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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2022 20:35:06 GMT
Soil samples were being taken at the Fruit Market last week so assume once these have been tested they will feed into any feasibility study ahead of a potential agreement/sign off to develop the site.
Exciting info here on the world of soil testing if you have no paint to watch drying.....
Strange post for your first one on Gaschat! |
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Post by herbertblake on Jun 12, 2022 20:46:02 GMT
Soil samples were being taken at the Fruit Market last week so assume once these have been tested they will feed into any feasibility study ahead of a potential agreement/sign off to develop the site.
Exciting info here on the world of soil testing if you have no paint to watch drying.....
Strange post for your first one on Gaschat! So if they find dinosaur bones does this delay the project by several years as they undertake a full study documentary and Hollywood block buster. Or more likely some Roman treasures and a whole bevy of detectorists and a further BBC series with that guy from the office. |
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Post by betterdeadthanred on Jun 12, 2022 21:48:27 GMT
Soil samples were being taken at the Fruit Market last week so assume once these have been tested they will feed into any feasibility study ahead of a potential agreement/sign off to develop the site.
Exciting info here on the world of soil testing if you have no paint to watch drying.....
Strange post for your first one on Gaschat! Strange but true. Wheels are in motion but not sure yet if they are attached to our bus.
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Post by c4h10 on Jun 12, 2022 22:10:16 GMT
A soil test is normally to establish if there is any contamination which would require remediation whereas a trial pit is to determine the sub surface strata to inform foundation design. Given that it is located in former marsh land do you mean the latter as I’m not aware that there has been any heavy industry on the site which would require the former? There was certainly heavy industry on the site. It was formerly St Phillips Marsh locomotive sheds. Two large roundhouses and a straight road repair workshops and large sidings. Spot-on, Bideford. I worked on the cast-iron drainage pipework at the Fruit Market. The "soil" was very easy to dig, being all loose shale and cinder, but there was a big problem in supporting the pipework as you proceeded. Then, if it rained, the stuff would all be washed back into the trench. There was quite a depth of the stuff before you hit anything resembling earth. |
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Post by Squiffy on Jun 12, 2022 23:25:06 GMT
A soil test is normally to establish if there is any contamination which would require remediation whereas a trial pit is to determine the sub surface strata to inform foundation design. Given that it is located in former marsh land do you mean the latter as I’m not aware that there has been any heavy industry on the site which would require the former? There was certainly heavy industry on the site. It was formerly St Phillips Marsh locomotive sheds. Two large roundhouses and a straight road repair workshops and large sidings. Fair enough, I’m just a touch too young and only remember the Bath Road shed from standing on the end of the platforms at Temple Meads in the 70s. Contaminants from former railway land can be quite onerous, especially depots, however I would have expected that to have been taken care of when the fruit market was built, although I have no idea what the standards were like in the late 60s. I guess the transport and logistics side of the fruit market could be viewed as a potential source of contaminants and given the high cost of soil remediation it makes sense that that a thorough assessment is undertaken at this early stage. BTW, the Wikipedia entry for St Philips Marsh engine shed mentions that the foundations were supported on concrete piles which is what you would expect for heavy structures on soils of poor load bearing capacity such as former marsh land. |
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Post by gas2 on Jun 13, 2022 2:16:50 GMT
Everton have drainded a dock to build a new stadium so marsh land can't be a problem ?
