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Post by chewbacca on Sept 12, 2023 11:34:28 GMT
Really unfair to point out the club being absolutely useless. Quite disrespectful in fact. I don't think anyone is debating whether you have an opinion that the decision making being really quite poor. Its disrespectful calling someone Wally. I think it's disrespectful selling season tickets for a stand that doesn't exist. We are not the same.
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Post by Nortongashead on Sept 12, 2023 11:34:44 GMT
Being head of a corporate bank should give expertise in financial deals/negotiation as well as access to a wealth of individuals in the field of finance. Its about money right? We don't have any evidence of expertise in anything. Since they have been involved directly or indirectly all we have had is the new stand shambles, the embarrassing JCH deal farce and now this new stadium situation. I gave you an answer now you are diluting the debate in hand.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 12, 2023 11:38:12 GMT
Being head of a corporate bank should give expertise in financial deals/negotiation as well as access to a wealth of individuals in the field of finance. Its about money right? We don't have any evidence of expertise in anything. Since they have been involved directly or indirectly all we have had is the new stand shambles, the embarrassing JCH deal farce and now this new stadium situation. You've been praising Wrexham and saying they will pass us and a lot of other clubs. Didn't they make the same mistake as we did on transfer deadline day?? The new owners were not in charge when we applied for planning with the new stand, so I'm not sure how that is their fault?? We don't know what's happening with the stadium, but if it's not looking good for the club, should they just sign it to get it done?? Like I said on the other thread, moan in a year or two, they have not had time to make any changes yet. Hopefully we have finance to buy our own land long term and build our own facilities. Agreeing leasing terms was always going to be a problem. They were never going to just gift it to us. Wael said before that the fruit market was number 1, but they were looking into other options. Hopefully one of those other options, is now more appealing. In the past, finance for another option may have been a problem.
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Post by DrFaustus on Sept 12, 2023 11:39:04 GMT
That’s all management rather than ownership and I’m at the point where I’m fed up defending the management. The investment is there, though, from our owners. Even if our management couldn’t organise a water up in a brewery but would probably put their selves forward for some wanky award still. Who appointed the management? Why do you participate in a Bristol Rovers discussion forum, when you proudly admit to not being a supporter?
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 12, 2023 11:40:34 GMT
Who appointed the management? Why do you participate in a Bristol Rovers discussion forum, when you proudly admit to not being a supporter? Rubbernecking.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 12, 2023 11:43:08 GMT
Wael doesn't deserve the level of disrespect he gets. Personally don't think the FM is dead in the water its probably at a crucial stage of financial negotiation and we are trying to get some leverage using media outlets to get a better position. The new shareholders are experts in this field hence why Wael has got them on board to try and get a stadium over the line. Until the club make a statement saying its off and are exploring other options I still believe it has a chance. Playing devils advocate have we found a better option? What proof and evidence do you have that "the new shareholders are experts in this field"? What proof and evidence do you have that they are NOT experts in this field
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Post by gasstrictband on Sept 12, 2023 12:32:22 GMT
This situation has all the making of a Mexican standoff
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Post by pirate on Sept 12, 2023 12:45:13 GMT
We don't have any evidence of expertise in anything. Since they have been involved directly or indirectly all we have had is the new stand shambles, the embarrassing JCH deal farce and now this new stadium situation. You've been praising Wrexham and saying they will pass us and a lot of other clubs. Didn't they make the same mistake as we did on transfer deadline day?? The new owners were not in charge when we applied for planning with the new stand, so I'm not sure how that is their fault?? We don't know what's happening with the stadium, but if it's not looking good for the club, should they just sign it to get it done?? Like I said on the other thread, moan in a year or two, they have not had time to make any changes yet. Hopefully we have finance to buy our own land long term and build our own facilities. Agreeing leasing terms was always going to be a problem. They were never going to just gift it to us. Wael said before that the fruit market was number 1, but they were looking into other options. Hopefully one of those other options, is now more appealing. In the past, finance for another option may have been a problem. I don't know the circumstances behind the Wrexham cock up. Did they have permission to speak to the player at 5:30pm and then agree a deal around 9pm leaving TWO HOURS to complete the deal? Did they have the Harrogate Head of Football Operations or equivalent help with the paperwork to speed things up and give reminders in plenty of time of a possible extension available, but then somehow inexplicably lodge the extension request at 11:01pm and the transfer itself at 11:17? What we do know is they are capable of paying the fee and highly unlikely that they got cold feet at the last minute. Hussain Al-Saeed has been reportedly part of discussions around the proposed Fruit Market development at St Philip's Marsh so will have presumably been aware of what is going on with the new stand. The new owners talks started in February and in the subsequent 6 or 7 months they have had more than enough time to do due diligence and then start to make any changes they feel is necessary in the month they have been in control. But then again, I suppose they have and those 'changes' are pulling out of negotiations for a stadium at the Fruit Market.
