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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2023 11:32:26 GMT
Reading one of the other threads where someone usefully provided an archive of newspaper clippings, there was mention of a £2m - £3m grant available when Dunford successfully got planning permission for a 5000 seater North Stand. Do such grants still exist and if so from where? 8,500 seat stadium. Interesingly the total cost of the York City stadium was £44.2 million. If the 8,500 York City stadium cost £44.2 million to build, I'm wondering how much a 20,000 seater is likely to cost?
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Post by eric on Sept 14, 2023 11:53:03 GMT
If the FM is off and once the South and SW stand is done could we turn our attention to seeking planning permission to revamp the other parts of the ground in a relatively low cost fashion?
1) Could the East Stand be extended (essentially bolting on an extension) towards the corners and in the short term keep terracing to the front all the way along? 2) Same with the West - could it be extended by bolting on a couple of additional boxes, additional seats below and terracing to the front. 3) Finally, complete rebuild of the North Terrace into a proper stand with bars, restaurant etc below where there will be plenty of space and in line with what we had permission for under Geoff Dunford?
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Post by sodburygas on Sept 14, 2023 11:54:59 GMT
Has he ran a football club before?? He could be rich and a super business man, they still make mistakes and he trusted his staff. If he makes the same mistake then you have a case. All owners, managers, players etc will make mistakes. The best ones, learn from those mistakes. You have no idea of what has been happening, yet you are still banging on about JCH weeks after😂. I'm more worried about Bartons comments after, saying he hasn't even thought about signing a few agent and that he didn't know who was available. You should always have a plan B. I'm told by a trusted source that Mr Abdullatif Al-Saeed is indeed a director of a club in his homeland, but I do find that hard to believe as yet again there is no evidence of it anywhere and isn't included on his LinkedIn profile or mentioned in the programme article about the new owners, which having newly taken over another football club you would have thought that would've been worth a mention. The Peterborough Telegraph timeline and the subsequent Hard Truth podcast version of events matches up with what was reportedly told by Tom Gorringe to the forum moderator Gashead1981 and I'm sure you would agree that Gashead1981 has no reason to be telling porkies and therefore we do have an idea of what was happening. With all due respect, there is zero evidence the new owners had the means to personally write off £2.2million on one player and looks like when it came to the crunch we were found wanting, because there is absolutely no reason why having agreed a deal with 2 hours left of the deadline (and the Peterborough United Head of Football Operations even helping us speed up the paperwork) that we shouldn't have completed the paperwork and deal in plenty of time. If you want to believe poor old Bristol Rovers somehow simply missed the two deadlines by a matter of seconds/minutes (despite having 2 HOURS to get it over the line) then that is your prerogative, but it certainly doesn't wash with me. I'm still waiting for you to point me in the direction of evidence for these "huge projects" and "projects that would have cost multi millions" they were previously involved in, because despite exhaustive searches I still can't find any. Again, I would be grateful if you could point me in the right direction for info about these impressive sounding projects. Thanks, much appreciated. Pirate I'm not sure what programme article you are looking at but it says he is director of Kazma sporting club and also lists all the business the real estate company has completed. Sorry I don't know how to upload the article.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 14, 2023 12:05:19 GMT
Has he ran a football club before?? He could be rich and a super business man, they still make mistakes and he trusted his staff. If he makes the same mistake then you have a case. All owners, managers, players etc will make mistakes. The best ones, learn from those mistakes. You have no idea of what has been happening, yet you are still banging on about JCH weeks after😂. I'm more worried about Bartons comments after, saying he hasn't even thought about signing a few agent and that he didn't know who was available. You should always have a plan B. I'm told by a trusted source that Mr Abdullatif Al-Saeed is indeed a director of a club in his homeland, but I do find that hard to believe as yet again there is no evidence of it anywhere and isn't included on his LinkedIn profile or mentioned in the programme article about the new owners, which having newly taken over another football club you would have thought that would've been worth a mention. The Peterborough Telegraph timeline and the subsequent Hard Truth podcast version of events matches up with what was reportedly told by Tom Gorringe to the forum moderator Gashead1981 and I'm sure you would agree that Gashead1981 has no reason to be telling porkies and therefore we do have an idea of what was happening. With all due respect, there is zero evidence the new owners had the means to personally write off £2.2million on one player and looks like when it came to the crunch we were found wanting, because there is absolutely no reason why having agreed a deal with 2 hours left of the deadline (and the Peterborough United Head of Football Operations even helping us speed up the paperwork) that we shouldn't have completed the paperwork and deal in plenty of time. If you want to believe poor old Bristol Rovers somehow simply missed the two deadlines by a matter of seconds/minutes (despite having 2 HOURS to get it over the line) then that is your prerogative, but it certainly doesn't wash with me. I'm still waiting for you to point me in the direction of evidence for these "huge projects" and "projects that would have cost multi millions" they were previously involved in, because despite exhaustive searches I still can't find any. Again, I would be grateful if you could point me in the right direction for info about these impressive sounding projects. Thanks, much appreciated. Pointless getting into the JCH debate again, it's not going to change now. It's funny how you mention what he said regarding the timeline. But you don't mention what he said about us having a big budget this season. The signings of Brown and Taylor that were wanted by championship clubs back that up. If he blamed the club, why did he say he wanted us to sign him in January? The fact that tried to sign him, is a pretty big sign. Do you really think the new owner rang and said send the paper work in late, as I'm not sure I can afford it??? 😂
