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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 16, 2023 15:46:08 GMT
That Stuart is spot on,we are in a cycle of chicken and egg re the finance,there needs to be a capital raising exercise to break the log jam “ finance is not a problem “ Things change. 'Events, dear boy, events', as an esteemed politician may have said. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 16, 2023 15:47:24 GMT
I would happily commit to a monthly contribution to finance a new stadium. AFC Wimbledon raised 7.5 million through a Plough Lane bond scheme to help finance their new stadium, I’am sure we could do something similar if it was required. Serious question, do you think the fans would trust this, after the farce that is the share scheme ? We have history of messing the fans about and i would think twice about something like this. If plans were solid and sure then I’d have no problem but we need that first |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 16, 2023 15:49:08 GMT
“ finance is not a problem “ Things change. 'Events, dear boy, events', as an esteemed politician may have said. Us getting a new stadium never changes ….. it ain’t happening lads ! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 16, 2023 15:53:12 GMT
AFC Wimbledon raised 7.5 million through a Plough Lane bond scheme to help finance their new stadium, I’am sure we could do something similar if it was required. Serious question, do you think the fans would trust this, after the farce that is the share scheme ? We have history of messing the fans about and i would think twice about something like this. If plans were solid and sure then I’d have no problem but we need that first With the correct legal safeguards, maybe held in Trust? That said, £7.5m would finance a nice stand at the Mem but not really a new stadium. Which brings me back to a question I asked many moons ago, are we a big 'little club' with requirements for L1 football and 12-15k max or a little 'big club' with sustained Championship ambitions and a requirement for 20k+? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 16, 2023 15:56:53 GMT
Things change. 'Events, dear boy, events', as an esteemed politician may have said. Us getting a new stadium never changes ….. it ain’t happening lads ! Oh ye of little faith. 🤞 |
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Post by keygas on Jan 16, 2023 15:58:39 GMT
AFC Wimbledon raised 7.5 million through a Plough Lane bond scheme to help finance their new stadium, I’am sure we could do something similar if it was required. Serious question, do you think the fans would trust this, after the farce that is the share scheme ? We have history of messing the fans about and i would think twice about something like this. If plans were solid and sure then I’d have no problem but we need that first If everything was in place such as design & planning consent & a definitely construction start date was set in stone, after the amount of years we’ve been waiting for this to come to fruition, I personally would imagine fans would back hit to the hilt. |
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Post by percy on Jan 16, 2023 16:00:49 GMT
Serious question, do you think the fans would trust this, after the farce that is the share scheme ? We have history of messing the fans about and i would think twice about something like this. If plans were solid and sure then I’d have no problem but we need that first With the correct legal safeguards, maybe held in Trust? That said, £7.5m would finance a nice stand at the Mem but not really a new stadium. Which brings me back to a question I asked many moons ago, are we a big 'little club' with requirements for L1 football and 12-15k max or a little 'big club' with sustained Championship ambitions and a requirement for 20k+? I'd say we are a big little club. Historically 12-15K would be enough, even in the champ. Maybe move the dial to 15-18K . Brentford and Bournemouth have shown what big little clubs can do |
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Post by keygas on Jan 16, 2023 16:09:21 GMT
Serious question, do you think the fans would trust this, after the farce that is the share scheme ? We have history of messing the fans about and i would think twice about something like this. If plans were solid and sure then I’d have no problem but we need that first With the correct legal safeguards, maybe held in Trust? That said, £7.5m would finance a nice stand at the Mem but not really a new stadium. Which brings me back to a question I asked many moons ago, are we a big 'little club' with requirements for L1 football and 12-15k max or a little 'big club' with sustained Championship ambitions and a requirement for 20k+? £7.5 million wouldn’t be enough to build a stadium, but how much is the Mem worth to a housing developer, with Bristol having the most expensive housing outside the south east of the country, I would have thought a substantial amount. Add various forms of sponsorship such as naming rights & include other businesses in the plans such as hotels, commerce & gyms etc, it is more than possible. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 16, 2023 16:11:40 GMT
That Stuart is spot on,we are in a cycle of chicken and egg re the finance,there needs to be a capital raising exercise to break the log jam “ finance is not a problem “ Oh yeah forgot that,in my experience it's always a problem. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 16, 2023 16:13:23 GMT
Serious question, do you think the fans would trust this, after the farce that is the share scheme ? We have history of messing the fans about and i would think twice about something like this. If plans were solid and sure then I’d have no problem but we need that first If everything was in place such as design & planning consent & a definitely construction start date was set in stone, after the amount of years we’ve been waiting for this to come to fruition, I personally would imagine fans would back hit to the hilt. For sure. We wold need that a a base though. I don’t have kids but i like to think there will be a rovers to see for many more generations |
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 16, 2023 16:25:53 GMT
With the correct legal safeguards, maybe held in Trust? That said, £7.5m would finance a nice stand at the Mem but not really a new stadium. Which brings me back to a question I asked many moons ago, are we a big 'little club' with requirements for L1 football and 12-15k max or a little 'big club' with sustained Championship ambitions and a requirement for 20k+? £7.5 million wouldn’t be enough to build a stadium, but how much is the Mem worth to a housing developer, with Bristol having the most expensive housing outside the south east of the country, I would have thought a substantial amount. Add various forms of sponsorship such as naming rights & include other businesses in the plans such as hotels, commerce & gyms etc, it is more than possible. If such a scheme was set up I wonder if it could be set up as a charitable thing such that it gets all the tax relief on any donations. |
