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Post by baggins on Jan 16, 2023 12:06:34 GMT
As a side issue does anyone know if bidefordgas is ok please He posted 8.20 yesterday morning if that helps?
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Post by pirate on Jan 16, 2023 12:07:54 GMT
Not all talk with these chaps. Actually delivering what they promised. 'On Tuesday, Wrexham hosted Notts County - the league leaders - and they snatched all three points with a 2-1 win to close the gap. Wrexham remain three points behind but have two games in hand on the Magpies at the top of the National League.' 'The crucial victory was still watched by an attendance of 9,807, which was technically a sell-out considering the alterations taking place around the Racecourse. The ground’s traditional capacity is around 10,000 but the new stand will see that boosted to 15,500 on matchdays.' The program has made over £4 million. I wonder how much the owners and club will get and how much Disney keep. With their following and money, they were always going to get things done if they wanted too. They will make a lot of the money back, with their following. There was talk of gofundme and other revenue streams setup to help finance things at our club, but Wael apparently insisted that wasn't necessary and finance wasn't an issue. After three years of near silence on the stadium issue it would be nice to hear what the plans are going forward for something perfectly summed up previously by Wael himself: "This football club requires and needs a new stadium" and "If we want to succeed, a new stadium has to happen. A new stadium has to be built."
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 16, 2023 12:16:53 GMT
Where are we going wrong regards a new stadium or a Mem refurb......every other club except us in some respect either improve current set ups to build new Stadia. I started watching the Gas in 1979 and in those 43 years not one brick has been laid. We keep changing our minds and lack of cash so reliant on third parties. First it was one new North stand, then a whole revamp with Opel student lets before UWE which dragged on for years and now the Fruit Market (add in the pandemic which caused additional delays).
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 16, 2023 12:28:07 GMT
View AttachmentRecall the tent in the corner next to the South Tent being paraded with the Sponsors stood proudly in front of it.Made I cringe that did.I mean ,just look at it. We don't do things by half here. If we're going to make an arse of ourselves we make a total arse of it
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Post by bidefordgas on Jan 16, 2023 12:29:42 GMT
As a side issue does anyone know if bidefordgas is ok please Fit and well thanks jules. Not been posting a lot lately, but having a little chuckle about the Wrexham ground works. I was talking out my ass according to some when I said about their development plans and Lo and behold a couple of months on and they’re well underway. That new stand is going to be something else with hospitality and community facilities to bring in income seven days a week. Puts us to shame I’m sorry to say.
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 16, 2023 12:42:47 GMT
The program has made over £4 million. I wonder how much the owners and club will get and how much Disney keep. With their following and money, they were always going to get things done if they wanted too. They will make a lot of the money back, with their following. There was talk of gofundme and other revenue streams setup to help finance things at our club, but Wael apparently insisted that wasn't necessary and finance wasn't an issue. After three years of near silence on the stadium issue it would be nice to hear what the plans are going forward for something perfectly summed up previously by Wael himself: "This football club requires and needs a new stadium" and "If we want to succeed, a new stadium has to happen. A new stadium has to be built." I would happily commit to a monthly contribution to finance a new stadium.
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 16, 2023 12:46:33 GMT
Where are we going wrong regards a new stadium or a Mem refurb......every other club except us in some respect either improve current set ups to build new Stadia. I started watching the Gas in 1979 and in those 43 years not one brick has been laid. We keep changing our minds and lack of cash so reliant on third parties. First it was one new North stand, then a whole revamp with Opel student lets before UWE which dragged on for years and now the Fruit Market (add in the pandemic which caused additional delays). But we are in no different position than any other club wanting to develop their ground. How do they do it? Twenty years ago Brighton were playing at a rented athletics track FFS. Surely we can get a loan to build it. If only our owner knew someone in the banking sector 🤣
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Post by baggins on Jan 16, 2023 12:52:59 GMT
There was talk of gofundme and other revenue streams setup to help finance things at our club, but Wael apparently insisted that wasn't necessary and finance wasn't an issue. After three years of near silence on the stadium issue it would be nice to hear what the plans are going forward for something perfectly summed up previously by Wael himself: "This football club requires and needs a new stadium" and "If we want to succeed, a new stadium has to happen. A new stadium has to be built." I would happily commit to a monthly contribution to finance a new stadium. Buy a brick?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 16, 2023 13:02:32 GMT
We keep changing our minds and lack of cash so reliant on third parties. First it was one new North stand, then a whole revamp with Opel student lets before UWE which dragged on for years and now the Fruit Market (add in the pandemic which caused additional delays). But we are in no different position than any other club wanting to develop their ground. How do they do it? Twenty years ago Brighton were playing at a rented athletics track FFS. Surely we can get a loan to build it. If only our owner knew someone in the banking sector 🤣 We are losing £3m a year so we need revenue to cover that, then we need further revenue to progress the club and finally revenue to both service the loan and eventually repay it. Without a good business case, we'd struggle to get commercial banking loans and therefore reliant on owners. To afford that would mean we have to expand with sufficient room to generate that income. It's definitely doable but not that easy. Besides, what is the point spending a lot of vital cash on the Mem if the plan is a new build in 3-5 years? I would have settled on a new stand many years ago (say, £5m for 5,000 seats which would have been achievable imho) but the decision was to move so nothing got done and we've been in limbo for the past 10-12 years. Each time we don't move and change our minds, the clock gets reset.