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Post by aghast on Jun 13, 2022 6:24:30 GMT
There was certainly heavy industry on the site. It was formerly St Phillips Marsh locomotive sheds. Two large roundhouses and a straight road repair workshops and large sidings. Fair enough, I’m just a touch too young and only remember the Bath Road shed from standing on the end of the platforms at Temple Meads in the 70s. Contaminants from former railway land can be quite onerous, especially depots, however I would have expected that to have been taken care of when the fruit market was built, although I have no idea what the standards were like in the late 60s. I guess the transport and logistics side of the fruit market could be viewed as a potential source of contaminants and given the high cost of soil remediation it makes sense that that a thorough assessment is undertaken at this early stage. BTW, the Wikipedia entry for St Philips Marsh engine shed mentions that the foundations were supported on concrete piles which is what you would expect for heavy structures on soils of poor load bearing capacity such as former marsh land. I imagine the site had lots of nasty acids, detergents, solvents and other gunk given its previous use. But it's had 50 years for a lot of the liquid stuff to leach away (into our water supply) so I wouldn't think it's too bad now, and probably no worse than all the other developments taking place on former industrial brownfield sites. I would have thought the prospective owners are fully expecting the area to be polluted, and just want an estimate of the cost of clearing it up. |
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Post by Smithy Gas on Jun 13, 2022 8:45:12 GMT
You only need to look over the river to the new tower by Totterdown Bridge to see that anything can be built new water/marshland. The groundworks that went into that were very extensive and would be for anything on the fruit market site too for whatever is built.
Most planning permissions on brownfield land come with pre commencement conditions in regards to contaminated land so its prudent to know what you are dealing with before you purchase a site.
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Post by playtowin on Jun 13, 2022 9:51:13 GMT
I dont think a rebuild of the mem is viable. You could rebuild each stand as best as possible in its current spots. However,im not sure you could get much in return for the costs. Changes at the mem needed to have been started back in the Dunford days.It would have still left the club seeking a new stadium but the Mem would have been better and championship ready. The irony is they should have halted the building of the west stand before it opened. Put in new planning and demolished what they had built. Instead building a full length fully seated stand with just the usual concourse facilities. That would itself have proved the minimum required seating. Yes officials and players would have had to use portakabins longer. Tempory buildings in the carpark would then allow the demolition of the east stand. Again building a full length multi-tiered stand This time with corporate stuff,changing rooms etc etc. Those two stands would then offer the capacity to allow the north terrace to be demolished and a new stand with facilities to be built. The south stand end would eventually become a perm seated stand.As a family stand im sure the access could be from the unused turnstiles behind. The idea of moving to cheltenham or newport for a few years is massively expensive for the club and fans. Bath city just is not a good enough pitch and can we afford to create a good pitch there as well ? The only option for TODAY is to build a new stadium on a new site. The option of a revamped Mem has passed ,previous boards failed in that regard. Given the club had just raised £2m+ to buy 50% of the Mem where were the £m's going to come from to demolish the brand new West Stand and rebuild it? Plus would Bristol Rugby really be content to ground share if our first move was to suggest to them their brand new stand had to be demolished? I can never understand why we didn't fund the West Stand running the full left length of the pitch. The old where will the money come from argument has always been a get out clause. Just like Geoff used to say there isnt a multimillionaire wandering down gloucester road who wants to invest in BRFC. Apparently though ,when a true search was made there was...wael. Fans managed to find cash towards the raise the roof campaign. They also stumped up over a million (?) For the share scheme. Money can be raised . Not saying its easy as its not. I think most board members thought the west stand was jolly good...so why change it. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 13, 2022 10:17:46 GMT
Given the club had just raised £2m+ to buy 50% of the Mem where were the £m's going to come from to demolish the brand new West Stand and rebuild it? Plus would Bristol Rugby really be content to ground share if our first move was to suggest to them their brand new stand had to be demolished? I can never understand why we didn't fund the West Stand running the full left length of the pitch. The old where will the money come from argument has always been a get out clause. Just like Geoff used to say there isnt a multimillionaire wandering down gloucester road who wants to invest in BRFC. Apparently though ,when a true search was made there was...wael. Fans managed to find cash towards the raise the roof campaign. They also stumped up over a million (?) For the share scheme. Money can be raised . Not saying its easy as its not. I think most board members thought the west stand was jolly good...so why change it. Good for them, yes but not good as a stand and utilising the space available |
