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Post by Feeling The Blues on Dec 1, 2022 14:16:37 GMT
Wasn't right for the OWNERS of the club. If we had a different owner, I don't know, maybe say an ex Rovers fan like Steve Lansdown, who let's suppose might have had loads more capital he was prepared to sink into it, it would have been a great deal for the FOOTBALL CLUB. It all comes down to financial wherewithal, some people can invest greater sums of capital than others into great things and others can't afford to invest in great things at all! For example, investing in property can be a great thing whether for personal enjoyment or to make money. In that regard we could have had an owner that could have bought a fantastic new home with big spaces and lots of swanky things in it or we could have one that can only afford a two up two down with a bog in the back yard. Our football club is limited by what is good or right for the owner, not what is good or right for the football club. Wael has proved to me at least, that his interests are with the Club, otherwise he'd have sold the Mem to a Builder and walked away leaving us without a Club by now. One extreme to the other! Of course you can still be a decent owner with interests of the club at heart whilst accepting you just don't have the financial wherewithal to take the club to the level it could be at. He has enough for us to survive as a lower league club in a dilapidated stadium from a bygone age and that seems plenty good enough for most fans, so he's all good. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 1, 2022 14:17:37 GMT
Indeed. How long would you say is a reasonable amount of time, without any news ? We desperately somehow need to attract the new generations of gas. Us silvers won’t last that much longer. Still, i am still amazed at how many travel such long distances and for a home game. We do have some incredible supporters. We do indeed, and when I'm at the Mem there doesn't seem to be a shortage of young'uns in Rovers kits, with Parents, so I really don't think we need to try that hard to attract or keep the Gas youth of tomorrow. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 1, 2022 14:20:47 GMT
Who said we were going to own everything?? That's not the impression I got listening to the interviews at the time. Why would Uwe gift us the space and pay rent on top of that. That makes no business sense for them and I don't think they would be allowed to do that, even if they wanted to. What was in it for them?? None of us know the truth, because of the clauses. You could well be right. But if it was all that rosey, then finance wouldn't have been a problem and it would have been a great deal for the club and the owners! So I can't think why it wouldn't have went ahead. More likely that you were given false information by someone with an agenda and took it. UWE weren't giving us the space; they were leasing it to us for 125 years. That means they receive a capital payment and then ongoing rent from the leaseholder. In return apart from the financial return they got a car park they could use on non-match days and facilities in the stadium they could use on non-match days. UWE press release here info.uwe.ac.uk/news/uwenews/news.aspx?id=1983 plenty more info here bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/uwe-stadium.htmlThe only person who persists with false information (in sycophantic support of WAQ) on here is you. Once it was clear that the Mem wasn't being sold to Sainsbury's and the money had to come from elsewhere The ALQ family decided that they didn't want to commit their own money to such a big project. That is what happened. That doesn't mean it wouldn't have been good for the football club to go ahead if for instance the ALQ family were prepared to put their own money at risk as share capital, but that would have meant tying their money up and not being able to realise it again until they sold their shares. so not a good deal as far as they were concerned. Would have been fantastic for the football club though if they had! It said peppercorn rent at the time, so basically gifting it. I know they were getting all that other stuff, that's what I said. There lecture hall was 4x the size of the clubs shop and 3x the size of the club bar. Gym was bigger than both as well. I can't see them wanting to pay to use all that, after letting us have the land on the cheap. We've all wasted enough of it time discussing it now😂. I can only go from what I've seen and heard. On paper, it looked like Uwe were getting a better deal than us. Unless they were paying us loads to use the facilities. But giving up naming rights and the majority of the stadium, does not look like a great deal for the club on paper. So unless, someone has a copy of how much Uwe were going to pay us to give up all of that, I can only base my opinion on the facts that are in the plans. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 1, 2022 14:23:06 GMT
