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Post by aghast on Oct 7, 2022 16:58:34 GMT
Instead of worrying about a new stadium, people need to live in the here and now. Right now we are at the Mem, and if you genuinely don't enjoy it there then what are you doing on this forum? It has soul, history and can generate an amazing atmosphere! I have had some brilliant shared experiences with family at the Mem. I applaud the work that has been done to improve it since Wael came in. I have faith that a new stadium will be built, but who knows how long that will take? If you spend all your time yearning for something new, you risk missing the good things that are staring you in the face right now. It is quite possible to support Rovers and be a member of this forum without feeling misplaced affection for the Mem. All I see staring me in the face is a rusting embarrassment. But I will still support and watch the team. A new stadium is no guarantee of success, but a stadium like the Mem is a guarantee of failure. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 7, 2022 17:50:29 GMT
"long enough" surely you haven't been relying upon those comments for over 5 years, when Wael hasn't mentioned anything about a new stadium for years? The last update by Wael was along the lines that there was nothing going to happen any time soon. If he was interested in progressing a project, then I am sure he would have mentioned it. But we know Congyer Investments have been in talks with the FM owners and their plans apparently included a football stadium, so it seems talks were taking place whether or not Wael mentioned it, whether talks came to fruition or simply ended with no agreement is anybody's guess, the longer it goes on with no positive news makes you fear the latter. As far as fans saying forget all about a new stadium and just enjoy the Mem, how long do they think we can realistically survive at the Mem in it's present state of (dis)repair, and are they content that mid to lower L1 is now effectively our ceiling? |
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Post by playtowin on Oct 7, 2022 19:12:26 GMT
Yep a site once every 12 years so Wael has 7 years before he can be called a failure. I think in 50 years we have had. Redevelop Eastville Mangotsfield Bradley Stoke Avonmouth Redevelop Mem UWE Rumour re Fruit Market. Any missed? I seem to recall talk of building out near abbeywood on what became the Hewlett Packard site. Was it a rubbish tip before ...not sure. That was before the Carsons rd (mangotsfield) plan. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 7, 2022 19:34:16 GMT
I think in 50 years we have had. Redevelop Eastville Mangotsfield Bradley Stoke Avonmouth Redevelop Mem UWE Rumour re Fruit Market. Any missed? I seem to recall talk of building out near abbeywood on what became the Hewlett Packard site. Was it a rubbish tip before ...not sure. That was before the Carsons rd (mangotsfield) plan. These plans for Hambrook were the only one's I can recall? bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/hambrook.html |
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Post by stapletongas on Oct 7, 2022 20:50:05 GMT
It'll be some time before the financial climate is right for building a stadium
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 20:56:05 GMT
I seem to remember where the relatively new Lockleaze sports centre site and field were considered years ago.
But that was way before the UWE plans.
It’s one of those Chicken and Egg conundrums I fear. Need the volume of supporters paying £20 quid a ticket x20 thousand each week and TV money to break ground. (Ie Championship). I guess we would have the support each week I don’t know.
Or mortgage yourself to the hilt in the hope of getting yourself to the Championship and most importantly staying there. Making sure repaying it before going bust in L1, L2.
I used to love going to the casino with a couple of hundred quid in my younger days, not so sure with the money involved at the top table I would be willing to stick multi millions on black or red to guarantee not getting repossessed and losing it all.
A very fine line in our current position IMO, being a constant L1, L2 club. It’s not sustainable to pay I guess upwards of surely 60 million plus for a ground.
There will be many more qualified than me on here that can quantify the potential cost of a ground.
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Post by toggsy2 on Oct 7, 2022 23:23:22 GMT
I wonder how this new congestion charge will effect future attendances I know I won't be attending as many games as I normally do as I will have to use the congestion zone to attend or use public transport which isn't the best
On the plus side the congestion charge effects the Teds more than the Gas as its right on their doorstep.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Oct 8, 2022 0:31:48 GMT
That is not totally correct, the Rugby Club were facing administration caused by not being able to cover the cost of the West stand, so they did a deal with Rovers to sell 50 percent of the stadium ownership to the club for two million this would help the rugby club pay its debts and finish the stand. Part of the agreement was if either party went bankrupt the other party would take full ownership of the Mem. Dunford did a very clever bit of work because not long after securing the 50 percent ownership, the rugby club went to the wall and Rovers got the rest of the ground with no extra cost. The club did have a mortgage on the stadium as you say. Since I started supporting the football club the Dunfords/Rovers purchase of the stadium and The Beeches traning ground have been the biggest off the pitch achievement, the biggest on the pitch was promotion to what is now the championship that was also under the Dunfords. So they are ahead of Wael at the moment , but a new stadium could change all that. The way I remember it was that we bought 50% of the Mem from Bristol Rugby (for £1m?) with a condition in the contract saying that if either party went bankrupt then the other can buy out their stake for £1. Bristol Rugby went bankrupt and so we took over their share. Correct except it was £2.3m for 50% and £10k to take the other share. |
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Post by DrFaustus on Oct 8, 2022 7:24:13 GMT
I wonder how this new congestion charge will effect future attendances I know I won't be attending as many games as I normally do as I will have to use the congestion zone to attend or use public transport which isn't the best On the plus side the congestion charge effects the Teds more than the Gas as its right on their doorstep. Unless you have certain diesel vehicles or a pre 2006 petrol car, the clean air zone is unlikely to affect you. www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz/charges-and-vehicle-checker |
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 8, 2022 7:55:32 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 8, 2022 8:06:33 GMT
Aren't Bristol Uni building lots of accommodation, coincidentally, around Temple Meads? ETA: That article is from 2019. |
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 8, 2022 9:50:46 GMT
We need some good news soon, personally never was in favour of the Fruit market, need collaboration with South Gloucestershire council planning to identify a site.