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Post by axegas on Jun 13, 2022 10:21:41 GMT
Everton have drainded a dock to build a new stadium so marsh land can't be a problem ? When you drain a dock you create your own foundations. When you build on marsh land, you build foundations on soil that could be unstable or could flood. Not saying that would be the case with the FM, but planning officers scrutinise these things intensely. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 10:27:22 GMT
I cant see the Fruit Market happening. Our training ground is at Almondsbury North Bristol, UWE that is now a pipe dream North Bristol. Development of Filton Runway which we definitely missed a trick (or maybe not) North Bristol. Is North Bristol Golf Club near Cribbs available?  ? |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 13, 2022 12:27:10 GMT
Everton have drainded a dock to build a new stadium so marsh land can't be a problem ? When you drain a dock you create your own foundations. When you build on marsh land, you build foundations on soil that could be unstable or could flood. Not saying that would be the case with the FM, but planning officers scrutinise these things intensely. They have just built residential blocks that are, very literally, on the banks of the cut and if you drive past the FM & then go over the bridge, to the A4 then you will see them. I normally am one of the pedants who look at these things, well…more cynic than pedant but if they managed to do that then i am sure they can build on what is solid lad, by comparison. |
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Post by playtowin on Jun 13, 2022 13:18:19 GMT
When you drain a dock you create your own foundations. When you build on marsh land, you build foundations on soil that could be unstable or could flood. Not saying that would be the case with the FM, but planning officers scrutinise these things intensely. They have just built residential blocks that are, very literally, on the banks of the cut and if you drive past the FM & then go over the bridge, to the A4 then you will see them. I normally am one of the pedants who look at these things, well…more cynic than pedant but if they managed to do that then i am sure they can build on what is solid lad, by comparison. I think the biggest block is 11 storeys high. So thats already setting a decent height precedent for the area. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2022 14:09:01 GMT
I cant see the Fruit Market happening. Our training ground is at Almondsbury North Bristol, UWE that is now a pipe dream North Bristol. Development of Filton Runway which we definitely missed a trick (or maybe not) North Bristol. Is North Bristol Golf Club near Cribbs available?  ? North Bristol Golf Club, who are tenants, is built on a hillside and the land is owned by a property owner who made his millions from selling land for Bradley Stoke to be built on. He is now in the business of renting out his land not selling it. I'm sure he would be open to an offer of building a stadium on his land for an annual rent if the Golf Club could be persuaded to relinquish their lease. Jut the small problem of levelling a huge hillside though. |
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Post by gassince1957 on Jun 13, 2022 14:59:10 GMT
I cant see the Fruit Market happening. Our training ground is at Almondsbury North Bristol, UWE that is now a pipe dream North Bristol. Development of Filton Runway which we definitely missed a trick (or maybe not) North Bristol. Is North Bristol Golf Club near Cribbs available? ? North Bristol Golf Club, who are tenants, is built on a hillside and the land is owned by a property owner who made his millions from selling land for Bradley Stoke to be built on. He is now in the business of renting out his land not selling it. I'm sure he would be open to an offer of building a stadium on his land for an annual rent if the Golf Club could be persuaded to relinquish their lease. Jut the small problem of levelling a huge hillside though.Brighton managed it! Mind you, their stadium cost £90m.... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 13, 2022 15:36:41 GMT
North Bristol Golf Club, who are tenants, is built on a hillside and the land is owned by a property owner who made his millions from selling land for Bradley Stoke to be built on. He is now in the business of renting out his land not selling it. I'm sure he would be open to an offer of building a stadium on his land for an annual rent if the Golf Club could be persuaded to relinquish their lease. Jut the small problem of levelling a huge hillside though.Brighton managed it! Mind you, their stadium cost £90m.... Amex upon Avon. Has a nice ring to it. |
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Post by gas2 on Jun 13, 2022 16:14:12 GMT
Homes built across the river from f m so what's the problem ?
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Post by Kipper on Jun 13, 2022 16:36:00 GMT
Not getting too excited about a new stadium,as we have been let down numerous occasions over last forty years!!
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Post by bluebiro on Jun 13, 2022 18:05:42 GMT
Knowing us we will probably get to the last coat of paint and then find out we didn't sign a contract and the rugby club move in.
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