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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 12, 2023 22:26:38 GMT
Just remember peeps that these new guys were sold to us as being the owners who could help us achieve our aims more quickly. Not looking that way is it ? .. I think it was suggested that they would be looking at the training ground improvements first. Hopefully we can start the next stage of the training ground, get the South stand up and break our transfer record by the end of the season. That would shut a few people up, for a week or two😂. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 13, 2023 0:54:24 GMT
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Post by phillistine on Sept 13, 2023 5:25:54 GMT
Gut instinct tells me this is just the beginning of a very bad period for the club. Maybe not and maybe overreacting, but that's my gut. The stadium deal collapsing is so odd given the effective announcement only a few months back. Just all so odd. Then factor in the JCH deal falling through so avoidably, the new investment to owners that I wonder whether are just a figment of my imagination, generally very little comms from the club whatsoever... it's all just... odd. I wouldn't be shocked to see Wael saying he's taken us as far as he can. But then given we apparently sidestepped several offers so that he could retain a share, that too would be odd. It's crazy that just over a week ago, Proboards almost collapsed due to the traffic caused as we looked to utterly decimate our transfer record. Just over a week on, that never materialised - in the most humiliating of fashions - and the stadium that was basically announced is now seemingly not happening either. Would not be surprised to see Barton walk if we don't start picking up maximum points in the next 4-5 weeks. One thoroughly, thoroughly dejected Gashead. Totally agree with this … Totally disagree with both of these. New owners have come in and the first thing that they have done is sanction a transfer fee that is more than double anything that preceded it. That was let down by a situation that was not of their making. Secondly they review the Fruit Market situation and prove that they will think for themselves and take control of the drifting ship. The fact that well over 700 pages of debate on a public forum exists suggests that the project in question was needing decisive action . That will happen and we will shortly know one way,or the other in which direction the road leads. Wael seems like a lovely guy - quite laid back but astute. He hopefully will have brought characters in who add extra skills and experiences that will take the Gas forward. Maybe further changes wil be made but people have taken Bristol Rovers afc for a ride for as long as I have ever supported the club and consequently we have had many false dawns and under achieved spectacularly. So does it worry me that a new owner comes in and acts decisively ? Not at all. Does it concern me that the south stand is being built without planning permission? Yes of course but at the same time it is a decisive act that the Rovers of the past would not have taken - it looks like someone in a hurry to achieve something positive. The changes of the last few years have been staggering when you consider just where we were as Nick Higgs term came to a close - but so many supporters don’t seem able to see that - or perhaps they choose not to. |
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Post by supergas on Sept 13, 2023 7:14:21 GMT
Hope so! 🏴 Nobody knows the Fruit Market is off yet, do they? Loads of conjecture, no proof.
Whatever. UTFG and Come on Scotland. 🏴☠️ What more proof do you want apart from a BP article, who must have got the info from either Rovers or CI? If was totally incorrect I'm sure we would have seen a statement refuting the story and saying that talks are still ongoing. I guess there's a chance of some brinkmanship by Rovers to try and force CI to make a better offer but the collapse of the JCH followed by this news breaking does make you wonder if the new owners have told Wael a few home truths about how they intending spending they have any money assuming they have money to spend. Bristol Live "...understands..." Rovers are "...exploring alternative options..." No named source - no un-named source, in fact, it sounds like conjecture based on one or more sources the journalist doesn't necessarily fully trust...or just a guess based on a combination of little bits of info they've come across. No definite details about what has been happening, what is happening, what might happen in the future, or if anything has changed since the last confirmed update... ...now I'm a lifelong Rovers fan so whilst I assume the Fruit Market is dead in the water, that's not even close to what this story says, let alone what it proves.... |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 13, 2023 7:24:51 GMT
