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Post by playtowin on Jul 14, 2022 17:19:52 GMT
The trouble with that stance is I’m sure you only get 3 years in the championship to convert stadium to all seater or your demoted. So will be too late if promotion is achieved. Certainly if you want to stay there anyway. Unless the rules have changed. Hasn't safe standing recently been approved for Premiership and Championship clubs? Obviously what The Mem currently has wouldn't fall into that remit, but I'm guessing that the conversion may not be as expensive as going totally all seater? I could be wrong. The idea of safe standing is everyone has an anti crush bar/rail infront of them. This would eliminate 40-50% of the capacity i guess (?) The thatchers end would go down to under 2000 capacity. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 14, 2022 17:25:16 GMT
We've spent decades looking for a site, if the FM now falls though then how many more will we spend looking? We’re planning to be at the mem for at least another 5-10 years. That’s what I’ve been told from someone at the club. I don’t think it’s through choice but it’s just how long it’s going to take to do whatever’s in the pipeline. I guess 5 if goes smoothly. 10 if it doesn’t. For most fans 10 years may as well read staying at the Mem indefinitely. |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 14, 2022 18:04:38 GMT
Anyone who thinks it's anywhere near feasible to stay at the mem for the next 10 years without significant investment is living in a fantasy world.
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Post by Quarters on Jul 14, 2022 19:00:59 GMT
Hasn't safe standing recently been approved for Premiership and Championship clubs? Obviously what The Mem currently has wouldn't fall into that remit, but I'm guessing that the conversion may not be as expensive as going totally all seater? I could be wrong. The idea of safe standing is everyone has an anti crush bar/rail infront of them. This would eliminate 40-50% of the capacity i guess (?) The thatchers end would go down to under 2000 capacity. Safe standing replaces seats, simplistically. Instead of a seat there is a folding seat with the barrier behind the seat. So for current grounds that are all seated my understanding is that the capacity does not change. You then have to stand where your ticket says your seat is. Can see some not comprehending this. |
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Post by singupgas on Jul 14, 2022 19:27:27 GMT
Anyone who thinks it's anywhere near feasible to stay at the mem for the next 10 years without significant investment is living in a fantasy world. Have to agree. We desperately need a new home. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Jul 14, 2022 20:35:32 GMT
I could be wrong. The idea of safe standing is everyone has an anti crush bar/rail infront of them. This would eliminate 40-50% of the capacity i guess (?) The thatchers end would go down to under 2000 capacity. Safe standing replaces seats, simplistically. Instead of a seat there is a folding seat with the barrier behind the seat. So for current grounds that are all seated my understanding is that the capacity does not change. You then have to stand where your ticket says your seat is. Can see some not comprehending this. In Germany where safe standing has been in place for sometime, it has in fact allowed capacity to be increased when the seats are in the locked upright position. One particular ground can accommodate almost 50% more fans when the seats are not in use, than when the seats are in use. Lots of interesting reading on the subject on Google, in fact the UK expert and advisor on the subject is a shithead from across the city. |
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Post by hardingegas on Jul 14, 2022 20:59:09 GMT
I'm trying to reply to Aghast comment but can't cut & paste his comments.
But I think the Championship is the most difficult division as most clubs are aspiring towards the Premiership and either spend big bucks to achieve that or incur massive losses that result in points deductions like Derby and Reading etc.
So you either fork out the finance that you can't really afford or struggle without the outlay as the likes of Burton, Yeovil and even Peterborough have found.
