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Post by percy on Sept 14, 2023 6:10:48 GMT
The club might as well come out, say yes it's true, we are walking away from FM. Why just keep leaving an already annoyed fan base in the dark. If Conygar are sensible (and let's assume they are) I'm sure there's a clause in whatever contracts or EOIs have been signed that says all parties have to approve any press-releases about ongoing negotiations. They're a business with various legal obligations that might be broken if any party they are in negotiations with says anything that could benefit or potentially hurt their business... Yep, people saying the club just need to make a statement maybe dont understand there could be NDA's in place to protect both businesses. As fans we may feel a "right" to info, but it wont trump a legal contract. Hold tight, we will know soon enough. |
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 14, 2023 6:11:11 GMT
The club might as well come out, say yes it's true, we are walking away from FM. Why just keep leaving an already annoyed fan base in the dark. If Conygar are sensible (and let's assume they are) I'm sure there's a clause in whatever contracts or EOIs have been signed that says all parties have to approve any press-releases about ongoing negotiations. They're a business with various legal obligations that might be broken if any party they are in negotiations with says anything that could benefit or potentially hurt their business... Contracts? I may be completely wrong here but this just feels like we were hopeful of being included in the development. I haven't seen any solid info that says we were a serious part of the FM project. Talks and the last update by Greg Cheevers only says that discussions were ongoing and the usual blah. Conygar will probably have a decent handful of residential and commercial options, which will be more attractive regardless of the guff about moving our club forwards and what Bristol needs. We just don't have much clout. And we won't be walking away, it'll be Conygar saying "thanks for your plans and commercials, but we're going to put 100 apartments there with a tesco extra underneath" Conygar have probably also done what half of this forum have, and googled the new owners. Then quickly realised that they aren't the real deal and a bit of a risk. (Disclaimer:I don't know anything about the new owners since I can't find anything on the www about them either🤔) Imagine asking our mob for the paperwork, "ISO14001 and 9001 please sir" TG-"I'm sorry, what? We've got these old pamphlets from Higgsys handover, is this ok?" 🤣 |
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 14, 2023 6:18:05 GMT
Glad someone else can see the obvious. It's not obvious though! We don't know. He could have no money, but at the same time he could be minted. People have explained to you that you can't see their websites in this country. You can see the old ones and they did some projects that would have cost multi millions at the time. So just because you can't see them now, which is normal. That means they lost all their money, even though they had millions to buy the club and we're going to spend a million on JCH. Nobody could ever work out how much Wael had, but he had a spare £20 million to write off debts. I wonder if many other English football club owners have such vague info on the owners? I genuinely don't know. How do the efl carry out the 'fit and proper persons test' if the bidders are invisible? A quick randomised search on a few other clubs reveals plenty of info on owners and business consortium's. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2023 6:18:09 GMT
I'm a little confused by this no one mentions their wealth, or what they are going to spend on the stadium, they are poker players, who give little away. Friends itk tell me he s a serious professional man, who will kick us on, evidenced by the JCH attempts.
When I see Baggins shopping, he s guarded too, he never mentions his new gold plated velar registration B4 GGS 😂 I'ts early and I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but the so-called JCH "attempts" are "evidence" of anything but a professional man who will "kick us on" and now pulling out of the new stadium talks definitely isn't "kicking us on"! |
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Post by percy on Sept 14, 2023 6:59:15 GMT
I'm a little confused by this no one mentions their wealth, or what they are going to spend on the stadium, they are poker players, who give little away. Friends itk tell me he s a serious professional man, who will kick us on, evidenced by the JCH attempts.
When I see Baggins shopping, he s guarded too, he never mentions his new gold plated velar registration B4 GGS 😂 I'ts early and I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but the so-called JCH "attempts" are "evidence" of anything but a professional man who will "kick us on" and now pulling out of the new stadium talks definitely isn't "kicking us on"! “And now pulling out of the new stadium talks” - point me to this fact please. It may be true. Repeating it as a fact doesn’t make it so. |
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Post by phillistine on Sept 14, 2023 7:31:31 GMT
I'ts early and I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but the so-called JCH "attempts" are "evidence" of anything but a professional man who will "kick us on" and now pulling out of the new stadium talks definitely isn't "kicking us on"! “And now pulling out of the new stadium talks” - point me to this fact please. It may be true. Repeating it as a fact doesn’t make it so. Surely pulling us out of the talks if they did not look right for Rovers is a good thing ? Focussing on what is best for the club and getting on with it is “ kicking us on” . As much as people are nervous at the south stand situation - you have to admit that the decision to continue with the build is “kicking us on” . The new owner seems to be fairly pro- active but he is dealing with situations he has inherited so it’s a little early to decide yet |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 14, 2023 7:37:21 GMT
“And now pulling out of the new stadium talks” - point me to this fact please. It may be true. Repeating it as a fact doesn’t make it so. Surely pulling us out of the talks if they did not look right for Rovers is a good thing ? Focussing on what is best for the club and getting on with it is “ kicking us on” . As much as people are nervous at the south stand situation - you have to admit that the decision to continue with the build is “kicking us on” . The new owner seems to be fairly pro- active but he is dealing with situations he has inherited so it’s a little early to decide yet Rovers must be the only EFL club where nothing ever looks right when it comes to either a new stadium or re-developing their present one. |
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Post by orgasmic on Sept 14, 2023 8:16:02 GMT
Surely pulling us out of the talks if they did not look right for Rovers is a good thing ? Focussing on what is best for the club and getting on with it is “ kicking us on” . As much as people are nervous at the south stand situation - you have to admit that the decision to continue with the build is “kicking us on” . The new owner seems to be fairly pro- active but he is dealing with situations he has inherited so it’s a little early to decide yet Rovers must be the only EFL club where nothing ever looks right when it comes to either a new stadium or re-developing their present one. Oxford |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 14, 2023 8:16:58 GMT
What’s better - a statement for the sake of it that might kill any semblance of a chance of getting a deal over the line?
