|
|
Post by darkbluegas on Nov 30, 2022 11:57:28 GMT
The old Dinosaur stadiums like Belle View(Doncaster) Millmoor (Rotherham) Saltergate (Chesterfield) Bootham Cres (York) Boothferry Park(Hull) Leeds Road (Huddersfield) Wimbledon, Shrewsbury,etc are all gone.Worst ever was Northampton's three sided ground they shared with the County cricket club.A Scaffolding stand and dreadful floodlights but that too has been replaced.Lincoln too had a scaffolding stand at one point. Very very frustrating when I see even non league clubs improving the grounds even little Beer Albion down here who have club linesmen have really done a great job at their cliff top ground with massive improvements.Richard Walker heavily involved there. We can't do anything though just sigh.Paid into some scheme for years which may have helped with the roof but after Eastville and Twerton we should be sorted by now but suspect at 77 ,I will never see anything.Even if something was announced today,it would take many years to come to fruition but taking a disabled guy to the Mem isn't the best experience even compared to Telford,Chester,Macclesfield now or Oswestry. It must be really tough taking someone with mobility issues to the games. I find it really sad to see people having to deal with those issues at our dilapidated stadium. I've had family members/friends who no longer attend games due to the conditions at the ground. I think Wael has done really well to keep things ticking over. Probably down to external factors but we're not really any further forward than we were when he arrived. As we now probably have the most embarrassing stadium in all four leagues I think he now should be dealing with the issue in conjunction with fans in an open manner. He must surely understand the importance of looking after his customers. I doubt any of his banks have canvas roofs or scaffolding walls |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Nov 30, 2022 12:07:39 GMT
Whilst it remains the owners belief that the only sustainable future for the football club lies in a brand new stadium at a new location then we are not going to get much improvement at the Mem. If I was in his shoes I’d be thinking the same, why spend significant sums of money on something you genuinely hope will be getting knocked down in the hopefully not too distant future.
Therefore, in the short term all we will ever get is sponsor funded improvements such as tents, bar upgrades and necessities driven by H&S. The problem is how long can the owner/club hold out? Will he at some point be able to sell to a new owner who he can trust as custodian of the club - I believe he would only sell to someone he trusts as his love of the club is 100% genuine imo. If he were to undertake major upgrades to the Mem and he was right all along that the revenue at that location didn’t allow us to be sustainable where does that leave us and him? Would we attract new owners in the longer term if we were saddled with a huge mortgage for the development and insufficient revenue to cover our costs?
|
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Nov 30, 2022 12:08:21 GMT
Rust is not the only thing holding any metalwork together, fact, it's a ground which is unlikely to attract many new supporters with facilities akin to the 1970s. Most clubs have moved on withe developing their grounds, unfortunately, most of the recent custodians of BRFC have not either had the commercial acumen or the money to build a new stadium, Waq has said in this current financial market he will not be building a new stadium, so why people still cling on to Waq building a stadium any time soon in St Phillips is really strange. Personally, I am waiting for Waq to make a fresh statement on the matter, although, while I really hope I am proved wrong, I cannot see BRFC having a new stadium under Waq within the next decade. Has Wael said he won’t be building a stadium? I’ve not heard that so could you point me in the right direction? PH57 is just exaggerating the "frozen" comments made by Wael in order to support his agenda, none of us really know the true picture. |
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Nov 30, 2022 12:13:11 GMT
No you never have got that logic and you never will. Football is littered with examples of something being good for the owners but not the clubs they own. Your post above is full of made up nonsense to support the ALQs pulling out. None of it is fact. Anyone who could read the plans or listen to the interviews could come to the exact opposite conclusion than you have. Geoff Dunford did and I’d trust his opinion over yours every day of the week! You can't be serious?? How can I make it up, when it was all in the plans. So you can't say the opposite. How could someone say it didn't have a lecture hall, jogging track, uni gym etc for the students??? You struggle with a lot, by the looks of it and can never answer a question, when asked. You can never say, why it's good for the club and not for the owner, as it's not possible🤣. I assume it also had facilities for a football club, clearly NH and then Wael/Hani thought the plans were good enough to discuss them for at least half a decade, it's not like the Al-Qadi's took one look at the plans once they completed the takeover and kicked them into touch. Wael even talked about an exciting, or interesting?, further piece of land next to the stadium he felt could also be developed (for a hotel?). We'll never really know why the deal wasn't completed. How much have we lost each season since whilst stuck at the Mem? |
