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Post by gas2 on Jul 23, 2022 15:32:32 GMT
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Post by trueblur4u on Jul 23, 2022 15:54:33 GMT
As Wail wanted to own the club it is only right he should be bailing the club out financially. I suppose the fans are grateful for the new training ground but the ongoing stadium situation is abysmal. Gasheads are being fobbed off and readily accept anything! There hasn't even been an artists impression of a longed for stadium.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 23, 2022 15:58:31 GMT
As Wail wanted to own the club it is only right he should be bailing the club out financially. I suppose the fans are grateful for the new training ground but the ongoing stadium situation is abysmal. Gasheads are being fobbed off and readily accept anything! There hasn't even been an artists impression of a longed for stadium. What are we actually being fobbed about, given the club have made no recent stadium announcements? |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 23, 2022 17:09:18 GMT
Floodlights might be a problem as well ….. By problem you mean they can be seen for a 100 mile radius? If we have temporary stands , they’ll block the floodlights won’t they ? I’ve never been to the cricket ground but I’m guessing if you put up stands to create a football stadium the lights would blocked by the back of the stands . |
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Post by wertongas on Jul 23, 2022 17:45:34 GMT
Reading this thread whilst sipping a few beers last night I had a thought, would it be possible to share with GCC for a few seasons whilst we redeveloped the Mem? Pop up a couple of large temporary stands like Bath Rugby have and make use of the hospitality space already there? Think you had to many pints mate, need to keep down your levels of Amber nectar. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 23, 2022 17:49:35 GMT
Reading this thread whilst sipping a few beers last night I had a thought, would it be possible to share with GCC for a few seasons whilst we redeveloped the Mem? Pop up a couple of large temporary stands like Bath Rugby have and make use of the hospitality space already there? Think you had to many pints mate, need to keep down your levels of Amber nectar. Not sure the groundsman would take kindly to his square being pock marked by hairy arse footballers studs😊😊 |
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Post by Squiffy on Jul 23, 2022 18:36:24 GMT
As Wail wanted to own the club it is only right he should be bailing the club out financially. I suppose the fans are grateful for the new training ground but the ongoing stadium situation is abysmal. Gasheads are being fobbed off and readily accept anything! There hasn't even been an artists impression of a longed for stadium. If that’s a challenge then I accept. 🎨😊👍🏟 |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 23, 2022 18:37:48 GMT
This thread should be renamed to biggest smokescreen ever.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 23, 2022 18:42:53 GMT
This thread should be renamed to biggest smokescreen ever. Pretty sure that was when we were told to pick out seats at Cheltenham? |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 23, 2022 19:22:15 GMT
By problem you mean they can be seen for a 100 mile radius? If we have temporary stands , they’ll block the floodlights won’t they ? I’ve never been to the cricket ground but I’m guessing if you put up stands to create a football stadium the lights would blocked by the back of the stands . To be fair I didn’t even think about that. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 23, 2022 19:23:05 GMT
Reading this thread whilst sipping a few beers last night I had a thought, would it be possible to share with GCC for a few seasons whilst we redeveloped the Mem? Pop up a couple of large temporary stands like Bath Rugby have and make use of the hospitality space already there? Think you had to many pints mate, need to keep down your levels of Amber nectar. It’s either that or set up a temporary place on the downs, I’m told there’s no alternative. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 23, 2022 19:36:48 GMT
If we have temporary stands , they’ll block the floodlights won’t they ? I’ve never been to the cricket ground but I’m guessing if you put up stands to create a football stadium the lights would blocked by the back of the stands . To be fair I didn’t even think about that. Keep drinking the beer and you might come up with other possible solutions 🍻😃! |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 23, 2022 19:45:53 GMT
To be fair I didn’t even think about that. Keep drinking the beer and you might come up with other possible solutions 🍻😃! I’m working on it 🍺 |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 24, 2022 19:58:44 GMT
