton and the mem are stop offs on our journey to our future longterm big capacity stadium. Twerton was always the home of Bath City and the Mem the home of Bristol Rugby club. My ideal scenario would see Rovers move to their own new big stadium and the Mem rebuilt as home for Bristol Rugby again. |
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Post by keygas on Apr 9, 2023 10:03:56 GMT
Let’s hope it doesn’t take Wael too long to finalise the agreement.
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Post by playtowin on Apr 9, 2023 10:05:15 GMT
Just can't see the Fruit Market stadium would be larger than the one at Ashton, not when there is going to be so much building going on at the site. It will be a smaller capacity than ashton gate. Derby county had the option to make Pride park much bigger but they decided a smaller (!) Capacity that ensured a packed ground and better atmosphere was much better than having acres of empty seats at times. The key is to have the flexibility to increase capacity if required in the future. 20,000 including upto 3000 away fans will be about perfect. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 9, 2023 10:09:20 GMT
I agree with all the points about being part of the community in North Bristol but see the situation much differently. Moving to the centre gives us a unique opportunity to do what neither Bristol club has done before and become THE club that represents Bristol as a whole. It’ll be the start of a new era for the club. It may see more of a switch to east and west Bristol as both FM and trashton are opposite ends of the Avon as it passes through the city. As to the Mem is in our spiritual home ? Its that much further away for the fishponds,kingswood,redfield,easton etc fans than eastville was. Eastville will always be the home of Rovers ,twerton and the mem are stop offs on our journey to our future longterm big capacity stadium. Twerton was always the home of Bath City and the Mem the home of Bristol Rugby club. My ideal scenario would see Rovers move to their own new big stadium and the Mem rebuilt as home for Bristol Rugby again. I didn't say Mem was spiritual home, I said it was close to our heartland. When we moved out of Eastville in '86, the Mem guys and gals didn't want us! It was only when rugby turned professional and Bristol were struggling we then became an option for them to ground share. But for the generations that can only remember the Mem, it will feel like a spiritual home. Totally agree with Eastville comments, and as for the last paragraph, you may have to wait a bit of a while for that!? |
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Post by playtowin on Apr 9, 2023 10:15:26 GMT
In fairness, I've planned a Bus Route to Temple Meads. 20 Minute Walk to the nearest Bus Stop, Bus into Queen Square, then another Bus to Temple Meads. Even if a Bus was waiting for me at each stop and we left the second I stepped aboard, that's an hour's journey, and the chances of that being the case is zero. So as it stands I'm looking at an hour and a half journey at best. And then I need to do exactly the same to get home. 3 hours travel? I guess it's not too bad getting home at 6.30 - 7pm on a Saturday (as opposed to currently getting home at 5.15pm), but getting home 11.30 - 12pm on a weekday evening game? I don't think so. And where are these extra buses coming from? Just interested. I could never understand that when it was decided a new bus station was needed it wasnt built on the derelict land behind temple meads. Would be logical to have bus and train hubs next to each other. That all bus routes then went to the station (not the centre) and a constant shuttle service then did a loop around the centre from the station. Meaning whilst a few changes might be required you can access not only every area of the city but also destinations across the nation and abroad from your local bus stop in a straight forward easy manner. |
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Post by Quarters on Apr 9, 2023 10:23:16 GMT
