|
|
Post by fintanstack on Nov 29, 2022 5:43:37 GMT
4 or 5 new Posters in the last 24 hours, anyone else find this a bit odd? No, not in the slightest. League 1 side loses yet again to a non-league side in a ground reminiscent of a dodgy village fete. The embarrassment compounded with being first match on MOTD. So, not odd that other rivals may wish to rub it in. Neither is it odd that disgruntled and embarrassed fans find a voice and wish to vent their frustration. Nor is it odd that fans start noticing the scales falling away and question other issues below the surface like the worst ground in the league, no discernible progress on a new ground with a veil of secrecy that only seems to apply to Rovers developments, complete lack of planning on match days to ensure people can buy a drink and a bit of grub if they wish, reducing the capacity when they could sell all the tickets this year, etc., etc., etc. What is odd is blindly accepting and defending all of this season after season, year after year. But hey everybody can have an opinion. Welcome back. Will you be posting on football matters this time? |
|
|
|
Post by Captain Jayho on Nov 29, 2022 7:02:16 GMT
How do you know all this was the case? If it was why did it take Wael so long to walk away from a deal which was so bad for the club? Who knows, perhaps it was the other way around and Wael wanted more out of the deal than the UWE were prepared to give, as it's odd the land is still not developed and so not generating a penny for the UWE. It was in the plans and the uni said they would get to use the car park on non match days. They spoke about how they needed the parking. They said they had naming rights. The jogging track, lecture hall, uni bar, uni gym etc were all in the plans. Was all that for us or is uwe?? Maybe Wael thought they would compromise on the plans. Think many have selective memory, or didn't bother looking at the plans, as they were desperate for a stadium. But weren't we going to have the longest bar in the world or something like that? Surely a win for students and football fans alike. Oh, what could have been... |
|
|
|
Post by warwickgas on Nov 29, 2022 7:58:47 GMT
Iirc it was disclosed very late on that the majority of our matchday income went to the UWE and that was the deal breaker for the Al Qadi family. If true, then the Uni greed and refusal to renegoiate would have caused the collapse of the deal and we would have had financial problems before long
|
|
|
|
Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 29, 2022 10:15:55 GMT
How do you know it was a feasible opportunity? Issues with the unrealistic UWE demands on the non matchday revenue streams as far as I recall. Not sure a future as a tier 2-3 club could have been guaranteed if we were getting too small a share of total revenues. Everyone knows a football club wants lecture halls, a jogging track, uni bar, uni gym and to give away naming rights🤣. The uni were not interested in any of that stuff. The plans were basically a uni building with a football pitch in the middle. Those that don't like Wael make out it was a great deal for the club, they say where is your proof that it wasn't a good deal etc. Anyone that could read the plans and listened to the interviews could see that uwe were getting the better end of the deal. If it was good for the club, the club would have been worth more, if they sold it anyway. Don't get their logic, that it was great for the club, but not for the owners. I don’t think i have seen anyone say it could have been a good deal for the club but no one ever gave any detail on why it was not plus we had Cunnah depart. We will never know, that’s the long and the short of it. |
|
|
|
Post by Gasshole on Nov 29, 2022 15:57:20 GMT
Guys just be like me . Enjoy the football and you might see a new rovers stadium or you may die first.
🤪
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 18:45:55 GMT
Everyone knows a football club wants lecture halls, a jogging track, uni bar, uni gym and to give away naming rights🤣. The uni were not interested in any of that stuff. The plans were basically a uni building with a football pitch in the middle. Those that don't like Wael make out it was a great deal for the club, they say where is your proof that it wasn't a good deal etc. Anyone that could read the plans and listened to the interviews could see that uwe were getting the better end of the deal. If it was good for the club, the club would have been worth more, if they sold it anyway. Don't get their logic, that it was great for the club, but not for the owners. I don’t think i have seen anyone say it could have been a good deal for the club but no one ever gave any detail on why it was not plus we had Cunnah depart. We will never know, that’s the long and the short of it. I wonder if Wael would have gone with the scheme if the choice had been his. |
|
|
|
Post by fintanstack on Nov 29, 2022 18:49:51 GMT
I don’t think i have seen anyone say it could have been a good deal for the club but no one ever gave any detail on why it was not plus we had Cunnah depart. We will never know, that’s the long and the short of it. I wonder if Wael would have gone with the scheme if the choice had been his. No. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 18:51:41 GMT
I wonder if Wael would have gone with the scheme if the choice had been his. No. Thanks for the reply Wael.  |
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Nov 29, 2022 19:39:01 GMT
Everyone knows a football club wants lecture halls, a jogging track, uni bar, uni gym and to give away naming rights🤣. The uni were not interested in any of that stuff. The plans were basically a uni building with a football pitch in the middle. Those that don't like Wael make out it was a great deal for the club, they say where is your proof that it wasn't a good deal etc. Anyone that could read the plans and listened to the interviews could see that uwe were getting the better end of the deal. If it was good for the club, the club would have been worth more, if they sold it anyway. Don't get their logic, that it was great for the club, but not for the owners. I don’t think i have seen anyone say it could have been a good deal for the club but no one ever gave any detail on why it was not plus we had Cunnah depart. We will never know, that’s the long and the short of it. It is always the same though at Rovers, redeveloping the Mem is apparently not viable but nobody has ever explained why, it apparently took Wael 18 months plus two sets of talks to realise the UWE were going to rip us off, is anything really going to be any different at the FM, assuming that's not already dead, as I can't see Congyer Inv just build a stadium without making a decent return out of it |
|
|
|
Post by bluebiro on Nov 30, 2022 8:38:59 GMT
The day will come sooner then later when the decision is taken out of the clubs hands and the fa condemn the ground as not fit for purpose. Rust is the only thing holding some of the metalwork together as it is.