Totally agree with this … Totally disagree with both of these. New owners have come in and the first thing that they have done is sanction a transfer fee that is more than double anything that preceded it. That was let down by a situation that was not of their making. Secondly they review the Fruit Market situation and prove that they will think for themselves and take control of the drifting ship. The fact that well over 700 pages of debate on a public forum exists suggests that the project in question was needing decisive action . That will happen and we will shortly know one way,or the other in which direction the road leads. Wael seems like a lovely guy - quite laid back but astute. He hopefully will have brought characters in who add extra skills and experiences that will take the Gas forward. Maybe further changes wil be made but people have taken Bristol Rovers afc for a ride for as long as I have ever supported the club and consequently we have had many false dawns and under achieved spectacularly. So does it worry me that a new owner comes in and acts decisively ? Not at all. Does it concern me that the south stand is being built without planning permission? Yes of course but at the same time it is a decisive act that the Rovers of the past would not have taken - it looks like someone in a hurry to achieve something positive. The changes of the last few years have been staggering when you consider just where we were as Nick Higgs term came to a close - but so many supporters don’t seem able to see that - or perhaps they choose not to.just to pick up on what I have highlighted. 'Staggering' is doing some heavy lifting there. Wael and co were starting from a pretty sh**, low base. Improvements have been made and at least the ownership have made those, but those 'staggering' changes amount to lifting the club up to an 'acceptable' (and even that can will be described as generous by some) level |
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Post by supergas on Sept 13, 2023 7:41:28 GMT
Why would the FM developers want a stadium on the site when it could reduce the value and space for new housing? ...because they get the Memorial Stadium site as well. So they would be building roughly the same number of houses that the Fruit Market site could hold in total, but in two separate locations - spreads risk, allows different styles/sizes of plots/houses, and eases things like planning permission and the need to upgrade infrastructure... ...the Fruit Market site is nearly 15 acres, brownfield sites in city can often have 17+ houses per acre, that's 250 homes in total and that can be an issue both in terms of design, permission and then selling them at the price they want once they're built.....far better to give half the site to something else (assuming you also get decent money for it) and build the rest of the homes in a completely different location... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2023 7:58:49 GMT
Just remember peeps that these new guys were sold to us as being the owners who could help us achieve our aims more quickly. Not looking that way is it ? Christ on a bike, the new owners were announced on 14th August, its 13th September. |
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Post by phillistine on Sept 13, 2023 8:27:41 GMT
Totally disagree with both of these. New owners have come in and the first thing that they have done is sanction a transfer fee that is more than double anything that preceded it. That was let down by a situation that was not of their making. Secondly they review the Fruit Market situation and prove that they will think for themselves and take control of the drifting ship. The fact that well over 700 pages of debate on a public forum exists suggests that the project in question was needing decisive action . That will happen and we will shortly know one way,or the other in which direction the road leads. Wael seems like a lovely guy - quite laid back but astute. He hopefully will have brought characters in who add extra skills and experiences that will take the Gas forward. Maybe further changes wil be made but people have taken Bristol Rovers afc for a ride for as long as I have ever supported the club and consequently we have had many false dawns and under achieved spectacularly. So does it worry me that a new owner comes in and acts decisively ? Not at all. Does it concern me that the south stand is being built without planning permission? Yes of course but at the same time it is a decisive act that the Rovers of the past would not have taken - it looks like someone in a hurry to achieve something positive. The changes of the last few years have been staggering when you consider just where we were as Nick Higgs term came to a close - but so many supporters don’t seem able to see that - or perhaps they choose not to.just to pick up on what I have highlighted. 'Staggering' is doing some heavy lifting there. Wael and co were starting from a pretty sh**, low base. Improvements have been made and at least the ownership have made those, but those 'staggering' changes amount to lifting the club up to an 'acceptable' (and even that can will be described as generous by some) level “Staggering “is correct and no exaggeration. In the 6 years prior to Wael taking over we had seen our balance sheet destroyed from a healthy situation to the point that we were hopelessly in debt with a massive short term loan at an inflated rate of interest that we are led to believe was dragging us towards administration. We were training with borrowed facilities and effectively had a very bleak future. In the 6 years since Wael came on board we now have a multi million pound training complex that is owned by the club , have a club that is debt free and are more concerned about a new stadium than worrying about whether we would have a club to support . In that time we have continued to post trading losses year in year out . How on earth do you consider such a situation as just “ acceptable”? Itnis ironic that prior to this I was reading complaints from fans who felt that were being robbed because the club charged them £5 too much for a cup game last week . Perhaps we should be grateful occasionally instead of belittling the massive change in fortune over a relatively short period |