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Nov 30, 2022 12:41:04 GMT
Whilst it remains the owners belief that the only sustainable future for the football club lies in a brand new stadium at a new location then we are not going to get much improvement at the Mem. If I was in his shoes I’d be thinking the same, why spend significant sums of money on something you genuinely hope will be getting knocked down in the hopefully not too distant future. Therefore, in the short term all we will ever get is sponsor funded improvements such as tents, bar upgrades and necessities driven by H&S. The problem is how long can the owner/club hold out? Will he at some point be able to sell to a new owner who he can trust as custodian of the club - I believe he would only sell to someone he trusts as his love of the club is 100% genuine imo. If he were to undertake major upgrades to the Mem and he was right all along that the revenue at that location didn’t allow us to be sustainable where does that leave us and him? Would we attract new owners in the longer term if we were saddled with a huge mortgage for the development and insufficient revenue to cover our costs? Why do you feel Wael would ever consider selling the club when he doesn't seem to have any interests outside of football, what's he going to do if he sells Rovers? What I can't understand is how TG managed to attend a fans forum and not get seriously questioned about the state of the Mem and the urgent need for a new ground, unless he did and any fan attending had to sign an NDA. |
|
|
|
Post by singupgas on Nov 30, 2022 12:44:22 GMT
Has Wael said he won’t be building a stadium? I’ve not heard that so could you point me in the right direction? PH57 is just exaggerating the "frozen" comments made by Wael in order to support his agenda, none of us really know the true picture. PH57 may be exaggerating, but also to be contrary there is absolutely nothing to suggest that we are working on a new stadium in anyway. Other than a comment Wael made in August 2019. As PH57 has said there will be generations of fans that will not come to watch Rovers, as more years pass The Mem becomes more tired. League 1 is becoming harder to compete in, just look at some of the clubs that have fallen, they have been replaced by better ran and invested in clubs that now have their spot in the Championship and Prem. We will fall into the same trap before long, where we will fall once again into league 2 and replaced by Wrexham, Salford, and other clubs which will have money heavily invested in them. I don't know if we are waiting to fall on our faces with realisation we have missed another opportunity to build and grow as a club. |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Nov 30, 2022 13:11:20 GMT
Whilst it remains the owners belief that the only sustainable future for the football club lies in a brand new stadium at a new location then we are not going to get much improvement at the Mem. If I was in his shoes I’d be thinking the same, why spend significant sums of money on something you genuinely hope will be getting knocked down in the hopefully not too distant future. Therefore, in the short term all we will ever get is sponsor funded improvements such as tents, bar upgrades and necessities driven by H&S. The problem is how long can the owner/club hold out? Will he at some point be able to sell to a new owner who he can trust as custodian of the club - I believe he would only sell to someone he trusts as his love of the club is 100% genuine imo. If he were to undertake major upgrades to the Mem and he was right all along that the revenue at that location didn’t allow us to be sustainable where does that leave us and him? Would we attract new owners in the longer term if we were saddled with a huge mortgage for the development and insufficient revenue to cover our costs? Why do you feel Wael would ever consider selling the club when he doesn't seem to have any interests outside of football, what's he going to do if he sells Rovers? What I can't understand is how TG managed to attend a fans forum and not get seriously questioned about the state of the Mem and the urgent need for a new ground, unless he did and any fan attending had to sign an NDA. You obviously know more than me about his hobbies and interests. My guess would be that if his efforts at finding a viable location for a new stadium fail and he remains adamant that the Mem is not viable long term then what options does he have? I don’t doubt he loves football and loves Rovers but he cannot support a loss making operation long term. Perhaps he will consider selling to the right person if that person thinks they can come up with a new stadium or make a success of a revamped Mem? Who knows. |
|
|
|
Post by bluebiro on Nov 30, 2022 13:20:33 GMT
What is viable and sustainable?City losing millions in their redeveloped football and Rugby stadium and currently have a free reign for match day hospitality in bristol . How do you make our new ground viable? make it a 60k in the hope of filling it up.