Wael has proved to me at least, that his interests are with the Club, otherwise he'd have sold the Mem to a Builder and walked away leaving us without a Club by now. One extreme to the other! Of course you can still be a decent owner with interests of the club at heart whilst accepting you just don't have the financial wherewithal to take the club to the level it could be at. He has enough for us to survive as a lower league club in a dilapidated stadium from a bygone age and that seems plenty good enough for most fans, so he's all good. Not sure Lg1 is lower league, and I don't know his financial status, do you? Keeping us alive, with great signings, great Manager, good budget, the Squad is putting some performances together to at least keep us in a new higher division at the first time of asking, obviously not enough for you. |
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Dec 1, 2022 14:35:32 GMT
One extreme to the other! Of course you can still be a decent owner with interests of the club at heart whilst accepting you just don't have the financial wherewithal to take the club to the level it could be at. He has enough for us to survive as a lower league club in a dilapidated stadium from a bygone age and that seems plenty good enough for most fans, so he's all good. Not sure Lg1 is lower league, and I don't know his financial status, do you? Keeping us alive, with great signings, great Manager, good budget, the Squad is putting some performances together to at least keep us in a new higher division at the first time of asking, obviously not enough for you. I'm enjoying watching the team this last 12 months yes but as a club we are at the limit of its potential under the current ownership unless investment in the current stadium or a new one is forthcoming. Whether that's not good enough for me but it is for you is not the point. The point is unlike a lot of football clubs who play at our level we have the potential to be much bigger and better (although they ALL have better stadiums than us!), just like our erstwhile rivals of days gone by like Swansea, Cardiff, Reading, Brentford, Fulham, Brighton, Preston etc. I am convinced though that we have a lot of fans who are happy just the way it is. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 1, 2022 14:37:41 GMT
Not sure Lg1 is lower league, and I don't know his financial status, do you? Keeping us alive, with great signings, great Manager, good budget, the Squad is putting some performances together to at least keep us in a new higher division at the first time of asking, obviously not enough for you. I'm enjoying watching the team this last 12 months yes but as a club we are at the limit of its potential under the current ownership unless investment in the current stadium or a new one is forthcoming. Whether that's not good enough for me but it is for you is not the point. The point is unlike a lot of football clubs who play at our level we have the potential to be much bigger and better (although they ALL have better stadiums than us!), just like our erstwhile rivals of days gone by like Swansea, Cardiff, Reading, Brentford, Fulham, Brighton, Preston etc. I am convinced though that we have a lot of fans who are happy just the way it is. So apart from Wael announcing he's just written a cheque for £30 million to buy us a new Stadium you're ok? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 1, 2022 14:50:23 GMT
Who said we were going to own everything?? That's not the impression I got listening to the interviews at the time. Why would Uwe gift us the space and pay rent on top of that. That makes no business sense for them and I don't think they would be allowed to do that, even if they wanted to. What was in it for them?? None of us know the truth, because of the clauses. You could well be right. But if it was all that rosey, then finance wouldn't have been a problem and it would have been a great deal for the club and the owners! So I can't think why it wouldn't have went ahead. More likely that you were given false information by someone with an agenda and took it. UWE weren't giving us the space; they were leasing it to us for 125 years. That means they receive a capital payment and then ongoing rent from the leaseholder. In return apart from the financial return they got a car park they could use on non-match days and facilities in the stadium they could use on non-match days. UWE press release here info.uwe.ac.uk/news/uwenews/news.aspx?id=1983 plenty more info here bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/uwe-stadium.htmlThe only person who persists with false information (in sycophantic support of WAQ) on here is you. Once it was clear that the Mem wasn't being sold to Sainsbury's and the money had to come from elsewhere The ALQ family decided that they didn't want to commit their own money to such a big project. That is what happened. That doesn't mean it wouldn't have been good for the football club to go ahead if for instance the ALQ family were prepared to put their own money at risk as share capital, but that would have meant tying their money up and not being able to realise it again until they sold their shares. so not a good deal as far as they were concerned. Would have been fantastic for the football club though if they had! Sainsburys wanting to withdrawal and the court case predated Dwane Sports' involvement, in fact they decided early on to not appeal further and write off the loan taken out to fund the legal issues. |