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Post by singupgas on Sept 14, 2023 12:37:39 GMT
If the FM is off and once the South and SW stand is done could we turn our attention to seeking planning permission to revamp the other parts of the ground in a relatively low cost fashion? 1) Could the East Stand be extended (essentially bolting on an extension) towards the corners and in the short term keep terracing to the front all the way along? 2) Same with the West - could it be extended by bolting on a couple of additional boxes, additional seats below and terracing to the front. 3) Finally, complete rebuild of the North Terrace into a proper stand with bars, restaurant etc below where there will be plenty of space and in line with what we had permission for under Geoff Dunford? Say the rest of the Mem is rebuilt in same way the South Stand is. Yes it will be seated, but is it really a big step forward for the club? A bit smarter in areas, but I don't think the South Stand is going to have big indoor concourses with drinks, food, merch outlets..I think it will be quite open at the back still.
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Post by eric on Sept 14, 2023 12:51:57 GMT
If the FM is off and once the South and SW stand is done could we turn our attention to seeking planning permission to revamp the other parts of the ground in a relatively low cost fashion? 1) Could the East Stand be extended (essentially bolting on an extension) towards the corners and in the short term keep terracing to the front all the way along? 2) Same with the West - could it be extended by bolting on a couple of additional boxes, additional seats below and terracing to the front. 3) Finally, complete rebuild of the North Terrace into a proper stand with bars, restaurant etc below where there will be plenty of space and in line with what we had permission for under Geoff Dunford? Say the rest of the Mem is rebuilt in same way the South Stand is. Yes it will be seated, but is it really a big step forward for the club? A bit smarter in areas, but I don't think the South Stand is going to have big indoor concourses with drinks, food, merch outlets..I think it will be quite open at the back still. Depends what step forward for the club means I guess? If it was a relatively cheap overhaul it may not look as grand or have maxed out available revenue streams but the alternative, which many will demand, would cost maybe tens of millions and be carried as a long term debt if not being funded purely out of the owners own pockets. I don’t think our owners are in the same league as Lansdown so anyone thinking we’d get a similar upgrade to the Mem as he did with Ashton Gate might be a bit deluded.
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Post by percy on Sept 14, 2023 12:59:04 GMT
If the FM is off and once the South and SW stand is done could we turn our attention to seeking planning permission to revamp the other parts of the ground in a relatively low cost fashion? 1) Could the East Stand be extended (essentially bolting on an extension) towards the corners and in the short term keep terracing to the front all the way along? 2) Same with the West - could it be extended by bolting on a couple of additional boxes, additional seats below and terracing to the front. 3) Finally, complete rebuild of the North Terrace into a proper stand with bars, restaurant etc below where there will be plenty of space and in line with what we had permission for under Geoff Dunford? Say the rest of the Mem is rebuilt in same way the South Stand is. Yes it will be seated, but is it really a big step forward for the club? A bit smarter in areas, but I don't think the South Stand is going to have big indoor concourses with drinks, food, merch outlets..I think it will be quite open at the back still. There will be food, drink and toilets under the south concourse. Nothing special i'd guess IMHO it wont be this for all sides IF the plan is re redevelop and stay. There will need to be 1 or 2 with sizeable hospitality areas. North and East make most sense. So possibly something like- South seated semi perm finished 2024 North demo and build 6K stand with bars and hospitality 24-25 East stand demo and build 8k stand with corporate boxes, main hospitality, and areas for non match day use 25-26 West stand full length 5K semi perm like south stand 26-27 total cap 20-22K Finish by 2027 ish
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Post by eric on Sept 14, 2023 13:07:06 GMT
Say the rest of the Mem is rebuilt in same way the South Stand is. Yes it will be seated, but is it really a big step forward for the club? A bit smarter in areas, but I don't think the South Stand is going to have big indoor concourses with drinks, food, merch outlets..I think it will be quite open at the back still. There will be food, drink and toilets under the south concourse. Nothing special i'd guess IMHO it wont be this for all sides IF the plan is re redevelop and stay. There will need to be 1 or 2 with sizeable hospitality areas. North and East make most sense. So possibly something like- South seated semi perm finished 2024 North demo and build 6K stand with bars and hospitality 24-25 East stand demo and build 8k stand with corporate boxes, main hospitality, and areas for non match day use 25-26 West stand full length 5K semi perm like south stand 26-27 total cap 20-22K Finish by 2027 ish Would the East Stand need to be demolished rather than extended? It looks awful at the moment - almost like a 2 seater sofa sat alone against a long bare wall ! If it was able to be extended the full length of the pitch it would look a lot better? In the longer term perhaps seats over the existing terracing that sits in front?