In fairness, I've planned a Bus Route to Temple Meads. 20 Minute Walk to the nearest Bus Stop, Bus into Queen Square, then another Bus to Temple Meads. Even if a Bus was waiting for me at each stop and we left the second I stepped aboard, that's an hour's journey, and the chances of that being the case is zero. So as it stands I'm looking at an hour and a half journey at best. And then I need to do exactly the same to get home. 3 hours travel? I guess it's not too bad getting home at 6.30 - 7pm on a Saturday (as opposed to currently getting home at 5.15pm), but getting home 11.30 - 12pm on a weekday evening game? I don't think so. And where are these extra buses coming from? Just interested. I could never understand that when it was decided a new bus station was needed it wasnt built on the derelict land behind temple meads. Would be logical to have bus and train hubs next to each other. That all bus routes then went to the station (not the centre) and a constant shuttle service then did a loop around the centre from the station. Meaning whilst a few changes might be required you can access not only every area of the city but also destinations across the nation and abroad from your local bus stop in a straight forward easy manner. Exactly this. |
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Post by playtowin on Apr 9, 2023 10:34:50 GMT
It may see more of a switch to east and west Bristol as both FM and trashton are opposite ends of the Avon as it passes through the city. As to the Mem is in our spiritual home ? Its that much further away for the fishponds,kingswood,redfield,easton etc fans than eastville was. Eastville will always be the home of Rovers ,twerton and the mem are stop offs on our journey to our future longterm big capacity stadium. Twerton was always the home of Bath City and the Mem the home of Bristol Rugby club. My ideal scenario would see Rovers move to their own new big stadium and the Mem rebuilt as home for Bristol Rugby again. I didn't say Mem was spiritual home, I said it was close to our heartland. When we moved out of Eastville in '86, the Mem guys and gals didn't want us! It was only when rugby turned professional and Bristol were struggling we then became an option for them to ground share. But for the generations that can only remember the Mem, it will feel like a spiritual home. Totally agree with Eastville comments, and as for the last paragraph, you may have to wait a bit of a while for that!? The tract of land between muller and Gloucester rd was always the sporting zone for the city. Rugby,Cricket and football. Trashton was the odd one out. Now Lansdown is trying to make Traston area the home of Bristol sport leaving Rovers the odd ones out. Envy ? Control freak ? Unknown revenge...who knows why. Wouldnt surprise me if he built a cricket ground for Somerset to play some games at nearby. Where a club play in your childhood and young adult years always will seem the best i guess. Those who went to Twerton in those years will hold that dear im sure. A new stadium location will always not appeal to some. I remember the first season at the Mem and thinking i dont like this place at all. It doesnt feel right in any way...but you get used to it and it grows on you until eventually it feels like home. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2023 12:17:00 GMT
I didn't say Mem was spiritual home, I said it was close to our heartland. When we moved out of Eastville in '86, the Mem guys and gals didn't want us! It was only when rugby turned professional and Bristol were struggling we then became an option for them to ground share. But for the generations that can only remember the Mem, it will feel like a spiritual home. Totally agree with Eastville comments, and as for the last paragraph, you may have to wait a bit of a while for that!? The tract of land between muller and Gloucester rd was always the sporting zone for the city. Rugby,Cricket and football. Trashton was the odd one out. Now Lansdown is trying to make Traston area the home of Bristol sport leaving Rovers the odd ones out. Envy ? Control freak ? Unknown revenge...who knows why. Wouldnt surprise me if he built a cricket ground for Somerset to play some games at nearby. Where a club play in your childhood and young adult years always will seem the best i guess. Those who went to Twerton in those years will hold that dear im sure. A new stadium location will always not appeal to some. I remember the first season at the Mem and thinking i dont like this place at all. It doesnt feel right in any way...but you get used to it and it grows on you until eventually it feels like home. Home? That will be novel, we are Rovers, footballs Nomads. We should only stay in St Phillips for 20 years, no more. |
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Post by Sir Trevor on Apr 9, 2023 12:23:45 GMT
Just suppose.
For arguments sake.
For whatever reason.
IKEA leaves Bristol for good.
Would Eastville be a suitable site for us?
Unfortunately, I think not.
M32 immediately alongside would be mega-problem.
Planning would be refused for good reasons.
Meanwhile, less than 5kms away another site exists.
Planning permission might be straightforward.