Now 82 ers have planning on green belt expect us to try for the quarters 😂😂
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Post by toggsy2 on Oct 8, 2022 10:11:59 GMT
I wonder how this new congestion charge will effect future attendances I know I won't be attending as many games as I normally do as I will have to use the congestion zone to attend or use public transport which isn't the best On the plus side the congestion charge effects the Teds more than the Gas as its right on their doorstep. Unless you have certain diesel vehicles or a pre 2006 petrol car, the clean air zone is unlikely to affect you. www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz/charges-and-vehicle-checkerI have a diesel which is not a 4x4 and old by any means, it's just the run of the mill car. Not sure how they've worked the emissions out as I can drive in other cities with a congestion charge with no charge ie Bath Yet I have to pay in Bristol and Birmingham. IMO it's just another b******t tax |
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Post by craigo on Oct 8, 2022 10:25:46 GMT
I have a diesel which is not a 4x4 and old by any means, it's just the run of the mill car. Not sure how they've worked the emissions out as I can drive in other cities with a congestion charge with no charge ie Bath Yet I have to pay in Bristol and Birmingham. IMO it's just another b******t tax Based on Nox emissions which are particularly nasty health wise, euro 4 petrol 2006 onwards and euro 6 diesel 2016 onwards have the same Nox limits. Agree another motoring tax that will eventually turn into a congestion tax when we're all driving electric cars. |
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Post by wertongas on Oct 8, 2022 10:49:22 GMT
It'll be some time before the financial climate is right for building a stadium Exactly, with huge government borrowing doubling interest rates, and the pound falling pushing inflation even hirer, most investors and developers will think twice about going ahead with projects while we have Truss economics . The banking collapse of 2008 caused developers to pull out of the student accommodation development of the Mem could happen all over again. |
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Post by playtowin on Oct 8, 2022 11:07:38 GMT
I seem to recall talk of building out near abbeywood on what became the Hewlett Packard site. Was it a rubbish tip before ...not sure. That was before the Carsons rd (mangotsfield) plan. These plans for Hambrook were the only one's I can recall? bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/hambrook.htmlIm not sure it got as far as drawing pictures etc just a site talked about. One thing people should learn though (in ref to the stoke gifford horrified villagers) is that your area will vanish as it was and become part of a sprawl of development. The moment a big plan like a stadium is in the offing.It shows the area is up for grabs. My advice is accept it will change then consider what will impact you most on a daily basis. Then decide to either move or put up with the change. I suggest move to retain "your" way of life. |
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Post by wertongas on Oct 8, 2022 11:28:01 GMT
The way I remember it was that we bought 50% of the Mem from Bristol Rugby (for £1m?) with a condition in the contract saying that if either party went bankrupt then the other can buy out their stake for £1. Bristol Rugby went bankrupt and so we took over their share. Correct except it was £2.3m for 50% and £10k to take the other share. Yes that is the figure I had. It is not the money so much as the clever bit of business, Dunford's purchased a stadium for just over 2.3 million which if what TG intimated is now worth between 20- 25 million, even with inflation that is a good profit. Dunford's were good business people. |
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 8, 2022 12:39:20 GMT
Aren't Bristol Uni building lots of accommodation, coincidentally, around Temple Meads? ETA: That article is from 2019. Sorry, wrong piece of evidence.
This was more recent from a couple of days ago: |
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Post by Gashead73 on Oct 8, 2022 12:43:30 GMT
I'm 49 now, been hearing about a new Stadium since I first started watching Rovers in 1979 as a sparkly eyed 6 year old.
20-30 years left if I'm lucky but I can still see us being at the Mem for the vast majority of my years to come.
I pray that we start building somewhere within 5-6 years
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Post by toggsy2 on Oct 8, 2022 13:44:52 GMT
Yep a site once every 12 years so Wael has 7 years before he can be called a failure. I think in 50 years we have had. Redevelop Eastville Mangotsfield Bradley Stoke Avonmouth Redevelop Mem UWE Rumour re Fruit Market. Any missed? Wasn't Rolls Royce Filton mentioned at one point or was that just fan gossip we've had that many false starts and ideas it's hard to keep track. |
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