The yoyo clubs like Rotherham and Wigan have proven this case but I wouldn't mind being in their situation as it makes each season interesting!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 21:24:23 GMT
I'm trying to reply to Aghast comment but can't cut & paste his comments. But I think the Championship is the most difficult division as most clubs are aspiring towards the Premiership and either spend big bucks to achieve that or incur massive losses that result in points deductions like Derby and Reading etc. So you either fork out the finance that you can't really afford or struggle without the outlay as the likes of Burton, Yeovil and even Peterborough have found. The yoyo clubs like Rotherham and Wigan have proven this case but I wouldn't mind being in their situation as it makes each season interesting! This is one opinion I love. I’m the same, if you can guarantee which you can’t, going up and down from Prem to Champ and back again, like Norwich ect. You can earn a lot of money from parachute payments, although long term isn’t great. I don’t know Wael’s financial situation and that’s his business. However can’t help thinking that without substantial investment if we get to the Champ, in players staff facilities. This could damage our club in the long term. One thing flirting with Prem and Cham. It’s another doing it between Champ and L1, that where it becomes financially disastrous if a club is not careful, with wages transfer fees and everything associated with increased costs. Sometimes I think established L1 top 6 or so every season isn’t a bad thing, unless we have a stash that’s been put away for a proper assault on the higher leagues. Unless of course we can do what the Saints did a few years ago L1, Champ, Prem in successive seasons, but that took a lot of money. |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 14, 2022 23:11:25 GMT
The FM is the most vague proposed stadium project we've ever been involved in, haven't even seen an artist's impression!
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Post by aghast on Jul 14, 2022 23:22:20 GMT
The FM is the most vague proposed stadium project we've ever been involved in, haven't even seen an artist's impression! Thank me later.  |
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Post by darkbluegas on Jul 14, 2022 23:26:13 GMT
The FM is the most vague proposed stadium project we've ever been involved in, haven't even seen an artist's impression! The artist impression commission has been put out to tender and apparently there are several parties interested in knocking up a few drawings. The club have employed a project manager with extensive experience of putting together lovely pictures of stadiums at the highest level worldwide If all goes to plan the club hope to issue some etchings early in 2023. Ultimately Rovers hope to get something on the front of the Evening Post by the start of the 2025 season. |
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Post by gas2 on Jul 15, 2022 2:21:45 GMT
The FM is the most vague proposed stadium project we've ever been involved in, haven't even seen an artist's impression! The artist impression commission has been put out to tender and apparently there are several parties interested in knocking up a few drawings. The club have employed a project manager with extensive experience of putting together lovely pictures of stadiums at the highest level worldwide If all goes to plan the club hope to issue some etchings early in 2023. Ultimately Rovers hope to get something on the front of the Evening Post by the start of the 2025 season. Some fans on here could do a stadium design for the club and it wil! Not be a costly job |
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Post by fatherbrown on Jul 15, 2022 6:14:49 GMT
The FM is the most vague proposed stadium project we've ever been involved in, haven't even seen an artist's impression! Thank me later. [img alt="https://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2010/08/Fruit-Football-Stadium-2.jpg" src="https://inhabitat.com/wp- content/blogs.dir/1/files/2010/08/Fruit-Football-Stadium-2.jpg"] The club seems to have invested heavily in lot a conference facilities in the design. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jul 15, 2022 8:04:49 GMT
I'm trying to reply to Aghast comment but can't cut & paste his comments. But I think the Championship is the most difficult division as most clubs are aspiring towards the Premiership and either spend big bucks to achieve that or incur massive losses that result in points deductions like Derby and Reading etc. So you either fork out the finance that you can't really afford or struggle without the outlay as the likes of Burton, Yeovil and even Peterborough have found. The yoyo clubs like Rotherham and Wigan have proven this case but I wouldn't mind being in their situation as it makes each season interesting! This is one opinion I love. I’m the same, if you can guarantee which you can’t, going up and down from Prem to Champ and back again, like Norwich ect. You can earn a lot of money from parachute payments, although long term isn’t great. I don’t know Wael’s financial situation and that’s his business. However can’t help thinking that without substantial investment if we get to the Champ, in players staff facilities. This could damage our club in the long term. One thing flirting with Prem and Cham. It’s another doing it between Champ and L1, that where it becomes financially disastrous if a club is not careful, with wages transfer fees and everything associated with increased costs. Sometimes I think established L1 top 6 or so every season isn’t a bad thing, unless we have a stash that’s been put away for a proper assault on the higher leagues. Unless of course we can do what the Saints did a few years ago L1, Champ, Prem in successive seasons, but that took a lot of money. Yet just one season of prem and SL would have all of his money back. I guess he’s taking that gamble but risking points deductions in doing so. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jul 15, 2022 8:09:24 GMT