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2023 13:08:18 GMT
I'm told by a trusted source that Mr Abdullatif Al-Saeed is indeed a director of a club in his homeland, but I do find that hard to believe as yet again there is no evidence of it anywhere and isn't included on his LinkedIn profile or mentioned in the programme article about the new owners, which having newly taken over another football club you would have thought that would've been worth a mention. The Peterborough Telegraph timeline and the subsequent Hard Truth podcast version of events matches up with what was reportedly told by Tom Gorringe to the forum moderator Gashead1981 and I'm sure you would agree that Gashead1981 has no reason to be telling porkies and therefore we do have an idea of what was happening. With all due respect, there is zero evidence the new owners had the means to personally write off £2.2million on one player and looks like when it came to the crunch we were found wanting, because there is absolutely no reason why having agreed a deal with 2 hours left of the deadline (and the Peterborough United Head of Football Operations even helping us speed up the paperwork) that we shouldn't have completed the paperwork and deal in plenty of time. If you want to believe poor old Bristol Rovers somehow simply missed the two deadlines by a matter of seconds/minutes (despite having 2 HOURS to get it over the line) then that is your prerogative, but it certainly doesn't wash with me. I'm still waiting for you to point me in the direction of evidence for these "huge projects" and "projects that would have cost multi millions" they were previously involved in, because despite exhaustive searches I still can't find any. Again, I would be grateful if you could point me in the right direction for info about these impressive sounding projects. Thanks, much appreciated. Pirate I'm not sure what programme article you are looking at but it says he is director of Kazma sporting club and also lists all the business the real estate company has completed. Sorry I don't know how to upload the article. Mr Asaad Al-Benwan is Chairman of Kasma SC and Mr Salem Al-Abkal, Mr Meshal Al-Hamad (Meshal Al-Hassan), Mr Yousef Bu Skandar, Mr Omar Al-Mulla, Mr Abdulmohsen Al-Bahar, Mr Bader Al-Kharafi and Mr Waleed Al-Yaqout are directors of the club, but once again our mystery takeaway fella is hard to find in relation to any directorship role. I thought maybe he could be found on the list for the clubs Governing Council or Club Committee, but again isn't amongst the names. Kasma SC Directors - kazmasc.com/%d9%85%d8%ac%d9%84%d8%b3-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a5%d8%af%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%a9-2/I know it was written Al Elmam "developed various projects, including multi-story group housing, residential townships, shopping malls, office buildings, hotels and restaurants", but that is what is basically written word for word on their elmamrealestate.com/index.html website too, but I'm still left without anything of substance to confirm. I just want to marvel at their expertise and see what these "projects that would have cost multi millions" (according to daniel300380) look like and what we can expect from them moving forward. So far what we have seen doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
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Post by madgas on Sept 14, 2023 13:21:08 GMT
The speculation over an article less sourced than most tweets is insufferable.
Per this thread the deal collapsed several times before. Yet, none of those were proven right. Relax.