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Post by RD on Sept 13, 2023 8:49:37 GMT
just to pick up on what I have highlighted. 'Staggering' is doing some heavy lifting there. Wael and co were starting from a pretty sh**, low base. Improvements have been made and at least the ownership have made those, but those 'staggering' changes amount to lifting the club up to an 'acceptable' (and even that can will be described as generous by some) level “Staggering “is correct and no exaggeration. In the 6 years prior to Wael taking over we had seen our balance sheet destroyed from a healthy situation to the point that we were hopelessly in debt with a massive short term loan at an inflated rate of interest that we are led to believe was dragging us towards administration. We were training with borrowed facilities and effectively had a very bleak future. In the 6 years since Wael came on board we now have a multi million pound training complex that is owned by the club , have a club that is debt free and are more concerned about a new stadium than worrying about whether we would have a club to support . In that time we have continued to post trading losses year in year out . How on earth do you consider such a situation as just “ acceptable”? Itnis ironic that prior to this I was reading complaints from fans who felt that were being robbed because the club charged them £5 too much for a cup game last week . Perhaps we should be grateful occasionally instead of belittling the massive change in fortune over a relatively short period Staggering is correct in your opinion. In my opinion, that is an utterly laughable description. We've done some decent things, some better than decent, just as many poor things. Overall, I'd rate his tenure a C+, borderline B-. So certainly struggle to see how that would relate to "staggering". |
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Post by phillistine on Sept 13, 2023 8:56:16 GMT
“Staggering “is correct and no exaggeration. In the 6 years prior to Wael taking over we had seen our balance sheet destroyed from a healthy situation to the point that we were hopelessly in debt with a massive short term loan at an inflated rate of interest that we are led to believe was dragging us towards administration. We were training with borrowed facilities and effectively had a very bleak future. In the 6 years since Wael came on board we now have a multi million pound training complex that is owned by the club , have a club that is debt free and are more concerned about a new stadium than worrying about whether we would have a club to support . In that time we have continued to post trading losses year in year out . How on earth do you consider such a situation as just “ acceptable”? Itnis ironic that prior to this I was reading complaints from fans who felt that were being robbed because the club charged them £5 too much for a cup game last week . Perhaps we should be grateful occasionally instead of belittling the massive change in fortune over a relatively short period Staggering is correct in your opinion. In my opinion, that is an utterly laughable description. We've done some decent things, some better than decent, just as many poor things. Overall, I'd rate his tenure a C+, borderline B-. So certainly struggle to see how that would relate to "staggering". All i can say then is that you must have achieved a great deal in your life to judge the tenure as C+. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2023 9:00:51 GMT
“Staggering “is correct and no exaggeration. In the 6 years prior to Wael taking over we had seen our balance sheet destroyed from a healthy situation to the point that we were hopelessly in debt with a massive short term loan at an inflated rate of interest that we are led to believe was dragging us towards administration. We were training with borrowed facilities and effectively had a very bleak future. In the 6 years since Wael came on board we now have a multi million pound training complex that is owned by the club , have a club that is debt free and are more concerned about a new stadium than worrying about whether we would have a club to support . In that time we have continued to post trading losses year in year out . How on earth do you consider such a situation as just “ acceptable”? Itnis ironic that prior to this I was reading complaints from fans who felt that were being robbed because the club charged them £5 too much for a cup game last week . Perhaps we should be grateful occasionally instead of belittling the massive change in fortune over a relatively short period Staggering is correct in your opinion. In my opinion, that is an utterly laughable description. We've done some decent things, some better than decent, just as many poor things. Overall, I'd rate his tenure a C+, borderline B-. So certainly struggle to see how that would relate to "staggering". Perhaps but moving from F to a B- is still pretty good. Stadium aside, I'd say we're much better placed and once the South Stand is up, it'll be a solid B. That doesn't mean we can't expect better match day experiences but infrastructure wise we are better. Still work to be done and looking forward to The Quarters and academy news that has been mooted. |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 13, 2023 9:10:32 GMT