|
|
|
|
Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 30, 2022 9:02:16 GMT
How do you know it was a feasible opportunity? Issues with the unrealistic UWE demands on the non matchday revenue streams as far as I recall. Not sure a future as a tier 2-3 club could have been guaranteed if we were getting too small a share of total revenues. Everyone knows a football club wants lecture halls, a jogging track, uni bar, uni gym and to give away naming rights🤣. The uni were not interested in any of that stuff. The plans were basically a uni building with a football pitch in the middle. Those that don't like Wael make out it was a great deal for the club, they say where is your proof that it wasn't a good deal etc. Anyone that could read the plans and listened to the interviews could see that uwe were getting the better end of the deal. If it was good for the club, the club would have been worth more, if they sold it anyway. Don't get their logic, that it was great for the club, but not for the owners. No you never have got that logic and you never will. Football is littered with examples of something being good for the owners but not the clubs they own. Your post above is full of made up nonsense to support the ALQs pulling out. None of it is fact. Anyone who could read the plans or listen to the interviews could come to the exact opposite conclusion than you have. Geoff Dunford did and I’d trust his opinion over yours every day of the week! |
|
|
|
Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 30, 2022 9:22:39 GMT
The day will come sooner then later when the decision is taken out of the clubs hands and the fa condemn the ground as not fit for purpose. Rust is the only thing holding some of the metalwork together as it is. People say stuff like this but my mind is instantly drawn to Yorks old ground (Bootham Crescent?). If they were able to get away with that then there will be a while before the Mem is written off. Literally thought I’d get tetanus if I touched anything in that ground. |
|
|
|
Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 30, 2022 10:26:36 GMT
Rust is not the only thing holding any metalwork together, fact, it's a ground which is unlikely to attract many new supporters with facilities akin to the 1970s. Most clubs have moved on withe developing their grounds, unfortunately, most of the recent custodians of BRFC have not either had the commercial acumen or the money to build a new stadium, Waq has said in this current financial market he will not be building a new stadium, so why people still cling on to Waq building a stadium any time soon in St Phillips is really strange. Personally, I am waiting for Waq to make a fresh statement on the matter, although, while I really hope I am proved wrong, I cannot see BRFC having a new stadium under Waq within the next decade.
|
|
|
|
Post by bluebiro on Nov 30, 2022 10:57:33 GMT
The day will come sooner then later when the decision is taken out of the clubs hands and the fa condemn the ground as not fit for purpose. Rust is the only thing holding some of the metalwork together as it is. People say stuff like this but my mind is instantly drawn to Yorks old ground (Bootham Crescent?). If they were able to get away with that then there will be a while before the Mem is written off. Literally thought I’d get tetanus if I touched anything in that ground. they got away with it then because of regulations and are no longer there. Look at one of Birmingham stands which have been put at risk. Yet can you see that being genuinely worse then one of ours?we are getting away with it because of the league we are in for now. |
|
|
|
Post by eric on Nov 30, 2022 11:00:40 GMT
Rust is not the only thing holding any metalwork together, fact, it's a ground which is unlikely to attract many new supporters with facilities akin to the 1970s. Most clubs have moved on withe developing their grounds, unfortunately, most of the recent custodians of BRFC have not either had the commercial acumen or the money to build a new stadium, Waq has said in this current financial market he will not be building a new stadium, so why people still cling on to Waq building a stadium any time soon in St Phillips is really strange. Personally, I am waiting for Waq to make a fresh statement on the matter, although, while I really hope I am proved wrong, I cannot see BRFC having a new stadium under Waq within the next decade. Has Wael said he won’t be building a stadium? I’ve not heard that so could you point me in the right direction? |
|
|
|
Post by daniel300380 on Nov 30, 2022 11:07:32 GMT
Everyone knows a football club wants lecture halls, a jogging track, uni bar, uni gym and to give away naming rights🤣. The uni were not interested in any of that stuff. The plans were basically a uni building with a football pitch in the middle. Those that don't like Wael make out it was a great deal for the club, they say where is your proof that it wasn't a good deal etc. Anyone that could read the plans and listened to the interviews could see that uwe were getting the better end of the deal. If it was good for the club, the club would have been worth more, if they sold it anyway. Don't get their logic, that it was great for the club, but not for the owners. No you never have got that logic and you never will. Football is littered with examples of something being good for the owners but not the clubs they own. Your post above is full of made up nonsense to support the ALQs pulling out. None of it is fact. Anyone who could read the plans or listen to the interviews could come to the exact opposite conclusion than you have. Geoff Dunford did and I’d trust his opinion over yours every day of the week! You can't be serious?? How can I make it up, when it was all in the plans. So you can't say the opposite. How could someone say it didn't have a lecture hall, jogging track, uni gym etc for the students??? You struggle with a lot, by the looks of it and can never answer a question, when asked. You can never say, why it's good for the club and not for the owner, as it's not possible🤣. |