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Dec 1, 2022 14:54:40 GMT
I'm enjoying watching the team this last 12 months yes but as a club we are at the limit of its potential under the current ownership unless investment in the current stadium or a new one is forthcoming. Whether that's not good enough for me but it is for you is not the point. The point is unlike a lot of football clubs who play at our level we have the potential to be much bigger and better (although they ALL have better stadiums than us!), just like our erstwhile rivals of days gone by like Swansea, Cardiff, Reading, Brentford, Fulham, Brighton, Preston etc. I am convinced though that we have a lot of fans who are happy just the way it is. So apart from Wael announcing he's just written a cheque for £30 million to buy us a new Stadium you're ok? Our stadium is the laughing stock of the football league, it doesn't need £30m to make it better. You talk about £30m on a stadium in one post and selling the land for housing and ruining the club in another! Just like all things it's not just black or white! Not spending £30m on a new stadium doesn't make him a bad owner just like not selling the land for housing and making us homeless doesn't make him a good owner!! I would rather we had an owner who communicated his plans or non plans for this with the very patient support base, even if it's to say he doesn't have the financial wherewithal or appetite to build or improve the stadium. Mind you, according to his super fan on here, the fact he is saying nothing means he is doing something. So, he doesn't actually have to do or say anything to keep people like him and maybe you happy. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 1, 2022 14:57:55 GMT
UWE weren't giving us the space; they were leasing it to us for 125 years. That means they receive a capital payment and then ongoing rent from the leaseholder. In return apart from the financial return they got a car park they could use on non-match days and facilities in the stadium they could use on non-match days. UWE press release here info.uwe.ac.uk/news/uwenews/news.aspx?id=1983 plenty more info here bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/uwe-stadium.htmlThe only person who persists with false information (in sycophantic support of WAQ) on here is you. Once it was clear that the Mem wasn't being sold to Sainsbury's and the money had to come from elsewhere The ALQ family decided that they didn't want to commit their own money to such a big project. That is what happened. That doesn't mean it wouldn't have been good for the football club to go ahead if for instance the ALQ family were prepared to put their own money at risk as share capital, but that would have meant tying their money up and not being able to realise it again until they sold their shares. so not a good deal as far as they were concerned. Would have been fantastic for the football club though if they had! Sainsburys wanting to withdrawal and the court case predated Dwane Sports' involvement, in fact they decided early on to not appeal further and write off the loan taken out to fund the legal issues. True, the informed Higgs they wanted out and were not prepared to go any further but it’s been done to death so i wonder why it’s rearing it’s ugly head, again but you are right and we never had a legal leg to stand on. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 1, 2022 14:59:26 GMT
So apart from Wael announcing he's just written a cheque for £30 million to buy us a new Stadium you're ok? Our stadium is the laughing stock of the football league, it doesn't need £30m to make it better. You talk about £30m on a stadium in one post and selling the land for housing and ruining the club in another! Just like all things it's not just black or white! Not spending £30m on a new stadium doesn't make him a bad owner just like not selling the land for housing and making us homeless doesn't make him a good owner!! I would rather we had an owner who communicated his plans or non plans for this with the very patient support base, even if it's to say he doesn't have the financial wherewithal or appetite to build or improve the stadium. Mind you, according to his super fan on here, the fact he is saying nothing means he is doing something. So, he doesn't actually have to do or say anything to keep people like him and maybe you happy. Funny old game eh |
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Post by baggins on Dec 1, 2022 15:05:49 GMT
So apart from Wael announcing he's just written a cheque for £30 million to buy us a new Stadium you're ok? Our stadium is the laughing stock of the football league, it doesn't need £30m to make it better. You talk about £30m on a stadium in one post and selling the land for housing and ruining the club in another! Just like all things it's not just black or white! Not spending £30m on a new stadium doesn't make him a bad owner just like not selling the land for housing and making us homeless doesn't make him a good owner!! I would rather we had an owner who communicated his plans or non plans for this with the very patient support base, even if it's to say he doesn't have the financial wherewithal or appetite to build or improve the stadium. Mind you, according to his super fan on here, the fact he is saying nothing means he is doing something. So, he doesn't actually have to do or say anything to keep people like him and maybe you happy. I'm not really sure what you're point is. I mentioned £30mil to build us a new Stadium, I mentioned if he didn't have the Club at heart he'd have sold the Mem and walked away. You're mixing posts up. And I'm not sure what you want to keep us to date with, a weekly tweet saying no news? If you're really not happy, suggest you do something else. |