I wouldn’t say I was particularly ITK if at all. Even if I get the opportunity I don’t ask. Like you, im happy being a fan and nothing more. 1. It depends how much you’re spending. You may have an opportunity full of promises but if they aren’t good promises the consequences could be catastrophic. So if wael is using his discretion rather than going in headlong to a bad deal just because there might be an opportunity then his thinking should be respected regardless what we want to hear. Is there urgency? To a degree, but the current economic climate + pandemic/recovery from has really caused major building projects to hit the buffers. We need to constantly reassess everything. I have patience probably because I understand business, what it takes to invest in something, how long to wait for the return and how long it takes to build something. I worked for big companies before going alone and it’s easy to be a paid director and help run someone else’s company. It’s not your risk, it’s not your life’s work and you’re a cog in a big wheel of other opinions and clever ideas. When it’s your own money and your own legacy you’re happy to take your time, consider every move, decision and idea. You also need to get the right people around you and even if you do, you can get let down by some people who you trusted, both with your legacy and also with your money. People don’t appreciate just how tough building something is. Wael technically, has only owned us for 3 years and 2 of those were through the pandemic. He never had sole control until his father passed away and we were restructured. So that’s why he needs to be given time and opportunity. Oh come off it 1981, you paint yourself as being ITK in your posts following your reply esp about “100% knowing...” about aspects of our club. All I have is opinions, you say you “know”! Very different. Of course we need to constantly reassess all aspects but your original reply and arguments were far stronger than this reposte. You’ve collected a series of excuses and reasons for not doing things. Yes I’m sure the current economic climate is hard and building something is tough but to say that you “....understand business, what it takes.....” is insulting to others who may have a different opinion. I thought we’d left all that stuff about I know more than you so my opinion has more importance than yours behind a long time ago. No real idea what you do but to adopt that attitude that implies that others don’t understand business is condescending at the least and possibly insulting. I’m left very surprised that you indicate the reasons for not doing it when in February 2016, Wael was very certain that the new ground was vital for the club and finance would not be a problem. Why would any family / consortium /group buy BRFC and think a new ground wasn’t an important first step. It’s senseless, it flies in the face of sensible business that you would buy a football club with no intention to turn annual losses of £2/3m into break even or profit. There is no way they would have involved themselves thinking we can do this without a new ground. No way. Lots of people on here have experience in different spheres, some commercial, some business and some more public service but I’m sure they will have worked in a business where there is a need to communicate with clients/ customers/public/staff, plan forward in the short, medium and long term and put those ideas into working plans which in some cases will lead to performance targets with criteria against which you are judged. Your assertion regarding “... I understand business...” would be laughed at and the bottom line after excuses have been stated would be unacceptable. What’s perhaps more worrying is that your posts could be interpreted in the light that nothing much is likely to happen regarding the ground in the foreseeable future. That you said earlier that some of us were using the new ground as a fantasy makes me worry that you’ve given our leaders the script about why nothing is happening and life at the Mem is going to be the new norm and we’d better get used to it. I hope that’s not the case. UTG! |
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Post by aghast on Jul 24, 2022 21:32:54 GMT
I wouldn’t say I was particularly ITK if at all. Even if I get the opportunity I don’t ask. Like you, im happy being a fan and nothing more. 1. It depends how much you’re spending. You may have an opportunity full of promises but if they aren’t good promises the consequences could be catastrophic. So if wael is using his discretion rather than going in headlong to a bad deal just because there might be an opportunity then his thinking should be respected regardless what we want to hear. Is there urgency? To a degree, but the current economic climate + pandemic/recovery from has really caused major building projects to hit the buffers. We need to constantly reassess everything. I have patience probably because I understand business, what it takes to invest in something, how long to wait for the return and how long it takes to build something. I worked for big companies before going alone and it’s easy to be a paid director and help run someone else’s company. It’s not your risk, it’s not your life’s work and you’re a cog in a big wheel of other opinions and clever ideas. When it’s your own money and your own legacy you’re happy to take your time, consider every move, decision and idea. You also need to get the right people around you and even if you do, you can get let down by some people who you trusted, both with your legacy and also with your money. People don’t appreciate just how tough building something is. Wael technically, has only owned us for 3 years and 2 of those were through the pandemic. He never had sole control until his father passed away and we were restructured. So that’s why he needs to be given time and opportunity. Oh come off it 1981, you paint yourself as being ITK in your posts following your reply esp about “100% knowing...” about aspects of our club. All I have is opinions, you say you “know”! Very different. Of course we need to constantly reassess all aspects but your