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Post by BrightonGas on Sept 14, 2023 13:45:16 GMT
Say the rest of the Mem is rebuilt in same way the South Stand is. Yes it will be seated, but is it really a big step forward for the club? A bit smarter in areas, but I don't think the South Stand is going to have big indoor concourses with drinks, food, merch outlets..I think it will be quite open at the back still. There will be food, drink and toilets under the south concourse. Nothing special i'd guess IMHO it wont be this for all sides IF the plan is re redevelop and stay. There will need to be 1 or 2 with sizeable hospitality areas. North and East make most sense. So possibly something like- South seated semi perm finished 2024 North demo and build 6K stand with bars and hospitality 24-25 East stand demo and build 8k stand with corporate boxes, main hospitality, and areas for non match day use 25-26 West stand full length 5K semi perm like south stand 26-27 total cap 20-22K Finish by 2027 ish That sounds good Percy, when can you start?! 😂
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 14, 2023 13:53:20 GMT
Pirate I'm not sure what programme article you are looking at but it says he is director of Kazma sporting club and also lists all the business the real estate company has completed. Sorry I don't know how to upload the article. Mr Asaad Al-Benwan is Chairman of Kasma SC and Mr Salem Al-Abkal, Mr Meshal Al-Hamad (Meshal Al-Hassan), Mr Yousef Bu Skandar, Mr Omar Al-Mulla, Mr Abdulmohsen Al-Bahar, Mr Bader Al-Kharafi and Mr Waleed Al-Yaqout are directors of the club, but once again our mystery takeaway fella is hard to find in relation to any directorship role. I thought maybe he could be found on the list for the clubs Governing Council or Club Committee, but again isn't amongst the names. Kasma SC Directors - kazmasc.com/%d9%85%d8%ac%d9%84%d8%b3-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a5%d8%af%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%a9-2/I know it was written Al Elmam "developed various projects, including multi-story group housing, residential townships, shopping malls, office buildings, hotels and restaurants", but that is what is basically written word for word on their elmamrealestate.com/index.html website too, but I'm still left without anything of substance to confirm. I just want to marvel at their expertise and see what these "projects that would have cost multi millions" (according to daniel300380) look like and what we can expect from them moving forward. So far what we have seen doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Its clear to me that our new owners are here just to asset strip the club and have no interest in developing the club because you can find nothing good about them on the internet............. thats the only conclusion i can come to by your statements Wes and i fear for our club
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Post by yattongas on Sept 14, 2023 13:55:16 GMT
There will be food, drink and toilets under the south concourse. Nothing special i'd guess IMHO it wont be this for all sides IF the plan is re redevelop and stay. There will need to be 1 or 2 with sizeable hospitality areas. North and East make most sense. So possibly something like- South seated semi perm finished 2024 North demo and build 6K stand with bars and hospitality 24-25 East stand demo and build 8k stand with corporate boxes, main hospitality, and areas for non match day use 25-26 West stand full length 5K semi perm like south stand 26-27 total cap 20-22K Finish by 2027 ish Would the East Stand need to be demolished rather than extended? It looks awful at the moment - almost like a 2 seater sofa sat alone against a long bare wall ! If it was able to be extended the full length of the pitch it would look a lot better? In the longer term perhaps seats over the existing terracing that sits in front? 2 seat sofa ! That did make me laugh 😂
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Post by yattongas on Sept 14, 2023 13:58:21 GMT
Mr Asaad Al-Benwan is Chairman of Kasma SC and Mr Salem Al-Abkal, Mr Meshal Al-Hamad (Meshal Al-Hassan), Mr Yousef Bu Skandar, Mr Omar Al-Mulla, Mr Abdulmohsen Al-Bahar, Mr Bader Al-Kharafi and Mr Waleed Al-Yaqout are directors of the club, but once again our mystery takeaway fella is hard to find in relation to any directorship role. I thought maybe he could be found on the list for the clubs Governing Council or Club Committee, but again isn't amongst the names. Kasma SC Directors - kazmasc.com/%d9%85%d8%ac%d9%84%d8%b3-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a5%d8%af%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%a9-2/I know it was written Al Elmam "developed various projects, including multi-story group housing, residential townships, shopping malls, office buildings, hotels and restaurants", but that is what is basically written word for word on their elmamrealestate.com/index.html website too, but I'm still left without anything of substance to confirm. I just want to marvel at their expertise and see what these "projects that would have cost multi millions" (according to daniel300380) look like and what we can expect from them moving forward. So far what we have seen doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Its clear to me that our new owners are here just to asset strip the club and have know interest in developing the club because you can find nothing good about them on the internet............. thats the only conclusion i can come to by your statements Wes and i fear for our club Just because Wes can’t find out anything on his laptop sat in his bedroom means naff all , also calling him the takeaway fella is pretty insulting.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Sept 14, 2023 13:59:28 GMT
