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Post by supergas on Jun 11, 2022 10:36:08 GMT
I was thinking about AFC Wimbledon, who I have a soft spot for and was pleased to see their return to their spiritual homeland in a shiny new stadium. However, it hasn't all been lovely. They ran out of funding for the stadium and had to go to the fans for more, the stadium is not really finished, with temporary stands in place (top quality ones though, with roofs and everything, unlike our tents), they have announced they will now groundshare with London Broncos, and they got relegated last season!! So I don't know what that proves, if anything, but it just interests me to see how other clubs get on as they develop new facilities. I too have a soft spot for AFC Wimbledon but my understanding was the plan was always to just build the one permanent stand (the East stand with the corporate boxes, TV/media facilities, changing rooms and most of the food/drink areas) and then temporary stands on the other three sides - yes they had money issues even getting that far because of banks/Covid but I thought their plan was always to just fully build one side plus three temporary ones that they can/will knock down and replace as and when required in the future. It's not a bad model when you think about it, almost MK Dons v2.0...building what you need right now but knowing exactly how to improve it when you need to... |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jun 11, 2022 10:54:11 GMT
(top quality ones though, with roofs and everything, unlike our tents. (aghast).
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If only we would replace the quite awful South Tent with something similar then when the new build comes in 50 years time ,we could sell it on.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 11, 2022 15:45:39 GMT
(top quality ones though, with roofs and everything, unlike our tents. (aghast). Gas ******** If only we would replace the quite awful South Tent with something similar then when the new build comes in 50 years time ,we could sell it on. Why are you so obsessed with replacing the South Stand, given its now basically a stand for away fans what are home fans going to gain from the club spending £m's on a new stand, apart from making photos of the ground look a bit better in the future. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2022 10:03:08 GMT
(top quality ones though, with roofs and everything, unlike our tents. (aghast). Gas ******** If only we would replace the quite awful South Tent with something similar then when the new build comes in 50 years time ,we could sell it on. Why are you so obsessed with replacing the South Stand, given its now basically a stand for away fans what are home fans going to gain from the club spending £m's on a new stand, apart from making photos of the ground look a bit better in the future. Absolutely right, just throwing away more money. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 10:32:30 GMT
Personally I don’t see a future at the Mem. Anything other than token efforts to improve the match day experience until we leave is wasted effort imo. Would much rather the club doubles down on trying to get a new stadium sorted asap.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 10:34:59 GMT
Why are you so obsessed with replacing the South Stand, given its now basically a stand for away fans what are home fans going to gain from the club spending £m's on a new stand, apart from making photos of the ground look a bit better in the future. Absolutely right, just throwing away more money. If we were able to deliver something which pays back over the 4 years I expect we still have at the Mem then it’s worth doing but I expect we’ve already done all we can with the stand situation. I expect we could possibly do more on pre and post match experience eg fan zones or the awful toilet situation in some parts of the ground but that’s probably about it for now. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2022 10:41:29 GMT
Absolutely right, just throwing away more money. If we were able to deliver something which pays back over the 4 years I expect we still have at the Mem then it’s worth doing but I expect we’ve already done all we can with the stand situation. I expect we could possibly do more on pre and post match experience eg fan zones or the awful toilet situation in some parts of the ground but that’s probably about it for now. If we are genuinely looking to be in a new stadium then i would expect the bare minimum to be spent and it would cause me concern if we spent large sums. I’m know we’ve are in need of big improvements but it really would be chucking money away, that could be used when or if we move. My niece is now not able to go, with her two kids due to being removed from the south stand. I don’t have the answers but i hope the club are doing the right thing , in doing what we have. |
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Post by kruger on Jun 12, 2022 10:44:48 GMT
If we were able to deliver something which pays back over the 4 years I expect we still have at the Mem then it’s worth doing but I expect we’ve already done all we can with the stand situation. I expect we could possibly do more on pre and post match experience eg fan zones or the awful toilet situation in some parts of the ground but that’s probably about it for now. If we are genuinely looking to be in a new stadium then i would expect the bare minimum to be spent and it would cause me concern if we spent large sums. I’m know we’ve are in need of big improvements but it really would be chucking money away, that could be used when or if we move. My niece is now not able to go, with her two kids due to being removed from the south stand. I don’t have the answers but i hope the club are doing the right thing , in doing what we have. What am I missing here, why can't they sit somewhere else? |