original reply and arguments were far stronger than this reposte. You’ve collected a series of excuses and reasons for not doing things. Yes I’m sure the current economic climate is hard and building something is tough but to say that you “....understand business, what it takes.....” is insulting to others who may have a different opinion. I thought we’d left all that stuff about I know more than you so my opinion has more importance than yours behind a long time ago. No real idea what you do but to adopt that attitude that implies that others don’t understand business is condescending at the least and possibly insulting. I’m left very surprised that you indicate the reasons for not doing it when in February 2016, Wael was very certain that the new ground was vital for the club and finance would not be a problem. Why would any family / consortium /group buy BRFC and think a new ground wasn’t an important first step. It’s senseless, it flies in the face of sensible business that you would buy a football club with no intention to turn annual losses of £2/3m into break even or profit. There is no way they would have involved themselves thinking we can do this without a new ground. No way. Lots of people on here have experience in different spheres, some commercial, some business and some more public service but I’m sure they will have worked in a business where there is a need to communicate with clients/ customers/public/staff, plan forward in the short, medium and long term and put those ideas into working plans which in some cases will lead to performance targets with criteria against which you are judged. Your assertion regarding “... I understand business...” would be laughed at and the bottom line after excuses have been stated would be unacceptable. What’s perhaps more worrying is that your posts could be interpreted in the light that nothing much is likely to happen regarding the ground in the foreseeable future. That you said earlier that some of us were using the new ground as a fantasy makes me worry that you’ve given our leaders the script about why nothing is happening and life at the Mem is going to be the new norm and we’d better get used to it. I hope that’s not the case. UTG! Well said. Gashead1981 so slavishly follows the party line that it's hard to take some of his posts seriously. Nothing the owners do is wrong. All criticism of them is rebuffed. He's just a fan, apparently, but knows 100% what is and isn't true at other times. It's hard to differentiate between what is being fed to him as a propaganda vehicle for this forum (whether he knows it or not) and what might actually be true. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 24, 2022 21:51:44 GMT
I wouldn’t say I was particularly ITK if at all. Even if I get the opportunity I don’t ask. Like you, im happy being a fan and nothing more. 1. It depends how much you’re spending. You may have an opportunity full of promises but if they aren’t good promises the consequences could be catastrophic. So if wael is using his discretion rather than going in headlong to a bad deal just because there might be an opportunity then his thinking should be respected regardless what we want to hear. Is there urgency? To a degree, but the current economic climate + pandemic/recovery from has really caused major building projects to hit the buffers. We need to constantly reassess everything. I have patience probably because I understand business, what it takes to invest in something, how long to wait for the return and how long it takes to build something. I worked for big companies before going alone and it’s easy to be a paid director and help run someone else’s company. It’s not your risk, it’s not your life’s work and you’re a cog in a big wheel of other opinions and clever ideas. When it’s your own money and your own legacy you’re happy to take your time, consider every move, decision and idea. You also need to get the right people around you and even if you do, you can get let down by some people who you trusted, both with your legacy and also with your money. People don’t appreciate just how tough building something is. Wael technically, has only owned us for 3 years and 2 of those were through the pandemic. He never had sole control until his father passed away and we were restructured. So that’s why he needs to be given time and opportunity. Oh come off it 1981, you paint yourself as being ITK in your posts following your reply esp about “100% knowing...” about aspects of our club. All I have is opinions, you say you “know”! Very different. Of course we need to constantly reassess all aspects but your original reply and arguments were far stronger than this reposte. You’ve collected a series of excuses and reasons for not doing things. Yes I’m sure the current economic climate is hard and building something is tough but to say that you “....understand business, what it takes.....” is insulting to others who may have a different opinion. I thought we’d left all that stuff about I know more than you so my opinion has more importance than yours behind a long time ago. No real idea what you do but to adopt that attitude that implies that others don’t understand business is condescending at the least and possibly insulting. I’m left very surprised that you indicate the reasons for not doing it when in February 2016, Wael was very certain that the new ground was vital for the club and finance would not be a problem. Why would any family / consortium /group buy BRFC and think a new ground