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Post by Thegasaregoingup on Sept 12, 2023 12:49:44 GMT
Every home game I turn up with my season ticket, take my seat in the stand and become subject of 90 minutes of whinging from some guy sat behind me and I just wondered if he is one of you lot on here. Let’s face facts. Without the Dunfords we wouldn’t have a team to support or a Stadium to use as collateral on future investments. I am 70 now and been watching the gas for 60 years and supported them through stadium fires, exiled to Bath and, whatever our owners are trying to do now I’m convinced it’s for the good of the club. So let’s get behind the club in spite of any disappointments.
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Post by baggins on Sept 12, 2023 12:50:26 GMT
You've been praising Wrexham and saying they will pass us and a lot of other clubs. Didn't they make the same mistake as we did on transfer deadline day?? The new owners were not in charge when we applied for planning with the new stand, so I'm not sure how that is their fault?? We don't know what's happening with the stadium, but if it's not looking good for the club, should they just sign it to get it done?? Like I said on the other thread, moan in a year or two, they have not had time to make any changes yet. Hopefully we have finance to buy our own land long term and build our own facilities. Agreeing leasing terms was always going to be a problem. They were never going to just gift it to us. Wael said before that the fruit market was number 1, but they were looking into other options. Hopefully one of those other options, is now more appealing. In the past, finance for another option may have been a problem. I don't know the circumstances behind the Wrexham cock up. Did they have permission to speak to the player at 5:30pm and then agree a deal around 9pm leaving TWO HOURS to complete the deal? Did they have the Harrogate Head of Football Operations or equivalent help with the paperwork to speed things up and give reminders in plenty of time of a possible extension available, but then somehow inexplicably lodge the extension request at 11:01pm and the transfer itself at 11:17? What we do know is they are capable of paying the fee and highly unlikely that they got cold feet at the last minute. Hussain Al-Saeed has been reportedly part of discussions around the proposed Fruit Market development at St Philip's Marsh so will have presumably been aware of what is going on with the new stand. The new owners talks started in February and in the subsequent 6 or 7 months they have had more than enough time to do due diligence and then start to make any changes they feel is necessary in the month they have been in control. But then again, I suppose they have and those 'changes' are pulling out of negotiations for a stadium at the Fruit Market. Reportedly. That's a great word isn't it?
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 12, 2023 12:51:09 GMT
Bournemouth is interesting ,yet they now have a wealthy US owner prepared to stick his hand in his pocket , plus they have been elevated to Prem level
pretty much due to Eddie Howes brilliant managment ( 2015 ) . The prob with the Mem is do we want to go down the temp stand thing or put in perm structures that
require a lot of finance ,something I'm not sure the hierachy can stump up.
You are assuming that our owners don't have the wealth but have also forgotten that the new owner of Bournemouth got involved because they were in the Premier League . Things change when you get to Shangri La. If Rovers ever get to the Premiership you would suddenly find that suitors come calling and that opportunities for new stadiums would grow out of the woodwork. Life would be easier than they are at this transition stage Yes, pretty much it. Spent Max Denim’s money to get there in one season. Had they failed that season they would have been in trouble. They would not have been able to maintain that level of spending. EH was/is a very special manager who was able to play a team in the PL with 8/9 players who had been in their League 1 winning team on several occasions. But for the club they gambled in 14/15 spent and got fined £4.75m (?) for breaking the rules but of course that paled into insignificance compared to theriches of the PL. Now Foley is spending because of the wealth of the PL. But, long-standing fans are asking what is the legacy of these PL- years apart from big teams on matchdays. Stadium is still relatively poor, training ground is improved but most have that now. And with crowds of 10,500 it’s hard to build a fan base who won’t disappear if the hard times come again. AFC Bournemouth are more attractive due to their PL status which is huge. But going to AFCB most matchdays there are similarities. Believe it or not! UTG!