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 16, 2023 16:27:18 GMT
£7.5 million wouldn’t be enough to build a stadium, but how much is the Mem worth to a housing developer, with Bristol having the most expensive housing outside the south east of the country, I would have thought a substantial amount. Add various forms of sponsorship such as naming rights & include other businesses in the plans such as hotels, commerce & gyms etc, it is more than possible. If such a scheme was set up I wonder if it could be set up as a charitable thing such that it gets all the tax relief on any donations. Ultimately we need Wael to speak on this and tell us what is happening. Even if it is nothing. |
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 16, 2023 16:31:08 GMT
With the correct legal safeguards, maybe held in Trust? That said, £7.5m would finance a nice stand at the Mem but not really a new stadium. Which brings me back to a question I asked many moons ago, are we a big 'little club' with requirements for L1 football and 12-15k max or a little 'big club' with sustained Championship ambitions and a requirement for 20k+? £7.5 million wouldn’t be enough to build a stadium, but how much is the Mem worth to a housing developer, with Bristol having the most expensive housing outside the south east of the country, I would have thought a substantial amount. Add various forms of sponsorship such as naming rights & include other businesses in the plans such as hotels, commerce & gyms etc, it is more than possible. Not sure where I got this from but Exeter's new stand cost £5M. Should give an idea of the costs of building something. Although that doesn't include land cost. If we were building the UWE now I would imagine it would be around £50M |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 16, 2023 17:17:30 GMT
£7.5 million wouldn’t be enough to build a stadium, but how much is the Mem worth to a housing developer, with Bristol having the most expensive housing outside the south east of the country, I would have thought a substantial amount. Add various forms of sponsorship such as naming rights & include other businesses in the plans such as hotels, commerce & gyms etc, it is more than possible. Not sure where I got this from but Exeter's new stand cost £5M. Should give an idea of the costs of building something. Although that doesn't include land cost. If we were building the UWE now I would imagine it would be around £50M A basic stand is roughly £1m per 1,000 seats going by previous costs from other teams over the years, more if you want to include additional extras, but a reasonable gauge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 17:29:49 GMT
£7.5 million wouldn’t be enough to build a stadium, but how much is the Mem worth to a housing developer, with Bristol having the most expensive housing outside the south east of the country, I would have thought a substantial amount. Add various forms of sponsorship such as naming rights & include other businesses in the plans such as hotels, commerce & gyms etc, it is more than possible. Not sure where I got this from but Exeter's new stand cost £5M. Should give an idea of the costs of building something. Although that doesn't include land cost. If we were building the UWE now I would imagine it would be around £50M Exeter's was £3.4m along with redevelopment of the away end and building new changing rooms in the opposite stand paid for by the sale of land behind the Big Bank for student accommodation. They came up with idea after seeing how the abandoned Memorial Stadium regeneration plans were being funded. They had to get the council onside with the plans as they do not own the ground but it is owned by the council who agreed to the plan. |
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Post by aghast on Jan 16, 2023 17:41:11 GMT
If such a scheme was set up I wonder if it could be set up as a charitable thing such that it gets all the tax relief on any donations. Ultimately we need Wael to speak on this and tell us what is happening. Even if it is nothing. I'm sure Wael is aware of this and the growing concerns of fans. Why he hasn't said anything at all for so long is a complete mystery. He was great at communications in the past. I can only think of three reasons: -he wants out; -he's selling a share of the club to others; -there is a stadium deal brewing. Otherwise there is no reason to alienate his paying customers by hunkering down in a bunker if nothing at all is going to happen. |
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 16, 2023 18:19:10 GMT
Ultimately we need Wael to speak on this and tell us what is happening. Even if it is nothing. I'm sure Wael is aware of this and the growing concerns of fans. Why he hasn't said anything at all for so long is a complete mystery. He was great at communications in the past. I can only think of three reasons: -he wants out; -he's selling a share of the club to others; -there is a stadium deal brewing. Otherwise there is no reason to alienate his paying customers by hunkering down in a bunker if nothing at all is going to happen. I don't know about great communication in the past. They were pretty awful letting the fans know about the demise of the UWE. Didn't it only come out after they were put in a position they had no choice and then it was rushed out in a brief tweet. If I remember correctly. Even the training ground has had confusing communication. It was meant to be a cat 2 facility or whatever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Wael. I just don't think he's ever communicated that much of substance with the fans. |
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Post by percy on Jan 17, 2023 8:51:07 GMT
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 17, 2023 9:03:58 GMT
Dangerous posting something like that. How long is it before someone will start the rumour that the delay is because they are looking to include a sports arena in the plans.  I'm sure the post are already on it. I'll be on the look out for the new YTL arena stadium thread ("No Recent Developments"). |
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Post by percy on Jan 17, 2023 9:09:58 GMT
Dangerous posting something like that. How long is it before someone will start the rumour that the delay is because they are looking to include a sports arena in the plans. I'm sure the post are already on it. I'll be on the look out for the new YTL arena stadium thread ("No Recent Developments"). haha, that did cross my mind briefly |
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I'm sure the post are already on it.