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Dec 1, 2022 15:20:58 GMT
Our stadium is the laughing stock of the football league, it doesn't need £30m to make it better. You talk about £30m on a stadium in one post and selling the land for housing and ruining the club in another! Just like all things it's not just black or white! Not spending £30m on a new stadium doesn't make him a bad owner just like not selling the land for housing and making us homeless doesn't make him a good owner!! I would rather we had an owner who communicated his plans or non plans for this with the very patient support base, even if it's to say he doesn't have the financial wherewithal or appetite to build or improve the stadium. Mind you, according to his super fan on here, the fact he is saying nothing means he is doing something. So, he doesn't actually have to do or say anything to keep people like him and maybe you happy. I'm not really sure what you're point is. I mentioned £30mil to build us a new Stadium, I mentioned if he didn't have the Club at heart he'd have sold the Mem and walked away. You're mixing posts up. And I'm not sure what you want to keep us to date with, a weekly tweet saying no news? If you're really not happy, suggest you do something else. Extremes again. Seems you only do black or white even on the simple stuff so no point debating it with you further. It's like debating religion or politics with fanatics, an utter waste of time. Joey Barton's (for now) Blue & White Army. Clap, clap,clap. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 1, 2022 15:50:03 GMT
I'm not really sure what you're point is. I mentioned £30mil to build us a new Stadium, I mentioned if he didn't have the Club at heart he'd have sold the Mem and walked away. You're mixing posts up. And I'm not sure what you want to keep us to date with, a weekly tweet saying no news? If you're really not happy, suggest you do something else. Extremes again. Seems you only do black or white even on the simple stuff so no point debating it with you further. It's like debating religion or politics with fanatics, an utter waste of time. Joey Barton's (for now) Blue & White Army. Clap, clap,clap. Like debating religion or politics with fanatics?. You can't even argue you're own point. Yea, clapping you as go. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 1, 2022 17:38:46 GMT
I'm out of posting for a while, apologise to everyone, today was not good.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 1, 2022 17:41:25 GMT
Sainsburys wanting to withdrawal and the court case predated Dwane Sports' involvement, in fact they decided early on to not appeal further and write off the loan taken out to fund the legal issues. True, the informed Higgs they wanted out and were not prepared to go any further but it’s been done to death so i wonder why it’s rearing it’s ugly head, again but you are right and we never had a legal leg to stand on. That's not the true time line as I'm pretty sure we were awaiting the outcome of the appeal when Wael took over the club, as Walotoa was rolled out to make the club statement regarding the verdict before departing shortly afterwards. Although that's not really relevant as Wael/Hani had two different sets of talks with the UWE before walking away from the deal, with the UWE claiming at the time they were just about to draw up an Heads of Terms agreement. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 1, 2022 17:44:29 GMT
Our stadium is the laughing stock of the football league, it doesn't need £30m to make it better. You talk about £30m on a stadium in one post and selling the land for housing and ruining the club in another! Just like all things it's not just black or white! Not spending £30m on a new stadium doesn't make him a bad owner just like not selling the land for housing and making us homeless doesn't make him a good owner!! I would rather we had an owner who communicated his plans or non plans for this with the very patient support base, even if it's to say he doesn't have the financial wherewithal or appetite to build or improve the stadium. Mind you, according to his super fan on here, the fact he is saying nothing means he is doing something. So, he doesn't actually have to do or say anything to keep people like him and maybe you happy. I'm not really sure what you're point is. I mentioned £30mil to build us a new Stadium, I mentioned if he didn't have the Club at heart he'd have sold the Mem and walked away. You're mixing posts up. And I'm not sure what you want to keep us to date with, a weekly tweet saying no news? If you're really not happy, suggest you do something else. Apart from Sam Frost "leaking" bits of info we haven't had an updates from Wael since the 3 August 2019!! |