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Post by baggins on Sept 12, 2023 12:51:16 GMT
Every home game I turn up with my season ticket, take my seat in the stand and become subject of 90 minutes of whinging from some guy sat behind me and I just wondered if he is one of you lot on here. Let’s face facts. Without the Dunfords we wouldn’t have a team to support or a Stadium to use as collateral on future investments. I am 70 now and been watching the gas for 60 years and supported them through stadium fires, exiled to Bath and, whatever our owners are trying to do now I’m convinced it’s for the good of the club. So let’s get behind the club in spite of any disappointments. This.
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Post by toggsy2 on Sept 12, 2023 12:55:00 GMT
No statements have been issued by either parties only what is reported by Bristol Live, until any statement is released its still to early to say whether the fruit market will happen or not or what the state of play is. I'm reserving judgement until any statement by either party is made
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Post by calcio on Sept 12, 2023 13:00:38 GMT
This situation has all the making of a Mexican standoff Are you sure they play rugby in Mexico?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 12, 2023 13:06:30 GMT
Given the total nonsense we have seen over the last six months - has all been listed on here before, I am not surprised in any way that this may have collapsed. Just when it feels like we are making some progress up the ladder we come across snake after snake and end up lower down and further away from decent facilities than we have been in years. If you attend the Mem you will now what a shithole it is .... the match day experience is pathetic and it's getting worse and that's before the team have entered the pitch. We accept it though. There aren't enough people within the club who are either skilled at what they do or actually care about their standards.... I can name maybe two who impress and the rest are appalling, the result of awful hiring by the in house HR team looking to do everything on the cheap and poor examples and standrads set by their bosses. I think we are at a crossroads as a club now .... One way is a genuine new owner and proper investment strategy that just might see something come to pass in the next six years . The other way will see us stay in L2/L1 certainly for the rest of my lifetime and potentially beyond. I don't see Wael as the answer - lovely guy but not the massive financial clout we had hoped for (although he is certainly better than Higgs and his cronies who continue to feed from the trough on match days in their hospitality box)- and he has kept us alive albeit on a life support machine of his bank account for the last few years. The new owners wont be around too long if they don't see value - I am assuming they didn't come in on the back of promises at the Fruit Bowl and if rumour is to be believed that they got up and walked out of a meeting with the developers, their exit could come sooner rather than later. In their short tenure they have seen us phuck up on a grand scale twice and now lose out on our future potential home. Equally wont be surprised to see Barton and his entourage up and go at some point this season - again he must be shaking his head at what is going on, the only consolation is there wont be too many clubs who fancy his style of leadership or his track record in L1. Sadly the club treat the fans with an almost air of contempt - here we go again with the policy of 'We will tell you what we want , when we want and how we want' All that said - If the deal was not right for the club then we are correct to walk away - crap geographic venue anyway BUT that's two deals where we were leasing the ground and we expected to call the shots - Never going to happen that way is it. Agree with all of that but I thought Higgs was good right up to the moment Sainsbury's pulled out of buying the Mem because of the less than 'watertight' contract he had drawn up and when he started acting like a dog chasing a bone that he was never going to get, sinking the club into spiralling and expensive debt. Higgs put himself and the club in a position where it needed to be sold fast in order to survive, he might have believed that all of the brilliant work he and everyone else put into the UWE project would be resurrected by the new owners, but he was in no position to play hard ball about it. As we now know Wael was never in a position to decide unilaterally about UWE and it was clear early doors that the pace of the project slowed right down as soon as he took over until it eventually died a lingering but not totally unexpected death. Wael, now, just as he did then has presided over the imminent but also lingering death of the latest project.