|
|
|
|
Post by eric on Nov 30, 2022 13:35:26 GMT
What is viable and sustainable?City losing millions in their redeveloped football and Rugby stadium and currently have a free reign for match day hospitality in bristol . How do you make our new ground viable? make it a 60k in the hope of filling it up. City have been able to be blasé with their spending on fees and wages as they have a billionaire owner who until recently appears happy to have swallowed all the losses personally. Owners like that are few and far between, even rarer in teams further down the pyramid. I view viable and sustainable as having a stadium (new or a redevelopment) that enables us to operate without making losses season after season. Wael and Co will know the details from feasibility studies on redevelopment but won’t be sharing any details with us so we are left to make our own educated guesses. No I don’t think we need a 60,000 stadium to be sustainable. I think everyone knows there is more to it than simply matchday revenue, a stadium really needs to have income generating potential every day of the week. Matchday plays a part obviously and decent facilities and improved hospitality options will increase attendances and revenue. |
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Nov 30, 2022 13:50:00 GMT
Why do you feel Wael would ever consider selling the club when he doesn't seem to have any interests outside of football, what's he going to do if he sells Rovers? What I can't understand is how TG managed to attend a fans forum and not get seriously questioned about the state of the Mem and the urgent need for a new ground, unless he did and any fan attending had to sign an NDA. You obviously know more than me about his hobbies and interests. My guess would be that if his efforts at finding a viable location for a new stadium fail and he remains adamant that the Mem is not viable long term then what options does he have? I don’t doubt he loves football and loves Rovers but he cannot support a loss making operation long term. Perhaps he will consider selling to the right person if that person thinks they can come up with a new stadium or make a success of a revamped Mem? Who knows. He wrote off £35 mil a few years ago, he paid to keep it all going during lockdown, he said in a few interviews that he knew what he was getting into when purchasing a football club, we're in Lg1 and I've not heard anything to suggest he's not happy with the way things are going. Think we should leave it at that. |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Nov 30, 2022 13:56:34 GMT
You obviously know more than me about his hobbies and interests. My guess would be that if his efforts at finding a viable location for a new stadium fail and he remains adamant that the Mem is not viable long term then what options does he have? I don’t doubt he loves football and loves Rovers but he cannot support a loss making operation long term. Perhaps he will consider selling to the right person if that person thinks they can come up with a new stadium or make a success of a revamped Mem? Who knows. He wrote off £35 mil a few years ago, he paid to keep it all going during lockdown, he said in a few interviews that he knew what he was getting into when purchasing a football club, we're in Lg1 and I've not heard anything to suggest he's not happy with the way things are going. Think we should leave it at that. Just my opinion and I can’t see he will be happy to fund losses indefinitely if all efforts to find us a new home are not successful. If and when he reaches that point who knows. Personally, I hope he stays with us long term and finds a way to deliver a stadium as not many clubs have an owner so emotionally invested in the club - he is a fan the same as us. |
|
|
|
Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 30, 2022 14:32:14 GMT
No you never have got that logic and you never will. Football is littered with examples of something being good for the owners but not the clubs they own. Your post above is full of made up nonsense to support the ALQs pulling out. None of it is fact. Anyone who could read the plans or listen to the interviews could come to the exact opposite conclusion than you have. Geoff Dunford did and I’d trust his opinion over yours every day of the week! You can't be serious?? How can I make it up, when it was all in the plans. So you can't say the opposite. How could someone say it didn't have a lecture hall, jogging track, uni gym etc for the students??? You struggle with a lot, by the looks of it and can never answer a question, when asked. You can never say, why it's good for the club and not for the owner, as it's not possible🤣. It’s not possible in your simple way of thinking Daniel. So, as Nick Higgs was so keen to do a deal with UWE that he nearly bankrupted the club taking Wonga style loans to fight a lost cause with Sainsburys, do you think as owner he was acting in such way that was good for him and bad for the club he owned? |
|
|
|
Post by daniel300380 on Nov 30, 2022 14:57:07 GMT
You can't be serious?? How can I make it up, when it was all in the plans. So you can't say the opposite. How could someone say it didn't have a lecture hall, jogging track, uni gym etc for the students??? You struggle with a lot, by the looks of it and can never answer a question, when asked. You can never say, why it's good for the club and not for the owner, as it's not possible🤣. It’s not possible in your simple way of thinking Daniel. So, as Nick Higgs was so keen to do a deal with UWE that he nearly bankrupted the club taking Wonga style loans to fight a lost cause with Sainsburys, do you think as owner he was acting in such way that was good for him and bad for the club he owned? It was bad for both parties as he was the owner! It put the club that he owned in debt. He got out, while he could though. If it was such a good deal, finance dumb another source, wouldn't have been a problem. It's not possible to explain, because you don't know either🤣. Give a few examples of something that's good for the club, but not for the owner. That will make the club money and not the owner. How could uwe have been a good deal for us, but not for the owner?? You can't even think of one. That's why your just say, you wouldn't understand. You just think, if you keep saying it, it might become true🤣 |