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Post by playtowin on Jun 12, 2022 10:45:46 GMT
If we were able to deliver something which pays back over the 4 years I expect we still have at the Mem then it’s worth doing but I expect we’ve already done all we can with the stand situation. I expect we could possibly do more on pre and post match experience eg fan zones or the awful toilet situation in some parts of the ground but that’s probably about it for now. If we are genuinely looking to be in a new stadium then i would expect the bare minimum to be spent and it would cause me concern if we spent large sums. I’m know we’ve are in need of big improvements but it really would be chucking money away, that could be used when or if we move. My niece is now not able to go, with her two kids due to being removed from the south stand. I don’t have the answers but i hope the club are doing the right thing , in doing what we have. Im guessing its far easier to adapt the away capacity in a seated stand. As you only need that matting stuff to create a divide. With the terrace its solid fencing in a fixed spot and a large void area. Regardless if its 5 fans or 500. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 10:50:23 GMT
If we were able to deliver something which pays back over the 4 years I expect we still have at the Mem then it’s worth doing but I expect we’ve already done all we can with the stand situation. I expect we could possibly do more on pre and post match experience eg fan zones or the awful toilet situation in some parts of the ground but that’s probably about it for now. If we are genuinely looking to be in a new stadium then i would expect the bare minimum to be spent and it would cause me concern if we spent large sums. I’m know we’ve are in need of big improvements but it really would be chucking money away, that could be used when or if we move. My niece is now not able to go, with her two kids due to being removed from the south stand. I don’t have the answers but i hope the club are doing the right thing , in doing what we have. It’s mostly about ROI. If it returns before we go then it would be stupid not to invest. Problem is there’s little that can be done in a cost effective manner with short term payback. Then there’s toilet facilities where a modest sum could improve a water poor situation (pun intended) and improve club image. ROI there being less people put off the club due to dire facilities. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2022 11:07:05 GMT
If we are genuinely looking to be in a new stadium then i would expect the bare minimum to be spent and it would cause me concern if we spent large sums. I’m know we’ve are in need of big improvements but it really would be chucking money away, that could be used when or if we move. My niece is now not able to go, with her two kids due to being removed from the south stand. I don’t have the answers but i hope the club are doing the right thing , in doing what we have. Im guessing its far easier to adapt the away capacity in a seated stand. As you only need that matting stuff to create a divide. With the terrace its solid fencing in a fixed spot and a large void area. Regardless if its 5 fans or 500. Answering KP's post, the South Stand will still be available for games against teams with lower away followings? The other option is the former (returning?) family terrace if they are old enough to be able to stand for a full game. |
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Post by playtowin on Jun 12, 2022 11:18:12 GMT
Personally I don’t see a future at the Mem. Anything other than token efforts to improve the match day experience until we leave is wasted effort imo. Would much rather the club doubles down on trying to get a new stadium sorted asap. I dont think a rebuild of the mem is viable. You could rebuild each stand as best as possible in its current spots. However,im not sure you could get much in return for the costs. Changes at the mem needed to have been started back in the Dunford days.It would have still left the club seeking a new stadium but the Mem would have been better and championship ready. The irony is they should have halted the building of the west stand before it opened. Put in new planning and demolished what they had built. Instead building a full length fully seated stand with just the usual concourse facilities. That would itself have proved the minimum required seating. Yes officials and players would have had to use portakabins longer. Tempory buildings in the carpark would then allow the demolition of the east stand. Again building a full length multi-tiered stand This time with corporate stuff,changing rooms etc etc. Those two stands would then offer the capacity to allow the north terrace to be demolished and a new stand with facilities to be built. The south stand end would eventually become a perm seated stand.As a family stand im sure the access could be from the unused turnstiles behind. The idea of moving to cheltenham or newport for a few years is massively expensive for the club and fans. Bath city just is not a good enough pitch and can we afford to create a good pitch there as well ? The only option for TODAY is to build a new stadium on a new site. The option of a revamped Mem has passed ,previous boards failed in that regard. |
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Post by betterdeadthanred on Jun 12, 2022 18:37:55 GMT
Soil samples were being taken at the Fruit Market last week so assume once these have been tested they will feed into any feasibility study ahead of a potential agreement/sign off to develop the site.