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Post by DrFaustus on Sept 12, 2023 13:06:46 GMT
This situation has all the making of a Mexican standoff Are you sure they play rugby in Mexico? Sí. Attachments:
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Post by amgas on Sept 12, 2023 13:13:25 GMT
I must admit I would like to know a little more about the new owners plans for the club and what level of investment they are planning.
I wonder what Wael agreed with them as part of the sale and what he is expecting to happen.
The problem is once you sell the house to a new owner you don't really have much of a say in what they do to it, even if you are still living in one of the bedrooms .....
There has to be a concern that Wael believed the new owners would make the FM happen which was some of the driver to sell to them, in the same way Higgs believed Wael would deliver the UWE ...... Unfortunately none of us know what the deal involved and what made it attractive to Wael other than him not having to fund everything.
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Post by baggins on Sept 12, 2023 13:15:54 GMT
Who appointed the management? Why do you participate in a Bristol Rovers discussion forum, when you proudly admit to not being a supporter? He doesn't even go to watch the Rovers?
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 12, 2023 13:16:45 GMT
You've been praising Wrexham and saying they will pass us and a lot of other clubs. Didn't they make the same mistake as we did on transfer deadline day?? The new owners were not in charge when we applied for planning with the new stand, so I'm not sure how that is their fault?? We don't know what's happening with the stadium, but if it's not looking good for the club, should they just sign it to get it done?? Like I said on the other thread, moan in a year or two, they have not had time to make any changes yet. Hopefully we have finance to buy our own land long term and build our own facilities. Agreeing leasing terms was always going to be a problem. They were never going to just gift it to us. Wael said before that the fruit market was number 1, but they were looking into other options. Hopefully one of those other options, is now more appealing. In the past, finance for another option may have been a problem. I don't know the circumstances behind the Wrexham cock up. Did they have permission to speak to the player at 5:30pm and then agree a deal around 9pm leaving TWO HOURS to complete the deal? Did they have the Harrogate Head of Football Operations or equivalent help with the paperwork to speed things up and give reminders in plenty of time of a possible extension available, but then somehow inexplicably lodge the extension request at 11:01pm and the transfer itself at 11:17? What we do know is they are capable of paying the fee and highly unlikely that they got cold feet at the last minute. Hussain Al-Saeed has been reportedly part of discussions around the proposed Fruit Market development at St Philip's Marsh so will have presumably been aware of what is going on with the new stand. The new owners talks started in February and in the subsequent 6 or 7 months they have had more than enough time to do due diligence and then start to make any changes they feel is necessary in the month they have been in control. But then again, I suppose they have and those 'changes' are pulling out of negotiations for a stadium at the Fruit Market. Did the player they were trying to sign use an agent that had been struck off causing delays??
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Post by fatherbrown on Sept 12, 2023 13:26:44 GMT
We don't have any evidence of expertise in anything. Since they have been involved directly or indirectly all we have had is the new stand shambles, the embarrassing JCH deal farce and now this new stadium situation. You've been praising Wrexham and saying they will pass us and a lot of other clubs. Didn't they make the same mistake as we did on transfer deadline day?? The new owners were not in charge when we applied for planning with the new stand, so I'm not sure how that is their fault?? We don't know what's happening with the stadium, but if it's not looking good for the club, should they just sign it to get it done?? Like I said on the other thread, moan in a year or two, they have not had time to make any changes yet. Hopefully we have finance to buy our own land long term and build our own facilities. Agreeing leasing terms was always going to be a problem. They were never going to just gift it to us. Wael said before that the fruit market was number 1, but they were looking into other options. Hopefully one of those other options, is now more appealing. In the past, finance for another option may have been a problem. I was in Wrexham in May, one huge gaping hole behind one of the goals where their stand used to be, looking at the efl highlights nothing has happened, still only three sides, I believe Wrexham are getting it built for free under the guise of the Welsh government regeneration fund, its a whole new board game running a football club to being top Holywood actors and the gas with middle Eastern businessmen, I wonder if their stand will ever get built seeing the Welsh government is involved, they bought Cardiff Airport and the airport is losing money everyday with very few flights a day.
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