wasn’t an important first step. It’s senseless, it flies in the face of sensible business that you would buy a football club with no intention to turn annual losses of £2/3m into break even or profit. There is no way they would have involved themselves thinking we can do this without a new ground. No way. Lots of people on here have experience in different spheres, some commercial, some business and some more public service but I’m sure they will have worked in a business where there is a need to communicate with clients/ customers/public/staff, plan forward in the short, medium and long term and put those ideas into working plans which in some cases will lead to performance targets with criteria against which you are judged. Your assertion regarding “... I understand business...” would be laughed at and the bottom line after excuses have been stated would be unacceptable. What’s perhaps more worrying is that your posts could be interpreted in the light that nothing much is likely to happen regarding the ground in the foreseeable future. That you said earlier that some of us were using the new ground as a fantasy makes me worry that you’ve given our leaders the script about why nothing is happening and life at the Mem is going to be the new norm and we’d better get used to it. I hope that’s not the case. UTG! G1981 owns a garage of some kind, he's hardly a high flying businessman who knows the ins and outs of property development/the construction industry. However you do have to fear he's heard from his contacts that the FM has stalled/isn't now going ahead, hence, the total silence on that front? I've always sensed Wael's nowhere near as wealthy as some fans think he is, and whilst he can write off £2m/£3m a season getting the money to finance a new stadium is beyond him, particularly now that construction costs have gone through the roof. If the FM is dead and no other sites are being seriously considered, I'm not sure where this leaves us as a club. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 24, 2022 22:27:13 GMT
Oh come off it 1981, you paint yourself as being ITK in your posts following your reply esp about “100% knowing...” about aspects of our club. All I have is opinions, you say you “know”! Very different. Of course we need to constantly reassess all aspects but your original reply and arguments were far stronger than this reposte. You’ve collected a series of excuses and reasons for not doing things. Yes I’m sure the current economic climate is hard and building something is tough but to say that you “....understand business, what it takes.....” is insulting to others who may have a different opinion. I thought we’d left all that stuff about I know more than you so my opinion has more importance than yours behind a long time ago. No real idea what you do but to adopt that attitude that implies that others don’t understand business is condescending at the least and possibly insulting. I’m left very surprised that you indicate the reasons for not doing it when in February 2016, Wael was very certain that the new ground was vital for the club and finance would not be a problem. Why would any family / consortium /group buy BRFC and think a new ground wasn’t an important first step. It’s senseless, it flies in the face of sensible business that you would buy a football club with no intention to turn annual losses of £2/3m into break even or profit. There is no way they would have involved themselves thinking we can do this without a new ground. No way. Lots of people on here have experience in different spheres, some commercial, some business and some more public service but I’m sure they will have worked in a business where there is a need to communicate with clients/ customers/public/staff, plan forward in the short, medium and long term and put those ideas into working plans which in some cases will lead to performance targets with criteria against which you are judged. Your assertion regarding “... I understand business...” would be laughed at and the bottom line after excuses have been stated would be unacceptable. What’s perhaps more worrying is that your posts could be interpreted in the light that nothing much is likely to happen regarding the ground in the foreseeable future. That you said earlier that some of us were using the new ground as a fantasy makes me worry that you’ve given our leaders the script about why nothing is happening and life at the Mem is going to be the new norm and we’d better get used to it. I hope that’s not the case. UTG! Well said. Gashead1981 so slavishly follows the party line that it's hard to take some of his posts seriously. Nothing the owners do is wrong. All criticism of them is rebuffed. He's just a fan, apparently, but knows 100% what is and isn't true at other times. It's hard to differentiate between what is being fed to him as a propaganda vehicle for this forum (whether he knows it or not) and what might actually be true. I've no idea either way of '81's knowledge on the issues, I do seem to recall though he was originally thinking that a Mem rebuild was feasible for £20m or so but is now much higher and much more problematic. I'd be interested, assuming I'm not misremembering, what has caused the change of opinion. |
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 25, 2022 0:23:49 GMT
TBH if I had a serious amount of money I probably would not want to own a Football Club. Look at how much Lansdowne has sunk into our red friends, and you still hear them constantly moaning about him.