just to pick up on what I have highlighted. 'Staggering' is doing some heavy lifting there. Wael and co were starting from a pretty sh**, low base. Improvements have been made and at least the ownership have made those, but those 'staggering' changes amount to lifting the club up to an 'acceptable' (and even that can will be described as generous by some) level “Staggering “is correct and no exaggeration. In the 6 years prior to Wael taking over we had seen our balance sheet destroyed from a healthy situation to the point that we were hopelessly in debt with a massive short term loan at an inflated rate of interest that we are led to believe was dragging us towards administration. We were training with borrowed facilities and effectively had a very bleak future. In the 6 years since Wael came on board we now have a multi million pound training complex that is owned by the club , have a club that is debt free and are more concerned about a new stadium than worrying about whether we would have a club to support . In that time we have continued to post trading losses year in year out . How on earth do you consider such a situation as just “ acceptable”? Itnis ironic that prior to this I was reading complaints from fans who felt that were being robbed because the club charged them £5 too much for a cup game last week . Perhaps we should be grateful occasionally instead of belittling the massive change in fortune over a relatively short period Wael/the club have done some good things. you might thing them staggering, but I see it as 'just about keeping up' with other clubs. Wael has sunk in about what £20m, and whilst I will never not be grateful that someone has put there hand in their pockets to keep the club going, that money doesn't seem to have much other than rack up more financial losses than ever before. The training ground is certainly a positive step forward and to have our own base is incredibly beneficial. I would be careful in saying it belongs to the club though because who owns the club. Ultimately (like The Mem) it belongs to Dwane Sports and whomever owns that entity. Not suggesting Mr Al-Qadi or Mr Al-Saeed are going to flog it (them) anytime soon or ever, but we will have zero choice if they or any future owners do. We are only ever at the whim of 1 or 2 people There are positives and negatives to the changes that have happened under Wael's reign, but we aren't much further forward for it. I hope the new owners and Wael are confident and serious that they can improve the training facilities further and ultimately The Mem or produce a new ground |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2023 9:19:10 GMT
“Staggering “is correct and no exaggeration. In the 6 years prior to Wael taking over we had seen our balance sheet destroyed from a healthy situation to the point that we were hopelessly in debt with a massive short term loan at an inflated rate of interest that we are led to believe was dragging us towards administration. We were training with borrowed facilities and effectively had a very bleak future. In the 6 years since Wael came on board we now have a multi million pound training complex that is owned by the club , have a club that is debt free and are more concerned about a new stadium than worrying about whether we would have a club to support . In that time we have continued to post trading losses year in year out . How on earth do you consider such a situation as just “ acceptable”? Itnis ironic that prior to this I was reading complaints from fans who felt that were being robbed because the club charged them £5 too much for a cup game last week . Perhaps we should be grateful occasionally instead of belittling the massive change in fortune over a relatively short period Wael/the club have done some good things. you might thing them staggering, but I see it as 'just about keeping up' with other clubs. Wael has sunk in about what £20m, and whilst I will never not be grateful that someone has put there hand in their pockets to keep the club going, that money doesn't seem to have much other than rack up more financial losses than ever before. The training ground is certainly a positive step forward and to have our own base is incredibly beneficial. I would be careful in saying it belongs to the club though because who owns the club. Ultimately (like The Mem) it belongs to Dwane Sports and whomever owns that entity. Not suggesting Mr Al-Qadi or Mr Al-Saeed are going to flog it (them) anytime soon or ever, but we will have zero choice if they or any future owners do There are positives and negatives to the changes that have happened under Wael's reign, but we aren't much further forward for it Compared to what we had before or compared to other clubs? Staggering isn't the word I'd use but it's not that inappropriate imo when you look at what we had rather than what other clubs had already. The Quarters is owned by Dwane Colony, isn't it, or has that changed? |
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Post by heartofgas on Sept 13, 2023 9:24:48 GMT
I think we are lucky having Wael at our club. He is a football fan and a Gashead. His passion is clearly football and the business side of things is second to that for him. That is unusual for a football club owner. I can't see the new owners being this way. I 100% trust Wael will act in Rovers interest and he will protect the best interest of Rovers. I think he had a lot of inexperience when he took charge and I think his family left him high and dry somewhat. Much as yet another stadium project comes to a close I do think we are well placed going forward with Wael's commitment to the club and the business focus of the new owners.