|
|
|
Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 30, 2022 15:17:11 GMT
It’s not possible in your simple way of thinking Daniel. So, as Nick Higgs was so keen to do a deal with UWE that he nearly bankrupted the club taking Wonga style loans to fight a lost cause with Sainsburys, do you think as owner he was acting in such way that was good for him and bad for the club he owned? It was bad for both parties as he was the owner! It put the club that he owned in debt. He got out, while he could though. If it was such a good deal, finance dumb another source, wouldn't have been a problem. It's not possible to explain, because you don't know either🤣. Give a few examples of something that's good for the club, but not for the owner. That will make the club money and not the owner. How could uwe have been a good deal for us, but not for the owner?? You can't even think of one. That's why your just say, you wouldn't understand. You just think, if you keep saying it, it might become true🤣 The loan was to fight a court case not build a stadium! Are you deliberately misrepresenting facts or just so devoted to Wael you just make them up to conflate two utterly separate things? Geoff Dunford thought UWE was a good deal for the club. Higgs thought the same. Steve Hamer the same. It wasn’t though a good deal for the ALQ family because it didn’t give them personally the return on investment they wanted to put their capital at risk. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have been a good enough deal for the FC. The FC is a separate entity to the ALQ family and the return on investment requirements will not necessarily be the same. |
|
|
|
Post by daniel300380 on Nov 30, 2022 16:10:43 GMT
It was bad for both parties as he was the owner! It put the club that he owned in debt. He got out, while he could though. If it was such a good deal, finance dumb another source, wouldn't have been a problem. It's not possible to explain, because you don't know either🤣. Give a few examples of something that's good for the club, but not for the owner. That will make the club money and not the owner. How could uwe have been a good deal for us, but not for the owner?? You can't even think of one. That's why your just say, you wouldn't understand. You just think, if you keep saying it, it might become true🤣 The loan was to fight a court case not build a stadium! Are you deliberately misrepresenting facts or just so devoted to Wael you just make them up to conflate two utterly separate things? Geoff Dunford thought UWE was a good deal for the club. Higgs thought the same. Steve Hamer the same. It wasn’t though a good deal for the ALQ family because it didn’t give them personally the return on investment they wanted to put their capital at risk. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have been a good enough deal for the FC. The FC is a separate entity to the ALQ family and the return on investment requirements will not necessarily be the same. That makes no sense and you know it. If it's not giving a return to the owners, you do know it's not given a return to the club?? If the club becomes more substainable, then the value goes up. The loan was taken to give the owners more time, which gave the club more time. It was a risk to the club and owners though! Waels that bothered about a personal return, that he wrote off millions of debt! I'm not even a Wael fan, I'm in the middle. I just use facts though and not made up stuff. If someone can come in and build a stadium that is aimed at us, I'm all for it and Wael can move aside. Higgs also said the Sainsburys deal was water tight, they were desperate and would have signed anything. Did Dunford say how a jogging track for students helps to improve the atmosphere as the fans are further from the pitch🤣. Did he say having a lecture hall for the uni was good for the club? I expect he was just talking in general, saying it's good for the club no knowing the details and you took it literally. I'm just going by what was in the public domain and it looked like the majority of the stuff, was aimed at uwe, including naming rights. |
|
|
|
Post by Tilly's Thighs on Nov 30, 2022 16:24:01 GMT
The old Dinosaur stadiums like Belle View(Doncaster) Millmoor (Rotherham) Saltergate (Chesterfield) Bootham Cres (York) Boothferry Park(Hull) Leeds Road (Huddersfield) Wimbledon, Shrewsbury,etc are all gone.Worst ever was Northampton's three sided ground they shared with the County cricket club.A Scaffolding stand and dreadful floodlights but that too has been replaced.Lincoln too had a scaffolding stand at one point. Very very frustrating when I see even non league clubs improving the grounds even little Beer Albion down here who have club linesmen have really done a great job at their cliff top ground with massive improvements.Richard Walker heavily involved there. We can't do anything though just sigh.Paid into some scheme for years which may have helped with the roof but after Eastville and Twerton we should be sorted by now but suspect at 77 ,I will never see anything.Even if something was announced today,it would take many years to come to fruition but taking a disabled guy to the Mem isn't the best experience even compared to Telford,Chester,Macclesfield now or Oswestry. sadly Colyton many of us will never see an improvement. Talking of Northamptons old three sided ground i believe that will be us in a few years time even a two sided ground with a open North terrace again. As I said earlier h and s will take many things out of our hands and as you alluded the provision of facilities for any disability. Lack of hygiene availability will also be a major issue for this club. Why will the North Terrace be open again? If you envisage a two sided ground, which stands do you think would remain in use? The attached facilities are certainly long overdue an upgrade, and some changes made to facilitate the attendance of people with disabilities. |
