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Post by baggins on Jan 3, 2023 17:31:31 GMT
I'll stop you at "developers build stadium at fruit market". That's never going to happen. Personally I would prefer to see the Mem redeveloped. 15-20k capacity would be perfect for this club and would be perfect for Championship football. Already been announced that isn't going to happen either. |
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Post by aghast on Jan 3, 2023 17:34:49 GMT
One of the things the planners made clear back in 2007 when planning was granted to redevelop The Mem was that they did not want a piecemeal development and that once development had commenced it could only be fully occupied once the stadium had been fully completed. They had seen what had happened in other cities and didn't want a similar carbuncle in Bristol. Remember The Vetch? That stance may have changed now. In the know, or just the usual 'no point spending money when we're about to announce a new stadium'? Maybe we should do a poll. How happy would you be to sit back and say nothing, on the assumption that a new stadium is on the way? (Obviously it's been three years since his last announcement.) One more year? Two more years? Five more years? Unlimited timescale? |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 3, 2023 17:48:47 GMT
Joe constantly talks about getting Rovers to the championship. Which suggests he will be backed (within reason) to get a squad to achieve that. He also talks about wanting to manage prem and beyond. Though doesnt attach that to Rovers. So no stadium means joe getting to the championship then moving on pretty quickly. Stadium means Joe likely to stay at least a few seasons at Rovers in the champ. So is Joe in a hurry for success at Rovers so he can move on quicker or because he knows a stadium is on its way ? Any stadium is going to take at least 3 years which is more than a typical managerial tenure. We can get into the Championship as we are but we won't sustain our stay without a new ground of some description. We'll likely be back down within a season or two, probably even if its in build. JB is unlikely to see a new ground as our manager although it isn't a forgone conclusion and as a sign of intent, it's pretty big. I think he is aware of plans and kept abreast of developments so any comments and hints won't be without foundation (see what I did there 👀). Getting us into the play offs this year or next would give him a great boost in his profile, making him a target for several teams. I do have the impression we are more than just a stepping stone to the next job for him, over to you Wael. 🤞 I tend to agree. Imo Joey is a manager who looks for milestones and achievements. His comments about making us the '1st Bristol team to reach the Premier League' wasn't just said on a whim. I think he genuinely believes he can do it. Even if he just gets us to the Play Offs this or next year or a promotion to The Championship would put him up there as one of our greatest managers, if he can go one further and do what Reading, Wigan, Swansea, Hull, Brigton did and get us even higher then he will be the messiah. I may be completely wrong but I think he really gets us and being successful here would mean more to him than going to an established Championship club. He's already a multi millionaire from his playing days mainly spent at the top level of the game, so I don't think money is that much of a factor for him either. I could see him staying here for another 5,6 + years Stadium plans one way or another are imminent I am sure |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 18:20:57 GMT
Personally I would prefer to see the Mem redeveloped. 15-20k capacity would be perfect for this club and would be perfect for Championship football. Already been announced that isn't going to happen either. I know. I don’t think the fruit market will happen either. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2023 18:37:34 GMT
Personally I would prefer to see the Mem redeveloped. 15-20k capacity would be perfect for this club and would be perfect for Championship football. it is bad enough trying to park anywhere remotely near The Mem with gates of up to about 9000. I doubt the FM will be any better, particularly if the plan is to redevelop the whole St Phillips Marsh area. |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Jan 3, 2023 18:40:12 GMT
Personally I would prefer to see the Mem redeveloped. 15-20k capacity would be perfect for this club and would be perfect for Championship football. it is bad enough trying to park anywhere remotely near The Mem with gates of up to about 9000. Can't park remotely near any ground when 9k are there. As it's in the middle of an urban area it has 360 degrees of parking options. Never had to park more than 15 mins walk away. In reality 10 mins as I'm a bit slow on my feet. A lot more options than most grounds I've been to |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2023 18:43:55 GMT
I thought the proposed deal was, developers build stadium at fruit market, Memorial Stadium is transferred into their ownership for them to develop and recover some of their costs and we lease and move into new stadium at the fruit market. The developers gain from additional planning on the St Phillips site in return with agreement from BCC who are keen to have the stadium built there. I'll stop you at "developers build stadium at fruit market". That's never going to happen. How do you know that for certain, somebody clearly had plans for a stadium at the FM as it's on BCC's plan for the site and both Wael and the Mayor have suggested it was a possibility in the past. Whether the plans are now dead is anybody's guess. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 3, 2023 18:59:04 GMT
