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Post by percy on Sept 13, 2023 16:22:05 GMT
Leaking possible alternatives (however unlikely to happen) to the press as a negotiation tactic?
Can't be. Because of the deafening silence.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 13, 2023 16:23:21 GMT
Might start an owner wishlist thread... "This american multi billionaire caught the eye recently, one to watch" "I posted 18 youtube clips on one post about this UAE based businessman 12 years ago, and look, he's just invested £300bn in Morecombe" (yes I am bored of no football to discuss) Meow I sense you're a little catty, did one of my replies touch a nerve? I know the truth hurts, but put the claws away! 🐈🤣 Come on …. It was bloody funny ! No harm done . 😀 |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 13, 2023 16:41:26 GMT
Leaking possible alternatives (however unlikely to happen) to the press as a negotiation tactic?Can't be. Because of the deafening silence. Are we clever enough to do that? Considering we failed to complete a transfer within 2 hours i have my doubts |
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Post by pirate on Sept 13, 2023 16:58:56 GMT
percy, a potentially promising option abroad worth monitoring. Caught the eye with decent data, a 2022 Excellence in Service Award and gross revenue reported in December 2022 as $414m with net revenue $85m. Good quality up to date website with links that actually work. Impressive clips online. Early impressions are promising and would certainly be one to keep an eye on 👀 🤣😉😘
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Post by percy on Sept 13, 2023 16:59:55 GMT
Leaking possible alternatives (however unlikely to happen) to the press as a negotiation tactic?Can't be. Because of the deafening silence. Are we clever enough to do that? Considering we failed to complete a transfer within 2 hours i have my doubts True, just saying we dont know even if some are repeatedly claim their view as fact (not you)! Would we more likely to be silent if contract negotiations are ongoing? Or does the lack of a statement proves the article is true?! Who knows. |
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Post by percy on Sept 13, 2023 17:00:52 GMT
percy , a potentially promising option abroad worth monitoring. Caught the eye with decent data, a 2022 Excellence in Service Award and gross revenue reported in December 2022 as $414m with net revenue $85m. Good quality up to date website with links that actually work. Impressive clips online. Early impressions are promising and would certainly be one to keep an eye on 👀 🤣😉😘 Nice! Needs more embedded tweets though. 7/10 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2023 17:01:47 GMT
Leaking possible alternatives (however unlikely to happen) to the press as a negotiation tactic?Can't be. Because of the deafening silence. Are we clever enough to do that? Considering we failed to complete a transfer within 2 hours i have my doubts Possibly it's a negotiating tactic the new owners have successfully tried in the past, although I sense that's just living in hope. |
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 13, 2023 17:01:56 GMT
For me all I want to know once the dust has settled is the following..
If our new owners have come in and looked at this and within a few weeks of being here have decided that it's a sh** deal and we're walking away then fine.
However ....
If that does turn out to be the case then Waels position surely has to be questioned as if they can look at it and see it's sh** within a few weeks of being here then what has taken wael 4 years?
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 13, 2023 17:10:45 GMT
Are we clever enough to do that? Considering we failed to complete a transfer within 2 hours i have my doubts Possibly it's a negotiating tactic the new owners have successfully tried in the past, although I sense that's just living in hope.You've summed up being a Gashead perfectly there, Topper. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2023 17:11:06 GMT
We can only speculate as the club aren't communicating as per usual. I just wonder how James Piercy came by this information and why, having written this seemingly informed article, he doesn't seem to have approached the club for comment. Probably leaked by the club so we know what to expect when CI submit their plans for the FM site by the end of the year? As far as approaching the club are they still speaking to the them, or is it just JB acting like a spoilt child and refusing to speak to them? |
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Post by singupgas on Sept 13, 2023 17:16:00 GMT
I just wonder how James Piercy came by this information and why, having written this seemingly informed article, he doesn't seem to have approached the club for comment. Probably leaked by the club so we know what to expect when CI submit their plans for the FM site by the end of the year? As far as approaching the club are they still speaking to the them, or is it just JB acting like a spoilt child and refusing to speak to them? The club might as well come out, say yes it's true, we are walking away from FM. Why just keep leaving an already annoyed fan base in the dark. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2023 17:18:08 GMT
Spent 10 mins of my lunchtime looking at google maps aerial view of the Mem and surrounding roads. If we are seriously thinking of a 18-20K ground there, we know space isnt the problem. The problem is the surrounding houses, for impact and planning but also entrance and egress of twice as many supporters. Plus any non-match day events. Widening the access for one of the two roads behind the north stand would probably be needed. Meaning needing to but at least a couple of houses. There is no easy way to link the East/south to Muller Rd and re-opening the Alton Rd exit is probably an non-starter. Think this is why it will continue to be a non-starter. Unless we are happy with a 12-15K all seater with better facilities and losing money until we make the Prem! Despite those issues we still got full pp in the past for an 18K stadium, I doubt planning laws have changed that much to stop us getting pp again for a similar size stadium, who do City manage with a 27K stadium? |
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Post by eric on Sept 13, 2023 17:27:28 GMT
If the FM deal was based on us giving up the Mem in a direct exchange for the stadium build is it likely to be the case that the developer is trying to move the goalposts as the profit from a housing development is now at risk due to the economy and falling house prices? If they were planning on building 200 houses at £x per unit and the unit price is reducing significantly their potential profit margin will be taking a big hit. Might explain why the Post was talking about a reduced capacity stadium as that is what their revised profit projections would afford them to build?