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Post by percy on Sept 13, 2023 9:27:03 GMT
I think we are lucky having Wael at our club. He is a football fan and a Gashead. His passion is clearly football and the business side of things is second to that for him. That is unusual for a football club owner. I can't see the new owners being this way. I 100% trust Wael will act in Rovers interest and he will protect the best interest of Rovers. I think he had a lot of inexperience when he took charge and I think his family left him high and dry somewhat. Much as yet another stadium project comes to a close I do think we are well placed going forward with Wael's commitment to the club and the business focus of the new owners. Exactly why I am happy wael only got investors that meant he stayed on. He’s made mistakes but he wants the best for rovers. Others on here laughed at me for being pleased he didn’t sell up to the next great big hope. |
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Post by singupgas on Sept 13, 2023 9:30:14 GMT
I just want an artistic impression and to know everything is okay 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2023 9:31:55 GMT
Unless we are signing 500 players a season from around the globe signing one player for a million quid or building a new stadium tomorrow then the club is in disaray. Possibly the healthiest state it has been since the 50s.
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 13, 2023 10:17:11 GMT
Unless we are signing 500 players a season from around the globe signing one player for a million quid or building a new stadium tomorrow then the club is in disaray. Possibly the healthiest state it has been since the 50s. Nothing matters. Even if that was the case, some on here would be moaning. Otib regularly have threads complaining about Landsdown and his son. Premier league clubs fans moan. Luton Town fans will be moaning after Xmas at getting walloped every other week. It's just football and aside from BRFC being possibly the most unloved club in the EFL(from an ownership/investment perspective), we are no different. |
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Post by percy on Sept 13, 2023 11:42:49 GMT
Spent 10 mins of my lunchtime looking at google maps aerial view of the Mem and surrounding roads.
If we are seriously thinking of a 18-20K ground there, we know space isnt the problem. The problem is the surrounding houses, for impact and planning but also entrance and egress of twice as many supporters. Plus any non-match day events.
Widening the access for one of the two roads behind the north stand would probably be needed. Meaning needing to but at least a couple of houses.
There is no easy way to link the East/south to Muller Rd and re-opening the Alton Rd exit is probably an non-starter.
Think this is why it will continue to be a non-starter. Unless we are happy with a 12-15K all seater with better facilities and losing money until we make the Prem!
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Post by singupgas on Sept 13, 2023 11:55:10 GMT
Spent 10 mins of my lunchtime looking at google maps aerial view of the Mem and surrounding roads. If we are seriously thinking of a 18-20K ground there, we know space isnt the problem. The problem is the surrounding houses, for impact and planning but also entrance and egress of twice as many supporters. Plus any non-match day events. Widening the access for one of the two roads behind the north stand would probably be needed. Meaning needing to but at least a couple of houses. There is no easy way to link the East/south to Muller Rd and re-opening the Alton Rd exit is probably an non-starter. Think this is why it will continue to be a non-starter. Unless we are happy with a 12-15K all seater with better facilities and losing money until we make the Prem! The Mem is a Non starter. We cant even build a small ish south stand without the neighbours kicking off, an entire stadium with a 20k capacity just isn't happening. But I would really like to know do we actually have a burning desire to build a new stadium. |
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