Personally I would prefer to see the Mem redeveloped. 15-20k capacity would be perfect for this club and would be perfect for Championship football. Already been announced that isn't going to happen either. Yes. It’s been one of the things that Wael’s been clear about, No Mem development. Shame but there it is. UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2023 19:32:26 GMT
Already been announced that isn't going to happen either. Yes. It’s been one of the things that Wael’s been clear about, No Mem development. Shame but there it is. UTG! Perhaps the "Scouse Mafia" will now have different ideas? |
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Post by eric on Jan 3, 2023 20:28:49 GMT
Easy to spend someone else’s money, especially when it’s already costing our owner millions propping up our annual losses. If the east stand revamp isn’t too expensive the fans can pay for it via a bucket collection. It's not about spending someone else's money but investment in the club. Something basic can't cost more than £5M surely (or should I say 1 Collins in new currency 😂). It's about improving our facilities above what is a tip of a stadium. So many times we have had pie in the sky ideas and even seemingly more concrete ones that fail and we are always left in the same position. Wael has been adamant that staying at the Mem is not viable. There’s no way he’s going to spend £5m on something that, if his hopes of a new ground elsewhere come to fruition, will be bulldozed. I’m sure if you won £5m on the lottery this weekend and offered to spend it all on improving the Mem he won’t turn you away 😁 |
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 3, 2023 22:22:42 GMT
I still find it strange that we're still even talking about this when it's been apparent for a couple of years there's no interest from any developers in purchasing the Memorial Stadium site. I thought the proposed deal was, developers build stadium at fruit market, Memorial Stadium is transferred into their ownership for them to develop and recover some of their costs and we lease and move into new stadium at the fruit market. The developers gain from additional planning on the St Phillips site in return with agreement from BCC who are keen to have the stadium built there. I can't imagine any developer would even think about building a stadium on the Fruit Market site until they had planning permission granted on tbe Mem site to ensure they would get any sort of return on their investment. That planning permission is years away judging by the current state of activity in that regard |
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 3, 2023 22:25:47 GMT
Any stadium is going to take at least 3 years which is more than a typical managerial tenure. We can get into the Championship as we are but we won't sustain our stay without a new ground of some description. We'll likely be back down within a season or two, probably even if its in build. JB is unlikely to see a new ground as our manager although it isn't a forgone conclusion and as a sign of intent, it's pretty big. I think he is aware of plans and kept abreast of developments so any comments and hints won't be without foundation (see what I did there 👀). Getting us into the play offs this year or next would give him a great boost in his profile, making him a target for several teams. I do have the impression we are more than just a stepping stone to the next job for him, over to you Wael. 🤞 I tend to agree. Imo Joey is a manager who looks for milestones and achievements. His comments about making us the '1st Bristol team to reach the Premier League' wasn't just said on a whim. I think he genuinely believes he can do it. Even if he just gets us to the Play Offs this or next year or a promotion to The Championship would put him up there as one of our greatest managers, if he can go one further and do what Reading, Wigan, Swansea, Hull, Brigton did and get us even higher then he will be the messiah. I may be completely wrong but I think he really gets us and being successful here would mean more to him than going to an established Championship club. He's already a multi millionaire from his playing days mainly spent at the top level of the game, so I don't think money is that much of a factor for him either. I could see him staying here for another 5,6 + years Stadium plans one way or another are imminent I am sure It wouldn't surprise me at all to see JB putting together a consortium to buy the club. I can't see him being happy until he's cleared everyone out above him at the club.He knows what it takes to make a club successful and I can't see his patience lasting forever |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2023 22:31:34 GMT
I thought the proposed deal was, developers build stadium at fruit market, Memorial Stadium is transferred into their ownership for them to develop and recover some of their costs and we lease and move into new stadium at the fruit market. The developers gain from additional planning on the St Phillips site in return with agreement from BCC who are keen to have the stadium built there. I can't imagine any developer would even think about building a stadium on the Fruit Market site until they had planning permission granted on tbe Mem site to ensure they would get any sort of return on their investment. That planning permission is years away judging by the current state of activity in that regard What "current state of activity"? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2023 22:37:30 GMT