Exciting info here on the world of soil testing if you have no paint to watch drying.....
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Post by Squiffy on Jun 12, 2022 19:38:25 GMT
Soil samples were being taken at the Fruit Market last week so assume once these have been tested they will feed into any feasibility study ahead of a potential agreement/sign off to develop the site.
Exciting info here on the world of soil testing if you have no paint to watch drying.....
A soil test is normally to establish if there is any contamination which would require remediation whereas a trial pit is to determine the sub surface strata to inform foundation design. Given that it is located in former marsh land do you mean the latter as I’m not aware that there has been any heavy industry on the site which would require the former? |
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Post by yattongas on Jun 12, 2022 19:54:48 GMT
Soil samples were being taken at the Fruit Market last week so assume once these have been tested they will feed into any feasibility study ahead of a potential agreement/sign off to develop the site.
Exciting info here on the world of soil testing if you have no paint to watch drying.....
A soil test is normally to establish if there is any contamination which would require remediation whereas a trial pit is to determine the sub surface strata to inform foundation design. Given that it is located in former marsh land do you mean the latter as I’m not aware that there has been any heavy industry on the site which would require the former? Ain’t got a clue what I’m talking about but if it’s former marsh land then I’d guess the footings will have to go down a lot further and this will be more costly ? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2022 20:20:48 GMT
Personally I don’t see a future at the Mem. Anything other than token efforts to improve the match day experience until we leave is wasted effort imo. Would much rather the club doubles down on trying to get a new stadium sorted asap. I dont think a rebuild of the mem is viable. You could rebuild each stand as best as possible in its current spots. However,im not sure you could get much in return for the costs. Changes at the mem needed to have been started back in the Dunford days.It would have still left the club seeking a new stadium but the Mem would have been better and championship ready. The irony is they should have halted the building of the west stand before it opened. Put in new planning and demolished what they had built. Instead building a full length fully seated stand with just the usual concourse facilities. That would itself have proved the minimum required seating. Yes officials and players would have had to use portakabins longer. Tempory buildings in the carpark would then allow the demolition of the east stand. Again building a full length multi-tiered stand This time with corporate stuff,changing rooms etc etc. Those two stands would then offer the capacity to allow the north terrace to be demolished and a new stand with facilities to be built. The south stand end would eventually become a perm seated stand.As a family stand im sure the access could be from the unused turnstiles behind. The idea of moving to cheltenham or newport for a few years is massively expensive for the club and fans. Bath city just is not a good enough pitch and can we afford to create a good pitch there as well ? The only option for TODAY is to build a new stadium on a new site. The option of a revamped Mem has passed ,previous boards failed in that regard. Given the club had just raised £2m+ to buy 50% of the Mem where were the £m's going to come from to demolish the brand new West Stand and rebuild it? Plus would Bristol Rugby really be content to ground share if our first move was to suggest to them their brand new stand had to be demolished? I can never understand why we didn't fund the West Stand running the full left length of the pitch. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Jun 12, 2022 20:20:50 GMT
Soil samples were being taken at the Fruit Market last week so assume once these have been tested they will feed into any feasibility study ahead of a potential agreement/sign off to develop the site.
Exciting info here on the world of soil testing if you have no paint to watch drying.....
A soil test is normally to establish if there is any contamination which would require remediation whereas a trial pit is to determine the sub surface strata to inform foundation design. Given that it is located in former marsh land do you mean the latter as I’m not aware that there has been any heavy industry on the site which would require the former? There was certainly heavy industry on the site. It was formerly St Phillips Marsh locomotive sheds. Two large roundhouses and a straight road repair workshops and large sidings. |
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Post by gas2 on Jun 12, 2022 20:21:27 GMT
Surely if there was a problem with the soil on the site THE fruit market would not have been built when the fruit market was built ?
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Post by bidefordgas on Jun 12, 2022 20:26:22 GMT
Surely if there was a problem with the soil on the site THE fruit market would not have been built when the fruit market was built ? Never a problem when as young lads we bunked around the sheds trainspotting. Plenty of coal and ash, but never a sign of any marshland or subsidence under the weight of many very heavy steam locomotives. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 20:29:07 GMT
Surely if there was a problem with the soil on the site THE fruit market would not have been built when the fruit market was built ? I guess the steelwork and concrete for a stadium has significantly bigger load on the ground than the fruit market does? |
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