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 1, 2022 19:30:43 GMT
I'm not really sure what you're point is. I mentioned £30mil to build us a new Stadium, I mentioned if he didn't have the Club at heart he'd have sold the Mem and walked away. You're mixing posts up. And I'm not sure what you want to keep us to date with, a weekly tweet saying no news? If you're really not happy, suggest you do something else. Apart from Sam Frost "leaking" bits of info we haven't had an updates from Wael since the 3 August 2019!! He has wrote open letters to the fans since then, but we have not had one of those with much detail for a while. Personally I don't want an update, until there is something significant to say. |
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Post by womble on Dec 1, 2022 19:35:35 GMT
UWE weren't giving us the space; they were leasing it to us for 125 years. That means they receive a capital payment and then ongoing rent from the leaseholder. In return apart from the financial return they got a car park they could use on non-match days and facilities in the stadium they could use on non-match days. UWE press release here info.uwe.ac.uk/news/uwenews/news.aspx?id=1983 plenty more info here bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com/uwe-stadium.htmlThe only person who persists with false information (in sycophantic support of WAQ) on here is you. Once it was clear that the Mem wasn't being sold to Sainsbury's and the money had to come from elsewhere The ALQ family decided that they didn't want to commit their own money to such a big project. That is what happened. That doesn't mean it wouldn't have been good for the football club to go ahead if for instance the ALQ family were prepared to put their own money at risk as share capital, but that would have meant tying their money up and not being able to realise it again until they sold their shares. so not a good deal as far as they were concerned. Would have been fantastic for the football club though if they had! It said peppercorn rent at the time, so basically gifting it. I know they were getting all that other stuff, that's what I said. There lecture hall was 4x the size of the clubs shop and 3x the size of the club bar. Gym was bigger than both as well. I can't see them wanting to pay to use all that, after letting us have the land on the cheap. We've all wasted enough of it time discussing it now😂. I can only go from what I've seen and heard. On paper, it looked like Uwe were getting a better deal than us. Unless they were paying us loads to use the facilities. But giving up naming rights and the majority of the stadium, does not look like a great deal for the club on paper. So unless, someone has a copy of how much Uwe were going to pay us to give up all of that, I can only base my opinion on the facts that are in the plans. I believe that the lease of the land was being paid for by UWE having the naming rights (UWE Stadium) hence the peppercorn rent. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 1, 2022 20:26:34 GMT
It said peppercorn rent at the time, so basically gifting it. I know they were getting all that other stuff, that's what I said. There lecture hall was 4x the size of the clubs shop and 3x the size of the club bar. Gym was bigger than both as well. I can't see them wanting to pay to use all that, after letting us have the land on the cheap. We've all wasted enough of it time discussing it now😂. I can only go from what I've seen and heard. On paper, it looked like Uwe were getting a better deal than us. Unless they were paying us loads to use the facilities. But giving up naming rights and the majority of the stadium, does not look like a great deal for the club on paper. So unless, someone has a copy of how much Uwe were going to pay us to give up all of that, I can only base my opinion on the facts that are in the plans. I believe that the lease of the land was being paid for by UWE having the naming rights (UWE Stadium) hence the peppercorn rent. Yep, £40m project; £8m iro naming rights, £29m from Sainsburys and £3m from loans. Was the Waitrose offer at £24m just a rumour? Could have got round the NIMBYs. |
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Post by aghast on Dec 1, 2022 21:20:13 GMT
Wael has proved to me at least, that his interests are with the Club, otherwise he'd have sold the Mem to a Builder and walked away leaving us without a Club by now. One extreme to the other! Of course you can still be a decent owner with interests of the club at heart whilst accepting you just don't have the financial wherewithal to take the club to the level it could be at. He has enough for us to survive as a lower league club in a dilapidated stadium from a bygone age and that seems plenty good enough for most fans, so he's all good. That's pretty much how I see the situation too. He has a very easy ride from the fans, so things are unlikely to change soon. Oh well. I'm sure he will continue to do enough to keep us viable and hopefully treading water, and for that I'm grateful. I don't doubt his good faith for a moment. |
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