Or staying silent for a little while longer to figure out plan A is definitely dead vs getting plan B onto the front burner.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 14, 2023 8:28:05 GMT
What’s better - a statement for the sake of it that might kill any semblance of a chance of getting a deal over the line? Or staying silent for a little while longer to figure out plan A is definitely dead vs getting plan B onto the front burner. If things really are as the article suggests and discussions are on a knife edge, confirming this in public won't help. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2023 8:41:37 GMT
What’s better - a statement for the sake of it that might kill any semblance of a chance of getting a deal over the line? Or staying silent for a little while longer to figure out plan A is definitely dead vs getting plan B onto the front burner. If things really are as the article suggests and discussions are on a knife edge, confirming this in public won't help. conygar may depend on us to get the area up and running and We probably hold a very good set of cards and may be trying for a final ace with a threat of pulling out. We already have a stadium and land. Maybe its us who are in charge for a change. |
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Post by Quarters on Sept 14, 2023 8:44:49 GMT
I'm a little confused by this no one mentions their wealth, or what they are going to spend on the stadium, they are poker players, who give little away. Friends itk tell me he s a serious professional man, who will kick us on, evidenced by the JCH attempts. When I see Baggins shopping, he s guarded too, he never mentions his new gold plated velar registration B4 GGS 😂 He may be a serious professional man, the players are professional men does not mean they will kick the club on, off the pitch. The expectation of the forum is that there is money available to kick the club on. Without that we are in an ongoing black hole. |
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Post by playtowin on Sept 14, 2023 9:13:31 GMT
I seem to recall (maybe incorrectly?) That when Rovers submitted their idea for a new North stand to the council ,they put forward that it would be more desireable if Rovers put forward their plans for development of the whole site.
Perhaps the thoughts were its better for all if there is noise and disruption for a year or two rather than continued noise and disruption over a 25 year period.
Even with grants i struggled to see where the board at the time would find millions required to build that north stand.
I suspect they looked at
Grant £2million
Supporter initiative £.5million
Director loans £.75 million.
Sponsorship of stand £.25 million ?
Bank loan £1.5 million.
The board realised this was fine for 1 stand...but thats the funds gone so no money for the rest of the ground.
Hence the exploration into student homes,shop and hotel.
The idea of these semi temp stands hadnt really been perfected back then.
These days i would look to replace all four sides with temp stands . Then explore perm structures and funding methods.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 14, 2023 9:30:05 GMT
Problem with the temp stands is they are less good for things like hospitality suites and concessions.
Imagine if you lost the East stand, you’d lose a hospitality suite, the club superstore, the bars. Quite a lot of offices there as well.