I'm trying to reply to Aghast comment but can't cut & paste his comments. But I think the Championship is the most difficult division as most clubs are aspiring towards the Premiership and either spend big bucks to achieve that or incur massive losses that result in points deductions like Derby and Reading etc. So you either fork out the finance that you can't really afford or struggle without the outlay as the likes of Burton, Yeovil and even Peterborough have found. The yoyo clubs like Rotherham and Wigan have proven this case but I wouldn't mind being in their situation as it makes each season interesting! This is one opinion I love. I’m the same, if you can guarantee which you can’t, going up and down from Prem to Champ and back again, like Norwich ect. You can earn a lot of money from parachute payments, although long term isn’t great. I don’t know Wael’s financial situation and that’s his business. However can’t help thinking that without substantial investment if we get to the Champ, in players staff facilities. This could damage our club in the long term. One thing flirting with Prem and Cham. It’s another doing it between Champ and L1, that where it becomes financially disastrous if a club is not careful, with wages transfer fees and everything associated with increased costs. Sometimes I think established L1 top 6 or so every season isn’t a bad thing, unless we have a stash that’s been put away for a proper assault on the higher leagues. Unless of course we can do what the Saints did a few years ago L1, Champ, Prem in successive seasons, but that took a lot of money. I agree but i think we are being premature of even thinking of the championship right now as we have the bulk of a leaky league 2 promotion 3rd spot team and do not know how they will do, in league one and without the star that helped us massively , Billy. Hoping we challenge but my head says mid to just under in first season BUT i could always be wrong and it’s just my opinion. We would not get away with pressing many of the long term league 1 sides and there is a fair old gulf between leagues 1 and 2 |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jul 15, 2022 8:28:58 GMT
This is one opinion I love. I’m the same, if you can guarantee which you can’t, going up and down from Prem to Champ and back again, like Norwich ect. You can earn a lot of money from parachute payments, although long term isn’t great. I don’t know Wael’s financial situation and that’s his business. However can’t help thinking that without substantial investment if we get to the Champ, in players staff facilities. This could damage our club in the long term. One thing flirting with Prem and Cham. It’s another doing it between Champ and L1, that where it becomes financially disastrous if a club is not careful, with wages transfer fees and everything associated with increased costs. Sometimes I think established L1 top 6 or so every season isn’t a bad thing, unless we have a stash that’s been put away for a proper assault on the higher leagues. Unless of course we can do what the Saints did a few years ago L1, Champ, Prem in successive seasons, but that took a lot of money. I agree but i think we are being premature of even thinking of the championship right now as we have the bulk of a leaky league 2 promotion 3rd spot team and do not know how they will do, in league one and without the star that helped us massively , Billy. Hoping we challenge but my head says mid to just under in first season BUT i could always be wrong and it’s just my opinion. We would not get away with pressing many of the long term league 1 sides and there is a fair old gulf between leagues 1 and 2 That were one of the top form teams in the whole of English football in 2022 and had won 3, drawn 1 in January before Billy had even joined. Yes, it's a different level now, but I think you should give the team more credit than that KP. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Jul 15, 2022 9:12:27 GMT
I agree but i think we are being premature of even thinking of the championship right now as we have the bulk of a leaky league 2 promotion 3rd spot team and do not know how they will do, in league one and without the star that helped us massively , Billy. Hoping we challenge but my head says mid to just under in first season BUT i could always be wrong and it’s just my opinion. We would not get away with pressing many of the long term league 1 sides and there is a fair old gulf between leagues 1 and 2 That were one of the top form teams in the whole of English football in 2022 and had won 3, drawn 1 in January before Billy had even joined. Yes, it's a different level now, but I think you should give the team more credit than that KP. Jan-May 2022: 16 goals conceded 13 clean sheets 44 goals scored 16 wins Back half of 21/22, this Rovers side were a lot of things, but leaky was not one of them😂 |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 15, 2022 9:33:56 GMT
That were one of the top form teams in the whole of English football in 2022 and had won 3, drawn 1 in January before Billy had even joined. Yes, it's a different level now, but I think you should give the team more credit than that KP. Jan-May 2022: 16 goals conceded 13 clean sheets 44 goals scored 16 wins Back half of 21/22, this Rovers side were a lot of things, but leaky was not one of them😂 We only finished 4 points off the Champions.