One of the Gallaghers who once said they would never invest in Man City, as they would get “ a load of lady gardens like me moaning about everything “
If I owned Rovers I think it would take the joy out of it for me.
So fair play to Wael…..👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 We are evolving into a professional football club ( exactly like he said ) and I am sure we will get to the Championship in time.
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Post by richmace on Jul 25, 2022 9:33:36 GMT
Oh come off it 1981, you paint yourself as being ITK in your posts following your reply esp about “100% knowing...” about aspects of our club. All I have is opinions, you say you “know”! Very different. Of course we need to constantly reassess all aspects but your original reply and arguments were far stronger than this reposte. You’ve collected a series of excuses and reasons for not doing things. Yes I’m sure the current economic climate is hard and building something is tough but to say that you “....understand business, what it takes.....” is insulting to others who may have a different opinion. I thought we’d left all that stuff about I know more than you so my opinion has more importance than yours behind a long time ago. No real idea what you do but to adopt that attitude that implies that others don’t understand business is condescending at the least and possibly insulting. I’m left very surprised that you indicate the reasons for not doing it when in February 2016, Wael was very certain that the new ground was vital for the club and finance would not be a problem. Why would any family / consortium /group buy BRFC and think a new ground wasn’t an important first step. It’s senseless, it flies in the face of sensible business that you would buy a football club with no intention to turn annual losses of £2/3m into break even or profit. There is no way they would have involved themselves thinking we can do this without a new ground. No way. Lots of people on here have experience in different spheres, some commercial, some business and some more public service but I’m sure they will have worked in a business where there is a need to communicate with clients/ customers/public/staff, plan forward in the short, medium and long term and put those ideas into working plans which in some cases will lead to performance targets with criteria against which you are judged. Your assertion regarding “... I understand business...” would be laughed at and the bottom line after excuses have been stated would be unacceptable. What’s perhaps more worrying is that your posts could be interpreted in the light that nothing much is likely to happen regarding the ground in the foreseeable future. That you said earlier that some of us were using the new ground as a fantasy makes me worry that you’ve given our leaders the script about why nothing is happening and life at the Mem is going to be the new norm and we’d better get used to it. I hope that’s not the case. UTG! G1981 owns a garage of some kind, he's hardly a high flying businessman who knows the ins and outs of property development/the construction industry. However you do have to fear he's heard from his contacts that the FM has stalled/isn't now going ahead, hence, the total silence on that front? I've always sensed Wael's nowhere near as wealthy as some fans think he is, and whilst he can write off £2m/£3m a season getting the money to finance a new stadium is beyond him, particularly now that construction costs have gone through the roof. If the FM is dead and no other sites are being seriously considered, I'm not sure where this leaves us as a club. Remember the "Evolution not revolution" mantra that was initially communicated by Wael. That was a very clever piece of communication and the man has ben 100% true to his word. Everything has to be judged against that mantra.
Bristol Rovers are evolving nicely into a football club that can compete (at what level it remains to be seen).
We have seen improvements across the football club, both on and off the pitch. The stadium issue will be dealt with at the correct time, I am sure of that.
I can imagine continual minor tweaks / improvements to The Mem until the time comes when an annoucement is made. A that point we can begin to judge.
For me (ignoring the stadium question which I know is critical to the long term future), the only realistic target the football club can have over the next 5 years is to have reached the Championship, ideally becoming established or at least a regular yo-yo club.
Obviously a new / updated stadium AND the Championship would be the ideal.
I am not defending the club (I too would have expected the new / updated stadium project to have been underway by now), but progress has to be measured against the "Evolution not revolution" mantra, which I would say the club has / is delivering.
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Post by Congas on Jul 25, 2022 10:08:10 GMT
I'll believe it's dead when I'm no longer peering at a piece of wasteland through a hole in a corrugated fence
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