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 16, 2023 13:17:22 GMT
But we are in no different position than any other club wanting to develop their ground. How do they do it? Twenty years ago Brighton were playing at a rented athletics track FFS. Surely we can get a loan to build it. If only our owner knew someone in the banking sector 🤣 We are losing £3m a year so we need revenue to cover that, then we need further revenue to progress the club and finally revenue to both service the loan and eventually repay it. Without a good business case, we'd struggle to get commercial banking loans and therefore reliant on owners. To afford that would mean we have to expand with sufficient room to generate that income. It's definitely doable but not that easy. Besides, what is the point spending a lot of vital cash on the Mem if the plan is a new build in 3-5 years? I would have settled on a new stand many years ago (say, £5m for 5,000 seats which would have been achievable imho) but the decision was to move so nothing got done and we've been in limbo for the past 10-12 years. Each time we don't move and change our minds, the clock gets reset. That Stuart is spot on,we are in a cycle of chicken and egg re the finance,there needs to be a capital raising exercise to break the log jam
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 16, 2023 14:00:43 GMT
But we are in no different position than any other club wanting to develop their ground. How do they do it? Twenty years ago Brighton were playing at a rented athletics track FFS. Surely we can get a loan to build it. If only our owner knew someone in the banking sector 🤣 We are losing £3m a year so we need revenue to cover that, then we need further revenue to progress the club and finally revenue to both service the loan and eventually repay it. Without a good business case, we'd struggle to get commercial banking loans and therefore reliant on owners. To afford that would mean we have to expand with sufficient room to generate that income. It's definitely doable but not that easy. Besides, what is the point spending a lot of vital cash on the Mem if the plan is a new build in 3-5 years? I would have settled on a new stand many years ago (say, £5m for 5,000 seats which would have been achievable imho) but the decision was to move so nothing got done and we've been in limbo for the past 10-12 years. Each time we don't move and change our minds, the clock gets reset. But we're not in any different position than most other clubs in loosing money. I was also referring to both a new stand or a new stadium. As for the new stand I would say you could fit a 9k stand on the east side. As for the stadium being 3 to 5 years away. That is a rolling basis. I doubt we'll see anything within 10 years at least. My frustration is we're no different to any other club. How can we not finance and build something. Without spending on the infrastructure the club will slowly die. We can't afford not to build something.
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Post by keygas on Jan 16, 2023 14:01:10 GMT
There was talk of gofundme and other revenue streams setup to help finance things at our club, but Wael apparently insisted that wasn't necessary and finance wasn't an issue. After three years of near silence on the stadium issue it would be nice to hear what the plans are going forward for something perfectly summed up previously by Wael himself: "This football club requires and needs a new stadium" and "If we want to succeed, a new stadium has to happen. A new stadium has to be built." I would happily commit to a monthly contribution to finance a new stadium. AFC Wimbledon raised 7.5 million through a Plough Lane bond scheme to help finance their new stadium, I’am sure we could do something similar if it was required.
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Post by baggins on Jan 16, 2023 14:04:25 GMT
I would happily commit to a monthly contribution to finance a new stadium. AFC Wimbledon raised 7.5 million through a Plough Lane bond scheme to help finance their new stadium, I’am sure we could do something similar if it was required. I'm not sure Finance is the problem.