The speculation over an article less sourced than most tweets is insufferable. Per this thread the deal collapsed several times before. Yet, none of those were proven right. Relax. So, why haven’t the club said a word. To refute these headlines, as it did over Bright being sacked over the south stand ? It was only a couple of lines but they put that to bed quick enough
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 14, 2023 14:06:45 GMT
Its clear to me that our new owners are here just to asset strip the club and have know interest in developing the club because you can find nothing good about them on the internet............. thats the only conclusion i can come to by your statements Wes and i fear for our club Just because Wes can’t find out anything on his laptop sat in his bedroom means naff all , also calling him the takeaway fella is pretty insulting. I have just as much faith in Wes ability to find out this information as i do in Bristol Post's original article about the fruit loop stadium, yet people are taking that article as the truth and running with it
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Post by sodburygas on Sept 14, 2023 14:24:59 GMT
Pirate I'm not sure what programme article you are looking at but it says he is director of Kazma sporting club and also lists all the business the real estate company has completed. Sorry I don't know how to upload the article. Mr Asaad Al-Benwan is Chairman of Kasma SC and Mr Salem Al-Abkal, Mr Meshal Al-Hamad (Meshal Al-Hassan), Mr Yousef Bu Skandar, Mr Omar Al-Mulla, Mr Abdulmohsen Al-Bahar, Mr Bader Al-Kharafi and Mr Waleed Al-Yaqout are directors of the club, but once again our mystery takeaway fella is hard to find in relation to any directorship role. I thought maybe he could be found on the list for the clubs Governing Council or Club Committee, but again isn't amongst the names. Kasma SC Directors - kazmasc.com/%d9%85%d8%ac%d9%84%d8%b3-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a5%d8%af%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%a9-2/I know it was written Al Elmam "developed various projects, including multi-story group housing, residential townships, shopping malls, office buildings, hotels and restaurants", but that is what is basically written word for word on their elmamrealestate.com/index.html website too, but I'm still left without anything of substance to confirm. I just want to marvel at their expertise and see what these "projects that would have cost multi millions" (according to daniel300380) look like and what we can expect from them moving forward. So far what we have seen doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Hi Pirate. I was just letting you know that kazma was the club the programme article said he was director of, as you said it wasn't mentioned. You have clearly made your mind up about the new owners and that's fine but there is no point just taking bits from each piece of information to suit what you believe. Hope you are well and have a good day.
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Post by madgas on Sept 14, 2023 14:31:01 GMT
The speculation over an article less sourced than most tweets is insufferable. Per this thread the deal collapsed several times before. Yet, none of those were proven right. Relax. So, why haven’t the club said a word. To refute these headlines, as it did over Bright being sacked over the south stand ? It was only a couple of lines but they put that to bed quick enough Likely due to NDAs. Possibly because it's very difficult for the club to say anything without it becoming overblown. Could easierly overblow expectations. They said they would update us when they can- not respond to Bristol Post guff.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 14, 2023 14:39:51 GMT
8,500 seat stadium. Interesingly the total cost of the York City stadium was £44.2 million. If the 8,500 York City stadium cost £44.2 million to build, I'm wondering how much a 20,000 seater is likely to cost? Is the answer £88.4m + a little bit more as I know you have to remember to carry the remainder? Fckuin algebra...
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Post by philbemmygas on Sept 14, 2023 14:44:16 GMT
Mr Asaad Al-Benwan is Chairman of Kasma SC and Mr Salem Al-Abkal, Mr Meshal Al-Hamad (Meshal Al-Hassan), Mr Yousef Bu Skandar, Mr Omar Al-Mulla, Mr Abdulmohsen Al-Bahar, Mr Bader Al-Kharafi and Mr Waleed Al-Yaqout are directors of the club, but once again our mystery takeaway fella is hard to find in relation to any directorship role. I thought maybe he could be found on the list for the clubs Governing Council or Club Committee, but again isn't amongst the names. Kasma SC Directors - kazmasc.com/%d9%85%d8%ac%d9%84%d8%b3-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a5%d8%af%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%a9-2/I know it was written Al Elmam "developed various projects, including multi-story group housing, residential townships, shopping malls, office buildings, hotels and restaurants", but that is what is basically written word for word on their elmamrealestate.com/index.html website too, but I'm still left without anything of substance to confirm. I just want to marvel at their expertise and see what these "projects that would have cost multi millions" (according to daniel300380) look like and what we can expect from them moving forward. So far what we have seen doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Its clear to me that our new owners are here just to asset strip the club and have no interest in developing the club because you can find nothing good about them on the internet............. thats the only conclusion i can come to by your statements Wes and i fear for our club
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