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Post by aghast on Jul 27, 2022 16:43:28 GMT
But how do you know the club are actually trying to do anything, each time somebody raises the issue they just get shouted down, then another 6 months possess before it's raised again. Meanwhile available land/sites in Bristol slowly disappears. But in the same breath, how do we know they are not? Just because it isn’t in the public domain doesn’t mean nothing is happening and the people raising the questions, are they directly involved or have a given right to know or are they an average supporter who has no legal right to be informed? Yes it’s of interest but unless we have a direct and personal involvement, we have no right above anyone else to be given information until it’s in the public domain and that will happen when everything is 100% confirmed…. They have been burned too many times before with people leaking info before it’s ready to be released etc To me, the main clue that nothing is happening is that nothing has happened for 6 years and there has been a virtually total news blackout for 3. If there was good news to announce, it would be announced. Anyway TG himself has said the club are looking at other sites, so clearly nothing is happening at the FM and probably not elsewhere. I expect I'll be told to f*ck off and support another club for saying this. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2022 16:50:56 GMT
It is Bristol Rovers I follow and a new ground is needed. It is not a complaint against him but one would expect us to be closer than we are. We saw plans for a redeveloped Mem. We saw plans for a UWE. We were told we were close on other locations like Severside. We have not seen anything for ages. We left Eastville in 1986. We were fortunate to become sole owners of the Mem. If we want to bounce between L1 and L2 ten lets stay at the Mem, but financially it will be a struggle. I think we deserve to know what the future holds. Wael wasn’t involved in the plans for any of those but I appreciate the history of these failed ventures is a huge frustration to all us supporters. You won’t find any fan that doesn’t want a new stadium or redeveloped Mem and Wael will be as desperate as us to secure a new home, not just so we’ve got something nice and shiny to sit in but to stop these continuing losses which he has to support and allow us to progress as a football club. We would all love a running commentary of what discussions or projects are being worked on behind the scenes but that isn’t realistic, especially if we are part of a far bigger development project with other parties involved. We didn’t get a running commentary when the deal with UWE was being cooked up, as I recall nobody knew a thing until the artists impressions were plastered all over the Evening Post. Perhaps Wael overstepped the mark when he first admitted involvement with the Fruit Market and was told to keep quiet until all involved were ready to go public. Unless there is someone among us fans with hundreds of millions to invest and is willing to spend it on a stadium we have no choice but to be patient and support Wael not try and drive him away. Does anyone seriously think he doesn’t want to get the ground issue resolved, he’s shown himself to be a fan like the rest of us and he’s got the added incentive of protecting his (and his families) finances. Like I’ve said the constant sniping and negativity towards Wael is unnecessary and unhelpful. Unnecessary and unhelpful to who, if Wael's dealing with plans for a new stadium in the background I doubt he's worried if a few posters on Gaschat are questioning what's going on. The worry is he's actually doing nothing in the background, if not, do we just sit and watch the slow demise of the club just because Wael seems a decent bloke? At some point he's going to stop throwing £3m at the club each season, what happens then if we're still stuck at the Mem? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 27, 2022 17:04:44 GMT
But in the same breath, how do we know they are not? Just because it isn’t in the public domain doesn’t mean nothing is happening and the people raising the questions, are they directly involved or have a given right to know or are they an average supporter who has no legal right to be informed? Yes it’s of interest but unless we have a direct and personal involvement, we have no right above anyone else to be given information until it’s in the public domain and that will happen when everything is 100% confirmed…. They have been burned too many times before with people leaking info before it’s ready to be released etc To me, the main clue that nothing is happening is that nothing has happened for 6 years and there has been a virtually total news blackout for 3. If there was good news to announce, it would be announced. Anyway TG himself has said the club are looking at other sites, so clearly nothing is happening at the FM and probably not elsewhere. I expect I'll be told to f*ck off and support another club for saying this. You shouldn't though, should you. I can see the frustrations on both interpretations of events. Historically we've had some with ulterior motives and an interest in undermining the owners, for reasons which escape me. For me though, just because we aren't aware of what is happening doesn't mean that nothing is. Do we take the official narrative that a new stadium is needed and that they are looking or not? Certainly I wonder if Sam Frost is being used as an unofficial conduit by the club as they may not be able to say anything publicly at the moment. I can't see him using unreliable or unsanctioned sources as it would damage his contacts with the club and his own reputation. Just my interpretation, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 17:05:29 GMT