Could be promising. Who knows?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 9, 2023 12:36:36 GMT
Just suppose. For arguments sake. For whatever reason. IKEA leaves Bristol for good. Would Eastville be a suitable site for us? Unfortunately, I think not. M32 immediately alongside would be mega-problem. Planning would be refused for good reasons. Meanwhile, less than 5kms away another site exists. Planning permission might be straightforward. Could be promising. Who knows? How about the Filton Airport developers offer us a piece of land next to the Arena which is still within the Bristol border? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 9, 2023 12:38:33 GMT
I didn't say Mem was spiritual home, I said it was close to our heartland. When we moved out of Eastville in '86, the Mem guys and gals didn't want us! It was only when rugby turned professional and Bristol were struggling we then became an option for them to ground share. But for the generations that can only remember the Mem, it will feel like a spiritual home. Totally agree with Eastville comments, and as for the last paragraph, you may have to wait a bit of a while for that!? The tract of land between muller and Gloucester rd was always the sporting zone for the city. Rugby,Cricket and football. Trashton was the odd one out. Now Lansdown is trying to make Traston area the home of Bristol sport leaving Rovers the odd ones out. Envy ? Control freak ? Unknown revenge...who knows why. Wouldnt surprise me if he built a cricket ground for Somerset to play some games at nearby. Where a club play in your childhood and young adult years always will seem the best i guess. Those who went to Twerton in those years will hold that dear im sure. A new stadium location will always not appeal to some. I remember the first season at the Mem and thinking i dont like this place at all. It doesnt feel right in any way...but you get used to it and it grows on you until eventually it feels like home. The big issue for a lot of fans is how we get there easily and cheaply. |
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Post by Quarters on Apr 9, 2023 12:41:01 GMT
Just suppose. For arguments sake. For whatever reason. IKEA leaves Bristol for good. Would Eastville be a suitable site for us? Unfortunately, I think not. M32 immediately alongside would be mega-problem. Planning would be refused for good reasons. Meanwhile, less than 5kms away another site exists. Planning permission might be straightforward. Could be promising. Who knows? How about the Filton Airport developers offer us a piece of land next to the Arena which is still within the Bristol border? Think it's too late for Filton, the development plans all in place. Was mentioned by someone that Rovers and The Arena developers never spoke to each other. Would make so much sense to be there, piggy back on the infrastructure for the arena. Some will still complain about the transport links. |
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Post by Quarters on Apr 9, 2023 12:42:11 GMT
We are Pirates, travel either way down the Feeder by boat!
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Post by perryfenwick on Apr 9, 2023 12:56:12 GMT
For me, the best option as a fan would be a revamped Mem - a basic South and West, keep the North Terrace, and a mega grandstand on the East. But it's not commercially viable and the Mem is in an awful location traffic wise even if the run of pubs up to the ground are brilliant.
My only concern about the FM, other than whether it'll happen (this being Rovers after all) is that we'd be selling the club's only real asset for a lease of a new ground.
I do find it quite funny though that BCC were so rapidly anti-arena in St Phillips but now want a stadium there, but that's Marvin Rees for you.
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Post by bathtubpirate on Apr 9, 2023 13:04:38 GMT
For me, the best option as a fan would be a revamped Mem - a basic South and West, keep the North Terrace, and a mega grandstand on the East. But it's not commercially viable and the Mem is in an awful location traffic wise even if the run of pubs up to the ground are brilliant. My only concern about the FM, other than whether it'll happen (this being Rovers after all) is that we'd be selling the club's only real asset for a lease of a new ground. I do find it quite funny though that BCC were so rapidly anti-arena in St Phillips but now want a stadium there, but that's Marvin Rees for you. Where has it been said that it will be a leasehold? |
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Post by perryfenwick on Apr 9, 2023 13:10:26 GMT
For me, the best option as a fan would be a revamped Mem - a basic South and West, keep the North Terrace, and a mega grandstand on the East. But it's not commercially viable and the Mem is in an awful location traffic wise even if the run of pubs up to the ground are brilliant. My only concern about the FM, other than whether it'll happen (this being Rovers after all) is that we'd be selling the club's only real asset for a lease of a new ground. I do find it quite funny though that BCC were so rapidly anti-arena in St Phillips but now want a stadium there, but that's Marvin Rees for you. Where has it been said that it will be a leasehold? Conygar would presumably own the land would they not? |
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