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Post by eric on Sept 13, 2023 20:16:59 GMT
Reading one of the other threads where someone usefully provided an archive of newspaper clippings, there was mention of a £2m - £3m grant available when Dunford successfully got planning permission for a 5000 seater North Stand. Do such grants still exist and if so from where?
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Post by gascloud on Sept 13, 2023 20:17:19 GMT
percy , a potentially promising option abroad worth monitoring. Caught the eye with decent data, a 2022 Excellence in Service Award and gross revenue reported in December 2022 as $414m with net revenue $85m. Good quality up to date website with links that actually work. Impressive clips online. Early impressions are promising and would certainly be one to keep an eye on 👀 🤣😉😘 Nice! Needs more embedded tweets though. 7/10 |
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Post by eric on Sept 13, 2023 20:20:46 GMT
It does feel we are a bit jinxed by changing circumstances and why I’m becoming cynical that a new build working with third parties (UWE and wider FM development) which have so many moving parts and variables make the odds on a successful outcome being poor. I’ve never been a fan of the Mem being developed but realistically I suspect it’s going to fast become our only option - hopefully our owners can make the numbers work. As I recall, the revamp of the Mem was stopped in favour of the UWE and no other reason than that but I may be wrong I thought the Mem redevelopment (The one under Higgs and not the earlier one under Geoff Dunford) collapsed because of the financial crash in 2008? UWE started going pear shaped when Sainsbury’s decided on a change of strategy and pulled out of buying the Mem. The FM may also fail because of uncertain economic circumstances? |
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Post by gascloud on Sept 13, 2023 20:22:45 GMT
Nice! Needs more embedded tweets though. 7/10 I meant to say…Carlisle are a mess of a club, look at that stand! It’s not even in line with the pitch for christs sake. Been like this for years, who on earth was responsible for that decision? He needs to go, useless. Blah blah etc |
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 13, 2023 20:27:46 GMT
As I recall, the revamp of the Mem was stopped in favour of the UWE and no other reason than that but I may be wrong I thought the Mem redevelopment (The one under Higgs and not the earlier one under Geoff Dunford) collapsed because of the financial crash in 2008? UWE started going pear shaped when Sainsbury’s decided on a change of strategy and pulled out of buying the Mem. The FM may also fail because of uncertain economic circumstances? That was my understanding too from memory the appetite was no longer there for student flats due to the crashing economy. It just seems we take so bloody long to get these projects started that the world changes and leaves us behind. I've always been for a new stadium elsewhere but if this latest pipe dream fails then I don't want another drawn out saga resulting in fu*k all to show for it and want to just redevelop the mem whatever that may mean. I'm getting too old and sick of these futile attempts at progressing this club. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2023 20:47:00 GMT
As I recall, the revamp of the Mem was stopped in favour of the UWE and no other reason than that but I may be wrong I thought the Mem redevelopment (The one under Higgs and not the earlier one under Geoff Dunford) collapsed because of the financial crash in 2008? UWE started going pear shaped when Sainsbury’s decided on a change of strategy and pulled out of buying the Mem. The FM may also fail because of uncertain economic circumstances? The proposed new North Stand was abandoned in favour of what became the full revamp with Opel running the student lets. That fell through because of the financial crisis and Opel went bust a few years later. UWE then came up. |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 13, 2023 20:52:57 GMT
I thought the Mem redevelopment (The one under Higgs and not the earlier one under Geoff Dunford) collapsed because of the financial crash in 2008? UWE started going pear shaped when Sainsbury’s decided on a change of strategy and pulled out of buying the Mem. The FM may also fail because of uncertain economic circumstances? That was my understanding too from memory the appetite was no longer there for student flats due to the crashing economy. It just seems we take so bloody long to get these projects started that the world changes and leaves us behind. I've always been for a new stadium elsewhere but if this latest pipe dream fails then I don't want another drawn out saga resulting in fu*k all to show for it and want to just redevelop the mem whatever that may mean. I'm getting too old and sick of these futile attempts at progressing this club. In program Aug 2009 GD said the Revamp was due to start in the autumn of 2009, it didn't obviously and I cannot find any updates on the revamp after that. The UWE was announced in June 2011 so between these times it was decided the revamp would stop, agreements made with the UWE and Sainsbury's and plans were drawn up. My memory is getting a bit dodgy but I am convinced NH said the stadium revamp was stopped in favour of the UWE |
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 13, 2023 20:54:22 GMT
I thought the Mem redevelopment (The one under Higgs and not the earlier one under Geoff Dunford) collapsed because of the financial crash in 2008? UWE started going pear shaped when Sainsbury’s decided on a change of strategy and pulled out of buying the Mem. The FM may also fail because of uncertain economic circumstances? The proposed new North Stand was abandoned in favour of what became the full revamp with Opel running the student lets. That fell through because of the financial crisis and Opel went bust a few years later. UWE then came up. I can't remember the proposed new north stand. Were there ever any pics of it? |
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Post by ricardo on Sept 13, 2023 21:01:31 GMT
The proposed new North Stand was abandoned in favour of what became the full revamp with Opel running the student lets. That fell through because of the financial crisis and Opel went bust a few years later. UWE then came up. I can't remember the proposed new north stand. Were there ever any pics of it? |
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Post by ricardo on Sept 13, 2023 21:02:26 GMT
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 13, 2023 21:13:35 GMT
Thanks for that Ricardo. I cannot remember that north stand only design at all. |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Sept 13, 2023 21:34:35 GMT
Refereed once at Gresley Rovers in Derbyshire.The roof of their new stand projected over the Touchline so the agreement at the time was if the ball hit the roof we should stop the game and re-start with a drop ball.Weird.