But in the same breath, how do we know they are not? Just because it isn’t in the public domain doesn’t mean nothing is happening and the people raising the questions, are they directly involved or have a given right to know or are they an average supporter who has no legal right to be informed? Yes it’s of interest but unless we have a direct and personal involvement, we have no right above anyone else to be given information until it’s in the public domain and that will happen when everything is 100% confirmed…. They have been burned too many times before with people leaking info before it’s ready to be released etc To me, the main clue that nothing is happening is that nothing has happened for 6 years and there has been a virtually total news blackout for 3. If there was good news to announce, it would be announced. Anyway TG himself has said the club are looking at other sites, so clearly nothing is happening at the FM and probably not elsewhere. I expect I'll be told to f*ck off and support another club for saying this. Your not wrong. Its our Club as supporters, its Wae'ls when it comes to the expenditure of the Club, so i guess balls in his court. PS. 600 by tomorrow, bets on!!!!! |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Jul 27, 2022 17:11:48 GMT
Has it really been 50 years? I thought we only moved to the Mem in 1996 and so it’s only 26 years or less as the Mem WAS the solution when we first moved back. Everything before that isn’t relevant as the Mem provided the solution. I don’t know for certain but I’d say it’s no more than 10 to 15 years we’ve been pursuing an alternative to the Mem? Yes we would like a new stadium as we’ve outgrown our current home and it’s no longer commercially viable but to say it’s 50 years is imo an exaggeration… There were plans to redevelop Eastville, including the thought it could have a roof. Am sure other schemes were discussed before going to Twerton. All hazy now but when were the schemes for nr Mangotsfield and Stoke Gifford announced? I recall Stoke Gifford had a separate athletic stadium. I agree but all of those I thought were before we bought the Mem and were attempts to come back to Bristol or in the case of Eastville try to improve our commercial opportunities... We bought the Mem and it was seen as our home ..... it’s only the redevelop the Mem, UWE and the FM discussions that are attempts to do something that I’m aware of and one is currently a live debate.. |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Jul 27, 2022 17:19:42 GMT
But in the same breath, how do we know they are not? Just because it isn’t in the public domain doesn’t mean nothing is happening and the people raising the questions, are they directly involved or have a given right to know or are they an average supporter who has no legal right to be informed? Yes it’s of interest but unless we have a direct and personal involvement, we have no right above anyone else to be given information until it’s in the public domain and that will happen when everything is 100% confirmed…. They have been burned too many times before with people leaking info before it’s ready to be released etc To me, the main clue that nothing is happening is that nothing has happened for 6 years and there has been a virtually total news blackout for 3. If there was good news to announce, it would be announced. Anyway TG himself has said the club are looking at other sites, so clearly nothing is happening at the FM and probably not elsewhere. I expect I'll be told to f*ck off and support another club for saying this. You could be right but for 2 of the last 3 years the economy and Covid etc has had a major impact meaning pretty much all building activity was delayed or put on hold. Re TG looking at other sites - that’s just good business acumen to make sure you have options, don’t get put over a barrel and hold a strong negotiating hand. It doesn’t necessarily mean nothing is happening though.... reality is, no one actually knows.... Prior to the last couple of years we had UWE which we pulled out from and then it naturally would take some time to commence new searches etc as well as the change in ownership holdings so in reality, whilst 6 years sounds long, has there realistically been that much time to do anything? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2022 17:20:25 GMT
For what it is worth, I have spoken to TG about staying at the Mem and a new stadium. He said that the club had looked at staying at the Mem but the main issue is location and access to the site . The club have looked at using park and ride to ferry supporters in to reduce traffic congestion but haven't taken it any further . They are looking at other sites and of course the one we all know about is the Fruity Market. The thing is that what ever happens we arn't going to be in a new stadium in the next few years , so i think we should all concentrate on the football, if we get promoted then the club will have two years to either make the Mem seated/ safe standing or move into a new stadium fit for purpose , so the owners will be forced into doing something. How are the club going to make the Mem all seater/safe standing or build a new stadium within 2 years, when it's already taken us 50 years to get seemingly nowhere? Although what are the actual rules as there's been no suggestions Luton are facing forced relegation, do clubs just have to come up with a plan rather than actually move into a new stadium. Perhaps Wael's plan is just get us in the Championship and sell up, then leave it for somebody else to solve the stadium problem? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2022 17:27:03 GMT