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 13, 2023 17:31:30 GMT
If the FM deal was based on us giving up the Mem in a direct exchange for the stadium build is it likely to be the case that the developer is trying to move the goalposts as the profit from a housing development is now at risk due to the economy and falling house prices? If they were planning on building 200 houses at £x per unit and the unit price is reducing significantly their potential profit margin will be taking a big hit. Might explain why the Post was talking about a reduced capacity stadium as that is what their revised profit projections would afford them to build? If that is the case then we really are cursed arnt we. From memory the rebuild of the mem collapsed due to the financial crisis then the Sainsbury's purchase of the mem due to another financial crisis then the fruit market due to COVID delaying resulting in the impending financial crisis. 🤦 |
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Post by Gassy on Sept 13, 2023 18:17:25 GMT
If the FM deal was based on us giving up the Mem in a direct exchange for the stadium build is it likely to be the case that the developer is trying to move the goalposts as the profit from a housing development is now at risk due to the economy and falling house prices? If they were planning on building 200 houses at £x per unit and the unit price is reducing significantly their potential profit margin will be taking a big hit. Might explain why the Post was talking about a reduced capacity stadium as that is what their revised profit projections would afford them to build? Not a bad guesstimate tbf. Would need to read the article again but my feeling at the time of reading was that we wanted even bigger than the 17-20k, but could be wrong. Either way, I think prices have dropped about 3% which I wouldn’t imagine would have huge effects? On top of that, the article also mentioned that we couldn’t even agree yet on revenue distribution so it sounds like we’re miles away anyway. I’d imagine it takes 6 months to write up a stadium plan for planning permission? Considering it needs to be submitted by March 2024 I think it’s extremely unlikely at this point we get it all sorted in time? |
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Post by Russgas on Sept 13, 2023 18:25:09 GMT
If the FM deal was based on us giving up the Mem in a direct exchange for the stadium build is it likely to be the case that the developer is trying to move the goalposts as the profit from a housing development is now at risk due to the economy and falling house prices? If they were planning on building 200 houses at £x per unit and the unit price is reducing significantly their potential profit margin will be taking a big hit. Might explain why the Post was talking about a reduced capacity stadium as that is what their revised profit projections would afford them to build? That is a fair point, but why does everybody think houses would be built, why not flats? developers could easily get away with the extra height and they are far more profitable. Property prices falling is only a blip they will never lose out long term and the site is in a prime location and worth far more than people think. I think building a reduced capacity stadium will have more to do with the savings on materials than anything else. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2023 18:33:28 GMT
If the FM deal was based on us giving up the Mem in a direct exchange for the stadium build is it likely to be the case that the developer is trying to move the goalposts as the profit from a housing development is now at risk due to the economy and falling house prices? If they were planning on building 200 houses at £x per unit and the unit price is reducing significantly their potential profit margin will be taking a big hit. Might explain why the Post was talking about a reduced capacity stadium as that is what their revised profit projections would afford them to build? That is a fair point, but why does everybody think houses would be built, why not flats? developers could easily get away with the extra height and they are far more profitable. Property prices falling is only a blip they will never lose out long term and the site is in a prime location and worth far more than people think. I think building a reduced capacity stadium will have more to do with the savings on materials than anything else. will be multi level densely built flats. That's where the money is for the developer. Land is too precious in the area to waste it on gardens. |
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Post by eric on Sept 13, 2023 19:47:32 GMT
If the FM deal was based on us giving up the Mem in a direct exchange for the stadium build is it likely to be the case that the developer is trying to move the goalposts as the profit from a housing development is now at risk due to the economy and falling house prices? If they were planning on building 200 houses at £x per unit and the unit price is reducing significantly their potential profit margin will be taking a big hit. Might explain why the Post was talking about a reduced capacity stadium as that is what their revised profit projections would afford them to build? If that is the case then we really are cursed arnt we. From memory the rebuild of the mem collapsed due to the financial crisis then the Sainsbury's purchase of the mem due to another financial crisis then the fruit market due to COVID delaying resulting in the impending financial crisis. 🤦 It does feel we are a bit jinxed by changing circumstances and why I’m becoming cynical that a new build working with third parties (UWE and wider FM development) which have so many moving parts and variables make the odds on a successful outcome being poor. I’ve never been a fan of the Mem being developed but realistically I suspect it’s going to fast become our only option - hopefully our owners can make the numbers work. |
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Post by Smithy Gas on Sept 13, 2023 20:09:57 GMT
I’ve said it before and someone just alluded to it again but as long as someone can pay for it the Mem revamp with student accommodation is a decent option. Clearly at the time (and all previous and subsequent schemes) who funds our stadium has been the issue.
If the new guys have got cash then student accommodation is a decent ROI and there is still a chronic shortage in Bristol (see current press with students being shipped off to Newport etc.)
How that plays with Rovers I don’t know. Same as last time. The SA paid the debt to build the stadium but after that I don’t know what was left to fund the football club - I think there was a hotel, gym etc. but something needs to be in hands of Rovers to generate income.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 13, 2023 20:16:46 GMT
If that is the case then we really are cursed arnt we. From memory the rebuild of the mem collapsed due to the financial crisis then the Sainsbury's purchase of the mem due to another financial crisis then the fruit market due to COVID delaying resulting in the impending financial crisis. 🤦 It does feel we are a bit jinxed by changing circumstances and why I’m becoming cynical that a new build working with third parties (UWE and wider FM development) which have so many moving parts and variables make the odds on a successful outcome being poor. I’ve never been a fan of the Mem being developed but realistically I suspect it’s going to fast become our only option - hopefully our owners can make the numbers work. As I recall, the revamp of the Mem was stopped in favour of the UWE and no other reason than that but I may be wrong |
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