Lose the West Stand you lose all the executive boxes, changing rooms, proper toilet facilities, etc.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 14, 2023 9:58:49 GMT
Rovers must be the only EFL club where nothing ever looks right when it comes to either a new stadium or re-developing their present one. Oxford Oxford have already had one new 3 sided ground and are now in advanced talks to build another new one? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 14, 2023 10:00:29 GMT
Problem with the temp stands is they are less good for things like hospitality suites and concessions. Imagine if you lost the East stand, you’d loose a hospitality suite, the club superstore, the bars. Quite a lot of offices there as well. Lose the West Stand you lose all the executive boxes, changing rooms, proper toilet facilities, etc. Barnet's new stand behind their goal as a massive hospitality suit? We're not even restricted with space behind the East Stand? |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 14, 2023 10:07:21 GMT
Problem with the temp stands is they are less good for things like hospitality suites and concessions. Imagine if you lost the East stand, you’d loose a hospitality suite, the club superstore, the bars. Quite a lot of offices there as well. Lose the West Stand you lose all the executive boxes, changing rooms, proper toilet facilities, etc. Barnet's new stand behind their goal as a massive hospitality suit? We're not even restricted with space behind the East Stand? Still have to flatten them and rebuild them. I reckon flattening the East stand would take an off season alone before you could even replace it. |
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Post by heartofgas on Sept 14, 2023 10:09:07 GMT
Problem with the temp stands is they are less good for things like hospitality suites and concessions. Imagine if you lost the East stand, you’d loose a hospitality suite, the club superstore, the bars. Quite a lot of offices there as well. Lose the West Stand you lose all the executive boxes, changing rooms, proper toilet facilities, etc. Yes, I think that is the problem. For the north stand you can replace the bar with outlets on the concourse. Not much loss. For the east stand you will have to demolish quite a lot of the infrastructure. It's also where the PA is based. There are also a lot of the facilities stored along the back of the east stand which would all have to be relocated. I think there would be a lot more additional cost to that side of the ground. I guess it will depend on how long term we are going to be at the Mem and what is feasible crowd capacity wise (and what we actually need). I can see that spending £2-3M on North and South Semi permanent stands if we are going to be there for 5 to 10 years make sense but to spend a further £5M (at a guess) on an east side semi permanent stand makes no sense. Particularly if you are going to loose a lot of the match day facilities. I would say it would be a good indication of there being no plans for a new stadium if the east side were to go ahead. In hindsight, I think the fruit market was pretty much dead when the south stand was announced. I am assuming that when it was clear we weren't going to reach agreement they thought we better get something sorted on the Mem to improve facilities. Maybe that is why the south stand was rushed through. To get it built before it was revealed that the fruit market discussions had broken down. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 14, 2023 10:11:44 GMT
I'm a little confused by this no one mentions their wealth, or what they are going to spend on the stadium, they are poker players, who give little away. Friends itk tell me he s a serious professional man, who will kick us on, evidenced by the JCH attempts.
When I see Baggins shopping, he s guarded too, he never mentions his new gold plated velar registration B4 GGS 😂 I'ts early and I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but the so-called JCH "attempts" are "evidence" of anything but a professional man who will "kick us on" and now pulling out of the new stadium talks definitely isn't "kicking us on"! Has he ran a football club before?? He could be rich and a super business man, they still make mistakes and he trusted his staff. If he makes the same mistake then you have a case. All owners, managers, players etc will make mistakes. The best ones, learn from those mistakes. You have no idea of what has been happening, yet you are still banging on about JCH weeks after😂. I'm more worried about Bartons comments after, saying he hasn't even thought about signing a few agent and that he didn't know who was available. You should always have a plan B. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2023 11:16:38 GMT
I'ts early and I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but the so-called JCH "attempts" are "evidence" of anything but a professional man who will "kick us on" and now pulling out of the new stadium talks definitely isn't "kicking us on"! Has he ran a football club before?? He could be rich and a super business man, they still make mistakes and he trusted his staff. If he makes the same mistake then you have a case. All owners, managers, players etc will make mistakes. The best ones, learn from those mistakes. You have no idea of what has been happening, yet you are still banging on about JCH weeks after😂. I'm more worried about Bartons comments after, saying he hasn't even thought about signing a few agent and that he didn't know who was available. You should always have a plan B. I'm told by a trusted source that Mr Abdullatif Al-Saeed is indeed a director of a club in his homeland, but I do find that hard to believe as yet again there is no evidence of it anywhere and isn't included on his LinkedIn profile or mentioned in the programme article about the new owners, which having newly taken over another football club you would have thought that would've been worth a mention. The Peterborough Telegraph timeline and the subsequent Hard Truth podcast version of events matches up with what was reportedly told by Tom Gorringe to the forum moderator Gashead1981 and I'm sure you would agree that Gashead1981 has no reason to be telling porkies and therefore we do have an idea of what was happening. With all due respect, there is zero evidence the new owners had the means to personally write off £2.2million on one player and looks like when it came to the crunch we were found wanting, because there is absolutely no reason why having agreed a deal with 2 hours left of the deadline (and the Peterborough United Head of Football Operations even helping us speed up the paperwork) that we shouldn't have completed the paperwork and deal in plenty of time. If you want to believe poor old Bristol Rovers somehow simply missed the two deadlines by a matter of seconds/minutes (despite having 2 HOURS to get it over the line) then that is your prerogative, but it certainly doesn't wash with me. I'm still waiting for you to point me in the direction of evidence for these "huge projects" and "projects that would have cost multi millions" they were previously involved in, because despite exhaustive searches I still can't find any. Again, I would be grateful if you could point me in the right direction for info about these impressive sounding projects. Thanks, much appreciated. |
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