OVERNIGHT? This has been ongoing for nearly 50 years irrespective of who the owner is. Has it really been 50 years? I thought we only moved to the Mem in 1996 and so it’s only 26 years or less as the Mem WAS the solution when we first moved back. Everything before that isn’t relevant as the Mem provided the solution. I don’t know for certain but I’d say it’s no more than 10 to 15 years we’ve been pursuing an alternative to the Mem? Yes we would like a new stadium as we’ve outgrown our current home and it’s no longer commercially viable but to say it’s 50 years is imo an exaggeration… It was back in 1974 that the club suggested they were interested in a new stadium at Hambrook/Stoke Gifford. bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/history-of-failed-stadia-attempts.html |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Jul 27, 2022 17:41:01 GMT
Has it really been 50 years? I thought we only moved to the Mem in 1996 and so it’s only 26 years or less as the Mem WAS the solution when we first moved back. Everything before that isn’t relevant as the Mem provided the solution. I don’t know for certain but I’d say it’s no more than 10 to 15 years we’ve been pursuing an alternative to the Mem? Yes we would like a new stadium as we’ve outgrown our current home and it’s no longer commercially viable but to say it’s 50 years is imo an exaggeration… It was back in 1974 that the club suggested they were interested in a new stadium at Hambrook/Stoke Gifford. bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/history-of-failed-stadia-attempts.htmlDon’t dispute that we’ve looked at new stadiums many times before but all of the ones prior to our move back to the Mem don’t really count any more as the move to the Mem was the solution and result.... |
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Post by eric on Jul 27, 2022 17:45:26 GMT
Wael wasn’t involved in the plans for any of those but I appreciate the history of these failed ventures is a huge frustration to all us supporters. You won’t find any fan that doesn’t want a new stadium or redeveloped Mem and Wael will be as desperate as us to secure a new home, not just so we’ve got something nice and shiny to sit in but to stop these continuing losses which he has to support and allow us to progress as a football club. We would all love a running commentary of what discussions or projects are being worked on behind the scenes but that isn’t realistic, especially if we are part of a far bigger development project with other parties involved. We didn’t get a running commentary when the deal with UWE was being cooked up, as I recall nobody knew a thing until the artists impressions were plastered all over the Evening Post. Perhaps Wael overstepped the mark when he first admitted involvement with the Fruit Market and was told to keep quiet until all involved were ready to go public. Unless there is someone among us fans with hundreds of millions to invest and is willing to spend it on a stadium we have no choice but to be patient and support Wael not try and drive him away. Does anyone seriously think he doesn’t want to get the ground issue resolved, he’s shown himself to be a fan like the rest of us and he’s got the added incentive of protecting his (and his families) finances. Like I’ve said the constant sniping and negativity towards Wael is unnecessary and unhelpful. Unnecessary and unhelpful to who, if Wael's dealing with plans for a new stadium in the background I doubt he's worried if a few posters on Gaschat are questioning what's going on. The worry is he's actually doing nothing in the background, if not, do we just sit and watch the slow demise of the club just because Wael seems a decent bloke? At some point he's going to stop throwing £3m at the club each season, what happens then if we're still stuck at the Mem? I think it’s unhelpful if the negativity and sniping towards Wael gathers traction. Unless this mystery local gashead billionaire reveals himself Wael is our best hope of progressing as a football club and we are better off with him than without. The chances of him doing nothing in the background is very small I would have thought - how would he benefit from hanging onto an asset that is costing him £2m to £3m a year and likely losing value? Even the conspiracy theorists who for some weird reason think he’s only in it for money must surely expect him to be wanting to make the club stronger and capable of greater income generation to increase his assets value? |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 27, 2022 17:48:33 GMT
The club in its current guise has only been in its place for the last two years. I think it’s unfair to judge the club based on 50 years worth of ownership with that in mind.
Just because something has been one way for a long time is not to mean it’ll be that way forever.
