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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 13, 2022 22:49:19 GMT
Demand for office space is on the decline, retail struggling as so much now online, there are fewer music artists capable of filling a big venue. Traditional advertising biz in decline due to google ads etc. Build a 40K stadium, have low ticket prices to maximise capacity and make more from merch, food and drink or build a small stadium and have very high ticket prices? Perhaps actually filling it might have to be a big consideration?? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 14, 2022 7:15:14 GMT
Location is an issue though the fruit market is around the corner from 100s of companies and the new Bristol University site so the corporate side and non matchday revenue opportunities are much greater. But what non matchday revenue ? Im not disagreeing with you ,it seems to just be a vague term thats put about Just look at what is being built on Filton airfield and do a smaller scaled down version of that |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 8:00:25 GMT
The last 3 years have been a non starter for the obvious reasons to build and fund a stadium. It looks like the next 3 years with all that's happening will be the same.
This looks to me as if its on the back burner, with backing JB with players budgets to consolidate L1, possible Champ push. Then if we look like going up again after a period of financial security behind us, will the powers to be take another look.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 14, 2022 8:04:47 GMT
But what non matchday revenue ? Im not disagreeing with you ,it seems to just be a vague term thats put about All sorts, hotel much more viable, student accomodation for Bristol Uni as we probably burnt our bridges with UWE, space for corporate events, office space, exhibitions, music, comedy venue, restaurant pub retail leases etc not likely to attract people in the burbs as we clearly have not be able to put much on at the mem have we. Plus not being surrounded by pubs that take matchday revenue without any revenue to the club. Also more attractive for corporate sponsorship in a shiny new stadium than a partially redeveloped mem. It doesn't need to be a partial redevelopment, why not a full rebuild? |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 14, 2022 8:30:08 GMT
All sorts, hotel much more viable, student accomodation for Bristol Uni as we probably burnt our bridges with UWE, space for corporate events, office space, exhibitions, music, comedy venue, restaurant pub retail leases etc not likely to attract people in the burbs as we clearly have not be able to put much on at the mem have we. Plus not being surrounded by pubs that take matchday revenue without any revenue to the club. Also more attractive for corporate sponsorship in a shiny new stadium than a partially redeveloped mem. It doesn't need to be a partial redevelopment, why not a full rebuild? A full rebuild would also cost considerably more. |
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Post by wallywalters on Jul 14, 2022 8:40:21 GMT
The last 3 years have been a non starter for the obvious reasons to build and fund a stadium. It looks like the next 3 years with all that's happening will be the same. This looks to me as if its on the back burner, with backing JB with players budgets to consolidate L1, possible Champ push. Then if we look like going up again after a period of financial security behind us, will the powers to be take another look. The trouble with that stance is I’m sure you only get 3 years in the championship to convert stadium to all seater or your demoted. So will be too late if promotion is achieved. Certainly if you want to stay there anyway. Unless the rules have changed. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 14, 2022 8:51:26 GMT
It doesn't need to be a partial redevelopment, why not a full rebuild? A full rebuild would also cost considerably more. I doubt the FM, or UWE in the past, is going to be any cheaper and somebody has got to pay for it. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 14, 2022 9:40:21 GMT
A full rebuild would also cost considerably more. I doubt the FM, or UWE in the past, is going to be any cheaper and somebody has got to pay for it. Knocking down and fully rebuilding a site will cost more.
It's no coincidence that clubs tend to look at moving to brand new stadiums rather than completely redevelop the current one.
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Post by hardingegas on Jul 14, 2022 10:08:07 GMT
So the 'other lot' have put on Elton John, The Killers, a Vegan Festival, a Tattoo Convention, endless other corporate events but still Mr Pantsdown is having to bail his club out. As other posters have suggested, unless you reach the Premiership where the TV money stream provides funding regardless of attendances (Brentford, Bournemouth etc) I don't think any of these non football ventures provide a sustainable model unless you remain in the lower tiers and continue to pay the staff reasonable wages.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 14, 2022 10:08:43 GMT
I doubt the FM, or UWE in the past, is going to be any cheaper and somebody has got to pay for it. Knocking down and fully rebuilding a site will cost more.
It's no coincidence that clubs tend to look at moving to brand new stadiums rather than completely redevelop the current one.
We've spent decades looking for a site, if the FM now falls though then how many more will we spend looking? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 14, 2022 10:11:51 GMT
So the 'other lot' have put on Elton John, The Killers, a Vegan Festival, a Tattoo Convention, endless other corporate events but still Mr Pantsdown is having to bail his club out. As other posters have suggested, unless you reach the Premiership where the TV money stream provides funding regardless of attendances (Brentford, Bournemouth etc) I don't think any of these non football ventures provide a sustainable model unless you remain in the lower tiers and continue to pay the staff reasonable wages. £1m(?) a gig must surely help trim the losses a bit. |
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Post by wallywalters on Jul 14, 2022 10:22:04 GMT
Knocking down and fully rebuilding a site will cost more.