When you consider our start to the season, that is no mean feat.
Of course getting The Geordie Maradona on loan was a masterstroke, but there's no doubt that we were the best team in the whole division come the end.
Belshaw brilliant, Taylor & Connolly the best centre half pairing, Luca Hoole maturing into a fine Right Back, Couts, Finley and Whelan all superb in the engine room, Anthony Evans providing that bit of guile and chipping in with plenty of assists and popping up with worldies including a fair few Free Kicks, which we probably havent seen since Mark Walters and Aaron Collins one of the most prolific strikers in the country come the end, he didn't score his 1st league goal until January.
The Football was a joy to watch at times as well.
We took time to gel, but from January onwards, leaky we certainly weren't!
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Post by dudelebowski on Jul 15, 2022 9:48:51 GMT
Jan-May 2022: 16 goals conceded 13 clean sheets 44 goals scored 16 wins Back half of 21/22, this Rovers side were a lot of things, but leaky was not one of them😂 We only finished 4 points off the Champions.
When you consider our start to the season, that is no mean feat.
Of course getting The Geordie Maradona on loan was a masterstroke, but there's no doubt that we were the best team in the whole division come the end.
Belshaw brilliant, Taylor & Connolly the best centre half pairing, Luca Hoole maturing into a fine Right Back, Couts, Finley and Whelan all superb in the engine room, Anthony Evans providing that bit of guile and chipping in with plenty of assists and popping up with worldies including a fair few Free Kicks, which we probably havent seen since Mark Walters and Aaron Collins one of the most prolific strikers in the country come the end, he didn't score his 1st league goal until January.
The Football was a joy to watch at times as well.
We took time to gel, but from January onwards, leaky we certainly weren't!
Superbly summarised dude🤘🏼 |
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Post by supergas on Jul 15, 2022 10:06:23 GMT
Safe standing replaces seats, simplistically. Instead of a seat there is a folding seat with the barrier behind the seat. So for current grounds that are all seated my understanding is that the capacity does not change. You then have to stand where your ticket says your seat is. Can see some not comprehending this. In Germany where safe standing has been in place for sometime, it has in fact allowed capacity to be increased when the seats are in the locked upright position. One particular ground can accommodate almost 50% more fans when the seats are not in use, than when the seats are in use. Lots of interesting reading on the subject on Google, in fact the UK expert and advisor on the subject is a shithead from across the city. The Germans actually have more than one version of safe-standing allowed at domestic games - some are rail seats converted from original all-seater constructions where the ratio is 1:1 but some were planned and purpose-built with safe standing in mind and have 1:1.25 or 1:1.5 ratios... ...then of course there's the best thing the Germans have brought to soccer for many years which is standing terraces in the top-flight. They're tightly controlled - partitioned tightly, your ticket is required to move from the concourse back to your area of the terrace and the clubs with them actually have higher steward-to-crowd ratios in these areas than the seated sections to keep entry controlled and walkways clear. I really hope it's a model the UK and Australia (where I currently am) will follow sooner rather than later |
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