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Post by Westy on Jul 27, 2022 17:52:49 GMT
Has it really been 50 years? I thought we only moved to the Mem in 1996 and so it’s only 26 years or less as the Mem WAS the solution when we first moved back. Everything before that isn’t relevant as the Mem provided the solution. I don’t know for certain but I’d say it’s no more than 10 to 15 years we’ve been pursuing an alternative to the Mem? Yes we would like a new stadium as we’ve outgrown our current home and it’s no longer commercially viable but to say it’s 50 years is imo an exaggeration… There were plans to redevelop Eastville, including the thought it could have a roof. Am sure other schemes were discussed before going to Twerton. All hazy now but when were the schemes for nr Mangotsfield and Stoke Gifford announced? I recall Stoke Gifford had a separate athletic stadium. Build a stadium with a retractable floor and we're golden. Our club needs a new home and this city needs a venue for some big music acts. I know Elton John played at Ashton gate a few weeks ago but that's more of an exception that proves the rule. You can't really get much bigger than him, and it's almost laughable that no one is bothering to build an arena in the city. Rovers need a new stadium, and city needs somewhere for big bands to play. Yes I know the brabazon hanger is being developed, but the capacity is so small. I've worked in the music industry for over 15 years. What YTL are building there isn't going to do the job to attract some of the bigger names. For example, Metallica aren't going to do a gig in a 10,000 stadium. Waels a Dam idiot for not seeing the potential that building a dual purpose arena could bring, to both the city and therefore his own bank account. This is off the cuff, I've had a few beers and I'm having a rant. Just that's the way I see things right now. He doesn't have the money to build a stadium, otherwise he would have just gone and done it. And as some others have mentioned before, forking out £3m a year to bail us out probably isn't going to help the situation. I mean, even a billionaire would tire of such a loss maker. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 27, 2022 18:26:14 GMT
There were plans to redevelop Eastville, including the thought it could have a roof. Am sure other schemes were discussed before going to Twerton. All hazy now but when were the schemes for nr Mangotsfield and Stoke Gifford announced? I recall Stoke Gifford had a separate athletic stadium. Build a stadium with a retractable floor and we're golden. Our club needs a new home and this city needs a venue for some big music acts. I know Elton John played at Ashton gate a few weeks ago but that's more of an exception that proves the rule. You can't really get much bigger than him, and it's almost laughable that no one is bothering to build an arena in the city. Rovers need a new stadium, and city needs somewhere for big bands to play. Yes I know the brabazon hanger is being developed, but the capacity is so small. I've worked in the music industry for over 15 years. What YTL are building there isn't going to do the job to attract some of the bigger names. For example, Metallica aren't going to do a gig in a 10,000 stadium. Waels a Dam idiot for not seeing the potential that building a dual purpose arena could bring, to both the city and therefore his own bank account. This is off the cuff, I've had a few beers and I'm having a rant. Just that's the way I see things right now. He doesn't have the money to build a stadium, otherwise he would have just gone and done it. And as some others have mentioned before, forking out £3m a year to bail us out probably isn't going to help the situation. I mean, even a billionaire would tire of such a loss maker. Have the plans changed? I thought Brabazon was going to be over 17,000 making it the third largest venue in the country, after the O2 and MEN. |
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Post by Westy on Jul 27, 2022 18:34:38 GMT
Build a stadium with a retractable floor and we're golden. Our club needs a new home and this city needs a venue for some big music acts. I know Elton John played at Ashton gate a few weeks ago but that's more of an exception that proves the rule. You can't really get much bigger than him, and it's almost laughable that no one is bothering to build an arena in the city. Rovers need a new stadium, and city needs somewhere for big bands to play. Yes I know the brabazon hanger is being developed, but the capacity is so small. I've worked in the music industry for over 15 years. What YTL are building there isn't going to do the job to attract some of the bigger names. For example, Metallica aren't going to do a gig in a 10,000 stadium. Waels a Dam idiot for not seeing the potential that building a dual purpose arena could bring, to both the city and therefore his own bank account. This is off the cuff, I've had a few beers and I'm having a rant. Just that's the way I see things right now. He doesn't have the money to build a stadium, otherwise he would have just gone and done it. And as some others have mentioned before, forking out £3m a year to bail us out probably isn't going to help the situation. I mean, even a billionaire would tire of such a loss maker. Have the plans changed? I thought Brabazon was going to be over 17,000 making it the third largest venue in the country, after the O2 and MEN. 17,000 is nothing. Do you think pink Floyd or guns and roses would play to that? |
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Post by Westy on Jul 27, 2022 18:43:17 GMT