|
|
|
Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 30, 2022 11:10:02 GMT
People say stuff like this but my mind is instantly drawn to Yorks old ground (Bootham Crescent?). If they were able to get away with that then there will be a while before the Mem is written off. Literally thought I’d get tetanus if I touched anything in that ground. they got away with it then because of regulations and are no longer there. Look at one of Birmingham stands which have been put at risk. Yet can you see that being genuinely worse than one of ours?we are getting away with it because of the league we are in for now. That’s because the foundations were insufficient. Bit different a bit of rust and looking sh** to at potential risk of collapse. |
|
|
|
Post by daniel300380 on Nov 30, 2022 11:10:21 GMT
No you never have got that logic and you never will. Football is littered with examples of something being good for the owners but not the clubs they own. Your post above is full of made up nonsense to support the ALQs pulling out. None of it is fact. Anyone who could read the plans or listen to the interviews could come to the exact opposite conclusion than you have. Geoff Dunford did and I’d trust his opinion over yours every day of the week! You can't be serious?? How can I make it up, when it was all in the plans. So you can't say the opposite. How could someone say it didn't have a lecture hall, jogging track, uni gym etc for the students??? You struggle with a lot, by the looks of it and can never answer a question, when asked. You can never say, why it's good for the club and not for the owner, as it's not possible🤣. If you are going to say something, at least give some examples to back it up, or try and explain it. At least I am saying why I think something and I'm including facts, not fiction. |
|
|
|
Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 30, 2022 11:40:10 GMT
The old Dinosaur stadiums like Belle View(Doncaster) Millmoor (Rotherham) Saltergate (Chesterfield) Bootham Cres (York) Boothferry Park(Hull) Leeds Road (Huddersfield) Wimbledon, Shrewsbury,etc are all gone.Worst ever was Northampton's three sided ground they shared with the County cricket club.A Scaffolding stand and dreadful floodlights but that too has been replaced.Lincoln too had a scaffolding stand at one point.
Very very frustrating when I see even non league clubs improving their grounds even little Beer Albion FC down here who have club linesmen have really done a great job at their cliff top ground with massive improvements.Richard Walker heavily involved there.
We can't do anything though just sigh.Paid into some scheme for years which may have helped with the roof but after Eastville and Twerton we should be sorted by now but suspect at 77 ,I will never see anything.Even if something was announced today,it would take many years to come to fruition but taking a disabled guy to the Mem isn't the best experience even compared to Telford,Chester,Macclesfield (now) which I used to think WAS as bad as ours or Oswestry where modern and aesthetically pleasing infrastructure make the disabled person's lot much more enjoyable and pleasant.
|
|
|
|
Post by bluebiro on Nov 30, 2022 11:52:09 GMT
The old Dinosaur stadiums like Belle View(Doncaster) Millmoor (Rotherham) Saltergate (Chesterfield) Bootham Cres (York) Boothferry Park(Hull) Leeds Road (Huddersfield) Wimbledon, Shrewsbury,etc are all gone.Worst ever was Northampton's three sided ground they shared with the County cricket club.A Scaffolding stand and dreadful floodlights but that too has been replaced.Lincoln too had a scaffolding stand at one point. Very very frustrating when I see even non league clubs improving the grounds even little Beer Albion down here who have club linesmen have really done a great job at their cliff top ground with massive improvements.Richard Walker heavily involved there. We can't do anything though just sigh.Paid into some scheme for years which may have helped with the roof but after Eastville and Twerton we should be sorted by now but suspect at 77 ,I will never see anything.Even if something was announced today,it would take many years to come to fruition but taking a disabled guy to the Mem isn't the best experience even compared to Telford,Chester,Macclesfield now or Oswestry. sadly Colyton many of us will never see an improvement. Talking of Northamptons old three sided ground i believe that will be us in a few years time even a two sided ground with a open North terrace again. As I said earlier h and s will take many things out of our hands and as you alluded the provision of facilities for any disability. Lack of hygiene availability will also be a major issue for this club. |
|