|
|
|
Post by Quarters on Nov 30, 2022 16:38:34 GMT
The loan was to fight a court case not build a stadium! Are you deliberately misrepresenting facts or just so devoted to Wael you just make them up to conflate two utterly separate things? Geoff Dunford thought UWE was a good deal for the club. Higgs thought the same. Steve Hamer the same. It wasn’t though a good deal for the ALQ family because it didn’t give them personally the return on investment they wanted to put their capital at risk. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have been a good enough deal for the FC. The FC is a separate entity to the ALQ family and the return on investment requirements will not necessarily be the same. That makes no sense and you know it. If it's not giving a return to the owners, you do know it's not given a return to the club?? If the club becomes more substainable, then the value goes up. The loan was taken to give the owners more time, which gave the club more time. It was a risk to the club and owners though! Waels that bothered about a personal return, that he wrote off millions of debt! I'm not even a Wael fan, I'm in the middle. I just use facts though and not made up stuff. If someone can come in and build a stadium that is aimed at us, I'm all for it and Wael can move aside. Higgs also said the Sainsburys deal was water tight, they were desperate and would have signed anything. Did Dunford say how a jogging track for students helps to improve the atmosphere as the fans are further from the pitch🤣. Did he say having a lecture hall for the uni was good for the club? I expect he was just talking in general, saying it's good for the club no knowing the details and you took it literally. I'm just going by what was in the public domain and it looked like the majority of the stuff, was aimed at uwe, including naming rights. Where did it say jogging track was around the pitch? I recall there being something outside the stadium in the plans but I may have remembered incorrectly. |
|
|
|
Post by fintanstack on Nov 30, 2022 16:45:50 GMT
It was bad for both parties as he was the owner! It put the club that he owned in debt. He got out, while he could though. If it was such a good deal, finance dumb another source, wouldn't have been a problem. It's not possible to explain, because you don't know either🤣. Give a few examples of something that's good for the club, but not for the owner. That will make the club money and not the owner. How could uwe have been a good deal for us, but not for the owner?? You can't even think of one. That's why your just say, you wouldn't understand. You just think, if you keep saying it, it might become true🤣 The loan was to fight a court case not build a stadium! Are you deliberately misrepresenting facts or just so devoted to Wael you just make them up to conflate two utterly separate things? Geoff Dunford thought UWE was a good deal for the club. Higgs thought the same. Steve Hamer the same. It wasn’t though a good deal for the ALQ family because it didn’t give them personally the return on investment they wanted to put their capital at risk. That doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have been a good enough deal for the FC. The FC is a separate entity to the ALQ family and the return on investment requirements will not necessarily be the same. So close! I was with you right up until you said Steve Hamer thought it was a good idea. Now I am convinced it was a bad idea. |
|
|
|
Post by daniel300380 on Nov 30, 2022 16:54:40 GMT
That makes no sense and you know it. If it's not giving a return to the owners, you do know it's not given a return to the club?? If the club becomes more substainable, then the value goes up. The loan was taken to give the owners more time, which gave the club more time. It was a risk to the club and owners though! Waels that bothered about a personal return, that he wrote off millions of debt! I'm not even a Wael fan, I'm in the middle. I just use facts though and not made up stuff. If someone can come in and build a stadium that is aimed at us, I'm all for it and Wael can move aside. Higgs also said the Sainsburys deal was water tight, they were desperate and would have signed anything. Did Dunford say how a jogging track for students helps to improve the atmosphere as the fans are further from the pitch🤣. Did he say having a lecture hall for the uni was good for the club? I expect he was just talking in general, saying it's good for the club no knowing the details and you took it literally. I'm just going by what was in the public domain and it looked like the majority of the stuff, was aimed at uwe, including naming rights. Where did it say jogging track was around the pitch? I recall there being something outside the stadium in the plans but I may have remembered incorrectly. They spoke about it being around the pitch, they said it wouldn't be as wide as an athletic track, but it would still have had a negative impact on the atmosphere. |
|
|
|
Post by Quarters on Nov 30, 2022 16:59:49 GMT
Where did it say jogging track was around the pitch? I recall there being something outside the stadium in the plans but I may have remembered incorrectly. They spoke about it being around the pitch, they said it wouldn't be as wide as an athletic track, but it would still have had a negative impact on the atmosphere. They being? |
|