Have the plans changed? I thought Brabazon was going to be over 17,000 making it the third largest venue in the country, after the O2 and MEN. 17,000 is nothing. Do you think pink Floyd or guns and roses would play to that? Obviously that's hyperbolic. I'm just saying, we could become one of the centres of music for the whole country. It's frustrating that we're not. Ashton gate are getting Elton John and our owner is twiddling his thumbs. If we would like to attract a 50,000 gig, then we need to have the facilities in place. Right now we don't, but rovers need a new ground and apparently we have a millionaire sat at the wheel. I don't think he's going to be a millionaire for very long. £3m a season is seriously going to deplete your funds. Whereas perhaps in 10 years, £3m a year coupled by ten years, we could be spending time in a new stadium that's already 5 years old,£30 million spent now will go a lot way further than it will in the future. And we can be entertaining the likes of the rolling stones (I mean, Keith moon will probably still be alive then!) Our owner has a real opportunity here, to spend a big bit of money I know. And obviously not money that I have myself either. But he could capitalize on the aching need this city has for a large scale music venue, as well as for our team's aching need for a new stadium. At the same. time |
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Post by pirate on Jul 27, 2022 18:53:14 GMT
17,000 is nothing. Do you think pink Floyd or guns and roses would play to that? Obviously that's hyperbolic. I'm just saying, we could become one of the centres of music for the whole country. It's frustrating that we're not. Ashton gate are getting Elton John and our owner is twiddling his thumbs. If we would like to attract a 50,000 gig, then we need to have the facilities in place. Right now we don't, but rovers need a new ground and apparently we have a millionaire sat at the wheel. I don't think he's going to be a millionaire for very long. £3m a season is seriously going to deplete your funds. Whereas perhaps in 10 years, £3m a year coupled by ten years, we could be spending time in a new stadium that's already 5 years old,£30 million spent now will go a lot way further than it will in the future. And we can be entertaining the likes of the rolling stones (I mean, Keith moon will probably still be alive then!) Our owner has a real opportunity here, to spend a big bit of money I know. And obviously not money that I have myself either. But he could capitalize on the aching need this city has for a large scale music venue, as well as for our team's aching need for a new stadium. At the same. time Keith Moon died 40 odd years ago. You're thinking Keef Richards. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2022 19:09:09 GMT
The club in its current guise has only been in its place for the last two years. I think it’s unfair to judge the club based on 50 years worth of ownership with that in mind. Just because something has been one way for a long time is not to mean it’ll be that way forever. Wael's owned the club one way or another for 5 years, it's pretty clear he headed the failed UWE talks, if the argument is that Hani wouldn't sign the deal off then why hasn't Wael reopened negotiations in the last 2 years as nothing else seems to have been built on the land. What I don't get is how fans can say give him time, f off if you want an update etc, when are fans actually going to demand answers, another 5 years, 10 years or simply never as watching games at the Mem is a good day out? |
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Post by eric on Jul 27, 2022 19:13:41 GMT
The club in its current guise has only been in its place for the last two years. I think it’s unfair to judge the club based on 50 years worth of ownership with that in mind. Just because something has been one way for a long time is not to mean it’ll be that way forever. Wael's owned the club one way or another for 5 years, it's pretty clear he headed the failed UWE talks, if the argument is that Hani wouldn't sign the deal off then why hasn't Wael reopened negotiations in the last 2 years as nothing else seems to have been built on the land. What I don't get is how fans can say give him time, f off if you want an update etc, when are fans actually going to demand answers, another 5 years, 10 years or simply never as watching games at the Mem is a good day out? Go ahead, he’s always quite visible around the ground so catch him and demand he answers your questions. Perhaps you could feedback on here once he’s given you a full briefing so we all know exactly what his plans are. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 27, 2022 19:17:58 GMT
The club in its current guise has only been in its place for the last two years. I think it’s unfair to judge the club based on 50 years worth of ownership with that in mind. Just because something has been one way for a long time is not to mean it’ll be that way forever. Wael's owned the club one way or another for 5 years, it's pretty clear he headed the failed UWE talks, if the argument is that Hani wouldn't sign the deal off then why hasn't Wael reopened negotiations in the last 2 years as nothing else seems to have been built on the land. What I don't get is how fans can say give him time, f off if you want an update etc, when are fans actually going to demand answers, another 5 years, 10 years or simply never as watching games at the Mem is a good day out? What does "demanding answers" achieve? It's a complex problem. Chucking toys out of prams doesn't make the stadium get planned/built any quicker. These things can take decades. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 27, 2022 20:26:47 GMT
Can we get Micheal Cunnah back?
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