I tend to agree. Imo Joey is a manager who looks for milestones and achievements. His comments about making us the '1st Bristol team to reach the Premier League' wasn't just said on a whim. I think he genuinely believes he can do it. Even if he just gets us to the Play Offs this or next year or a promotion to The Championship would put him up there as one of our greatest managers, if he can go one further and do what Reading, Wigan, Swansea, Hull, Brigton did and get us even higher then he will be the messiah. I may be completely wrong but I think he really gets us and being successful here would mean more to him than going to an established Championship club. He's already a multi millionaire from his playing days mainly spent at the top level of the game, so I don't think money is that much of a factor for him either. I could see him staying here for another 5,6 + years Stadium plans one way or another are imminent I am sure It wouldn't surprise me at all to see JB putting together a consortium to buy the club. I can't see him being happy until he's cleared everyone out above him at the club.He knows what it takes to make a club successful and I can't see his patience lasting forever You do wonder if Wael's losing interest in Rovers, as it must be months since he last saw them play. I'm surprised he doesn't seem to have returned to England for any of the festive season games. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 3, 2023 23:44:50 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me at all to see JB putting together a consortium to buy the club. I can't see him being happy until he's cleared everyone out above him at the club.He knows what it takes to make a club successful and I can't see his patience lasting forever You do wonder if Wael's losing interest in Rovers, as it must be months since he last saw them play. I'm surprised he doesn't seem to have returned to England for any of the festive season games. He spent the majority of December at the World Cup. He was wearing rovers gear for many of the times he was photographed. Hard to see wavering commitment off the back of that. Besides, I thought I could see him in box 10 for the Exeter game. Tricky to tell from a distance though. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 4, 2023 5:59:06 GMT
I'll stop you at "developers build stadium at fruit market". That's never going to happen. How do you know that for certain, somebody clearly had plans for a stadium at the FM as it's on BCC's plan for the site and both Wael and the Mayor have suggested it was a possibility in the past. Whether the plans are now dead is anybody's guess. I don't, no-one does, but it's dragged on far too long for me to think it might go ahead. Wasn't keen on it anyway. |
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 4, 2023 9:05:20 GMT
It's not about spending someone else's money but investment in the club. Something basic can't cost more than £5M surely (or should I say 1 Collins in new currency 😂). It's about improving our facilities above what is a tip of a stadium. So many times we have had pie in the sky ideas and even seemingly more concrete ones that fail and we are always left in the same position. Wael has been adamant that staying at the Mem is not viable. There’s no way he’s going to spend £5m on something that, if his hopes of a new ground elsewhere come to fruition, will be bulldozed. I’m sure if you won £5m on the lottery this weekend and offered to spend it all on improving the Mem he won’t turn you away 😁 If I won the lottery I would. My frustration is we have had so many plans for stadiums that have fell through. Whilst these are on the horizon then nothing gets done to the mem. It's anyone's guess how far away from a new stadium we are. If we do have ambitions of being in the championship then it's clear the current stadium isn't suitable. Building a new stand would be something that could done relatively quickly. I completely take the point that it would be a waste of money if we were going to move to a new stadium in a few years time though. |
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 4, 2023 9:07:04 GMT
it is bad enough trying to park anywhere remotely near The Mem with gates of up to about 9000. Can't park remotely near any ground when 9k are there. As it's in the middle of an urban area it has 360 degrees of parking options. Never had to park more than 15 mins walk away. In reality 10 mins as I'm a bit slow on my feet. A lot more options than most grounds I've been to Ashley Down station will be re-opening sometime soon...Probably just before the new stadium in 2186. |
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Post by Goose on Jan 4, 2023 9:09:32 GMT
Will the flurry of posts recently, gives me false hope something is happening lol
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Post by percy on Jan 4, 2023 9:11:11 GMT
If the mem wont be upgraded (knocking down stands etc) and we wont be anywhere else for at least 5 years, then at the very least money needs to be spent to make it habitable.
Going back to someones house analogy - if you werent moving house for 5 years you wouldnt put up with the toilets being a health hazard for that time
Saw a FB post looking for retired handymen at the mem, so maybe this is the plan!
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