It's no coincidence that clubs tend to look at moving to brand new stadiums rather than completely redevelop the current one.
We've spent decades looking for a site, if the FM now falls though then how many more will we spend looking? We’re planning to be at the mem for at least another 5-10 years. That’s what I’ve been told from someone at the club. I don’t think it’s through choice but it’s just how long it’s going to take to do whatever’s in the pipeline. I guess 5 if goes smoothly. 10 if it doesn’t. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 14, 2022 10:49:48 GMT
We've spent decades looking for a site, if the FM now falls though then how many more will we spend looking? We’re planning to be at the mem for at least another 5-10 years. That’s what I’ve been told from someone at the club. I don’t think it’s through choice but it’s just how long it’s going to take to do whatever’s in the pipeline. I guess 5 if goes smoothly. 10 if it doesn’t. I've been told a site on South Gloucestershire land would take 3 years to build and develop |
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Post by baggins on Jul 14, 2022 10:54:52 GMT
We’re planning to be at the mem for at least another 5-10 years. That’s what I’ve been told from someone at the club. I don’t think it’s through choice but it’s just how long it’s going to take to do whatever’s in the pipeline. I guess 5 if goes smoothly. 10 if it doesn’t. I've been told a site on South Gloucestershire land would take 3 years to build and develop How long do we get to have an approved Ground when we hit the Championship next Season? |
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Post by wallywalters on Jul 14, 2022 10:55:37 GMT
We’re planning to be at the mem for at least another 5-10 years. That’s what I’ve been told from someone at the club. I don’t think it’s through choice but it’s just how long it’s going to take to do whatever’s in the pipeline. I guess 5 if goes smoothly. 10 if it doesn’t. I've been told a site on South Gloucestershire land would take 3 years to build and develop Really hope we’re exploring something out that way then henbury and not throwing all our eggs in one basket with the fruity. South glos could be done in 5 years then start to finish if all went smoothly |
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Post by aghast on Jul 14, 2022 10:59:18 GMT
So the 'other lot' have put on Elton John, The Killers, a Vegan Festival, a Tattoo Convention, endless other corporate events but still Mr Pantsdown is having to bail his club out. As other posters have suggested, unless you reach the Premiership where the TV money stream provides funding regardless of attendances (Brentford, Bournemouth etc) I don't think any of these non football ventures provide a sustainable model unless you remain in the lower tiers and continue to pay the staff reasonable wages. So you are saying it works in the Premier League because of TV money, and it works in L1 and 2 because they pay staff modest wages, but in just the Championship it's not viable? |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jul 14, 2022 15:46:49 GMT
The last 3 years have been a non starter for the obvious reasons to build and fund a stadium. It looks like the next 3 years with all that's happening will be the same. This looks to me as if its on the back burner, with backing JB with players budgets to consolidate L1, possible Champ push. Then if we look like going up again after a period of financial security behind us, will the powers to be take another look. The trouble with that stance is I’m sure you only get 3 years in the championship to convert stadium to all seater or your demoted. So will be too late if promotion is achieved. Certainly if you want to stay there anyway. Unless the rules have changed. Hasn't safe standing recently been approved for Premiership and Championship clubs? Obviously what The Mem currently has wouldn't fall into that remit, but I'm guessing that the conversion may not be as expensive as going totally all seater? |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jul 14, 2022 15:55:21 GMT
We've spent decades looking for a site, if the FM now falls though then how many more will we spend looking? We’re planning to be at the mem for at least another 5-10 years. That’s what I’ve been told from someone at the club. I don’t think it’s through choice but it’s just how long it’s going to take to do whatever’s in the pipeline. I guess 5 if goes smoothly. 10 if it doesn’t. Another ten years? Think we'll need to do something in the meantime then!!! |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 14, 2022 15:57:03 GMT
We've spent decades looking for a site, if the FM now falls though then how many more will we spend looking? We’re planning to be at the mem for at least another 5-10 years. That’s what I’ve been told from someone at the club. I don’t think it’s through choice but it’s just how long it’s going to take to do whatever’s in the pipeline. I guess 5 if goes smoothly. 10 if it doesn’t. Don’t say that ffs ! This thread will be on 3000 pages by then 🙄 |
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Post by dragonfly on Jul 14, 2022 16:19:20 GMT
BRFC have not denied having an interest in the FM. They could have quashed that question at any time since that Blackpool reference but have chosen to remain silent. Keeping us hanging on in false hope would be counter productive with the Fan base.
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