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Post by pirate on Jan 16, 2023 14:07:39 GMT
I would happily commit to a monthly contribution to finance a new stadium. AFC Wimbledon raised 7.5 million through a Plough Lane bond scheme to help finance their new stadium, I’am sure we could do something similar if it was required. This is the point. Stuff like this was mooted, but dismissed as unnecessary by Wael who insisted finance was in place. Meanwhile 5 years on and the silence is deafening.
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Post by TAGas on Jan 16, 2023 14:31:04 GMT
I can't even remember the last time Wael said anything in a statement let lone a about progress on a new stadium.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 16, 2023 14:46:48 GMT
We are losing £3m a year so we need revenue to cover that, then we need further revenue to progress the club and finally revenue to both service the loan and eventually repay it. Without a good business case, we'd struggle to get commercial banking loans and therefore reliant on owners. To afford that would mean we have to expand with sufficient room to generate that income. It's definitely doable but not that easy. Besides, what is the point spending a lot of vital cash on the Mem if the plan is a new build in 3-5 years? I would have settled on a new stand many years ago (say, £5m for 5,000 seats which would have been achievable imho) but the decision was to move so nothing got done and we've been in limbo for the past 10-12 years. Each time we don't move and change our minds, the clock gets reset. That Stuart is spot on,we are in a cycle of chicken and egg re the finance,there needs to be a capital raising exercise to break the log jam “ finance is not a problem “
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jan 16, 2023 14:50:17 GMT
Many years ago when one of our failed new stadium projects was in full flow,probably UWE,we were asked to contact THE RT HON Eric Pickles to urge him to give the green light to the planning permission.Then a few of us paraded outside the Council at the bottom of Park Street to urge the Council to rubber stamp it.A very fit lady MP complete with a Rovers Shirt were there in support and it was duly a triumphant outcome.Then the 'Watertight plan fell through only for the new chairman Steve Hamer to say when questioned ,'Finance is not an issue'. As I was able to persuade numerous people to write,email etc to Mr Pickles,it was typical Rovers nothing ever happened.When Mr Wael was asked about the new stadium he'd promised he spoke of how he'd paid for new hand driers in the Gents and later that he couldn't let us know what was happening due to a 'Confidentiality' issue.Not heard anything official since but currently back in Staffs for two days and going to Vale this evening where their planned ground improvements are on display for all to see. P.S.How can tiny Morecambe afford such an impressive main stand on their miniscule crowds?
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Post by baggins on Jan 16, 2023 14:53:45 GMT
That Stuart is spot on,we are in a cycle of chicken and egg re the finance,there needs to be a capital raising exercise to break the log jam “ finance is not a problem “ Is it?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 16, 2023 15:38:58 GMT
As a side issue does anyone know if bidefordgas is ok please Fit and well thanks jules. Not been posting a lot lately, but having a little chuckle about the Wrexham ground works. I was talking out my ass according to some when I said about their development plans and Lo and behold a couple of months on and they’re well underway. That new stand is going to be something else with hospitality and community facilities to bring in income seven days a week. Puts us to shame I’m sorry to say. Good to hear from to Dave, i was getting a bit worried as i had not seen any posts from you so thanks. I agree, we are just treading water and a statement of intent, at the very least, would be very welcome
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 16, 2023 15:44:21 GMT
Many years ago when one of our failed new stadium projects was in full flow,probably UWE,we were asked to contact THE RT HON Eric Pickles to urge him to give the green light to the planning permission.Then a few of us paraded outside the Council at the bottom of Park Street to urge the Council to rubber stamp it.A very fit lady MP complete with a Rovers Shirt were there in support and it was duly a triumphant outcome.Then the 'Watertight plan fell through only for the new chairman Steve Hamer to say when questioned ,'Finance is not an issue'. As I was able to persuade numerous people to write,email etc to Mr Pickles,it was typical Rovers nothing ever happened.When Mr Wael was asked about the new stadium he'd promised he spoke of how he'd paid for new hand driers in the Gents and later that he couldn't let us know what was happening due to a 'Confidentiality' issue.Not heard anything official since but currently back in Staffs for two days and going to Vale this evening where their planned ground improvements are on display for all to see. It seems a long time since the landing lights were on.
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