Northern Prem now but West Midland's League in my day.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 13, 2023 23:15:23 GMT
Reading one of the other threads where someone usefully provided an archive of newspaper clippings, there was mention of a £2m - £3m grant available when Dunford successfully got planning permission for a 5000 seater North Stand. Do such grants still exist and if so from where? It was me that “usefully provided” it Eric. How come you didn’t ‘dislike’ it? |
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2023 0:13:42 GMT
Reading one of the other threads where someone usefully provided an archive of newspaper clippings, there was mention of a £2m - £3m grant available when Dunford successfully got planning permission for a 5000 seater North Stand. Do such grants still exist and if so from where? The Football Stadia Improvement Fund later became the Premier League Stadium Fund is the only one I'm aware of. These days "grants are available to clubs who play in Steps 1 to 6 of the National League System, Tiers 1 to 4 of the Women's Football Pyramid and clubs promoted into the English Football League." York City for example had £2 million loaned (and later converted into a grant) for the construction of their 8,500 seat stadium. Interesingly the total cost of the York City stadium was £44.2 million. |
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Post by Westy on Sept 14, 2023 0:29:21 GMT
For me all I want to know once the dust has settled is the following.. If our new owners have come in and looked at this and within a few weeks of being here have decided that it's a sh** deal and we're walking away then fine. However .... If that does turn out to be the case then Waels position surely has to be questioned as if they can look at it and see it's sh** within a few weeks of being here then what has taken wael 4 years? How many more deals though? We've turned down so many over so many years and so many owners. Are we truly waiting for a unicorn to say "here's a £100m, build a stadium, £1 peppercorn rent 10000 years, all income to BRFC" Either we don't have the money to buy our own new stadium, or we can stay squabbling outside for a better deal that's never coming. I think it's clear we don't have the money, never did, actually and even with new owners doesn't look like we have much money now either 🤷♂️ I can't keep scratching these lottery tickets fast enough 🤣 |
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Post by supergas on Sept 14, 2023 2:26:50 GMT
Probably leaked by the club so we know what to expect when CI submit their plans for the FM site by the end of the year? As far as approaching the club are they still speaking to the them, or is it just JB acting like a spoilt child and refusing to speak to them? The club might as well come out, say yes it's true, we are walking away from FM. Why just keep leaving an already annoyed fan base in the dark. If Conygar are sensible (and let's assume they are) I'm sure there's a clause in whatever contracts or EOIs have been signed that says all parties have to approve any press-releases about ongoing negotiations. They're a business with various legal obligations that might be broken if any party they are in negotiations with says anything that could benefit or potentially hurt their business... |
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2023 5:02:42 GMT
For me all I want to know once the dust has settled is the following.. If our new owners have come in and looked at this and within a few weeks of being here have decided that it's a sh** deal and we're walking away then fine. However .... If that does turn out to be the case then Waels position surely has to be questioned as if they can look at it and see it's sh** within a few weeks of being here then what has taken wael 4 years? I think it's clear we don't have the money, never did, actually and even with new owners doesn't look like we have much money now either Glad someone else can see the obvious. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 14, 2023 5:28:55 GMT
I think it's clear we don't have the money, never did, actually and even with new owners doesn't look like we have much money now either Glad someone else can see the obvious. It's not obvious though! We don't know. He could have no money, but at the same time he could be minted. People have explained to you that you can't see their websites in this country. You can see the old ones and they did some projects that would have cost multi millions at the time. So just because you can't see them now, which is normal. That means they lost all their money, even though they had millions to buy the club and we're going to spend a million on JCH. Nobody could ever work out how much Wael had, but he had a spare £20 million to write off debts. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2023 5:56:46 GMT
Glad someone else can see the obvious. It's not obvious though! We don't know. He could have no money, but at the same time he could be minted. People have explained to you that you can't see their websites in this country. You can see the old ones and they did some projects that would have cost multi millions at the time. So just because you can't see them now, which is normal. That means they lost all their money, even though they had millions to buy the club and we're going to spend a million on JCH. Nobody could ever work out how much Wael had, but he had a spare £20 million to write off debts. Right, so we can't see their "real" websites in this country, but can only see the old ones for some reason. Sounds legit. The 'old' websites didn't have any evidence of "multi million" deals either, but once again, I would be grateful if you could point me in the right direction and I'm happy to be proved wrong. If what you are saying is correct, it seems strange that the Elmam Real Estate is still listed on the MUQAWLAT KUWAIT site (a gateway for clients in the world of construction and contracting) with the same website details and as part of the members club you have to presume the details are correct. The real estate company has the same PO BOX contact address as Foodco and the website listed ( elmamrealestate.com/index.html ) is the very same so-called 'old website' that we can supposedly only see in this country. kw.muqawlat.com/en/club/contractors/view/1205 |
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 14, 2023 6:05:51 GMT
I'm a little confused by this no one mentions their wealth, or what they are going to spend on the stadium, they are poker players, who give little away.
Friends itk tell me he s a serious professional man, who will kick us on, evidenced by the JCH attempts.
When I see Baggins shopping, he s guarded too, he never mentions his new gold plated velar registration B4 GGS 😂
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