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Post by warehamgas on Jan 17, 2023 9:59:03 GMT
I'm sure Wael is aware of this and the growing concerns of fans. Why he hasn't said anything at all for so long is a complete mystery. He was great at communications in the past. I can only think of three reasons: -he wants out; -he's selling a share of the club to others; -there is a stadium deal brewing. Otherwise there is no reason to alienate his paying customers by hunkering down in a bunker if nothing at all is going to happen. They were pretty awful letting the fans know about the demise of the UWE. Didn't it only come out after they were put in a position they had no choice and then it was rushed out in a brief tweet. If I remember correctly. Even the training ground has had confusing communication. It was meant to be a cat 2 facility or whatever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Wael. I just don't think he's ever communicated that much of substance with the fans. I suppose it depends on what you call good communication. I only heard about the demise of the UWE when I was in the queue to get into the Valley in August ‘17, first day of the season. (And I’m a bit of an anorak, always looking at the website for news.) It had come out on the Friday night I think from a Rovers fan /group who’d heard the news. Club then put out a hurriedly put together statement. I’m with you heart, not Wael bashing as I like the guy and what he’s done overall as our owner but communication is not one of his strengths. UTG! |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 17, 2023 12:20:47 GMT
If such a scheme was set up I wonder if it could be set up as a charitable thing such that it gets all the tax relief on any donations. Ultimately we need Wael to speak on this and tell us what is happening. Even if it is nothing. Definitely and it doesn’t help when one place was turned down, whether i am believed or not. Truth is none of us knows if he wants to spend the huge amount to bring ther club forward but i am sure we would soon find out as I cannot a see Barton staying if there was not something to push on with |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 17, 2023 17:12:54 GMT
Ultimately we need Wael to speak on this and tell us what is happening. Even if it is nothing. Definitely and it doesn’t help when one place was turned down, whether i am believed or not. Truth is none of us knows if he wants to spend the huge amount to bring ther club forward but i am sure we would soon find out as I cannot a see Barton staying if there was not something to push on with Barton will be long gone before work on a new stadium commences let alone is finished. |
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Jan 17, 2023 18:38:27 GMT
Definitely and it doesn’t help when one place was turned down, whether i am believed or not. Truth is none of us knows if he wants to spend the huge amount to bring ther club forward but i am sure we would soon find out as I cannot a see Barton staying if there was not something to push on with Barton will be long gone before work on a new stadium commences let alone is finished. Which site/ project did Mark McGhee talk about during his tedious tenure? |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 17, 2023 19:21:15 GMT
Ultimately we need Wael to speak on this and tell us what is happening. Even if it is nothing. Definitely and it doesn’t help when one place was turned down, whether i am believed or not. Truth is none of us knows if he wants to spend the huge amount to bring ther club forward but i am sure we would soon find out as I cannot a see Barton staying if there was not something to push on with What does it matter if we turned a site down if we’re invested in another site? I know it seems like doomsday because there’s no news but no news does not mean nothing is happening now, even if that may have been the case before. |
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Post by fintanstack on Jan 17, 2023 21:33:54 GMT
Definitely and it doesn’t help when one place was turned down, whether i am believed or not. Truth is none of us knows if he wants to spend the huge amount to bring ther club forward but i am sure we would soon find out as I cannot a see Barton staying if there was not something to push on with What does it matter if we turned a site down if we’re invested in another site? I know it seems like doomsday because there’s no news but no news does not mean nothing is happening now, even if that may have been the case before. How long are you prepared to hold the opinion that nothing happening and no communication of anything happening means something is happening? It is an utterly bizarre position to hold. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 17, 2023 21:37:23 GMT
What does it matter if we turned a site down if we’re invested in another site? I know it seems like doomsday because there’s no news but no news does not mean nothing is happening now, even if that may have been the case before. How long are you prepared to hold the opinion that nothing happening and no communication of anything happening means something is happening? It is an utterly bizarre position to hold. He didn’t say that. No news is no news to be made public, it can mean there’s nothing to report or it can mean there’s news but Wael has chosen not to release it until he wants to. UWE was kept secret for years, it’s how it works. |
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Post by Jomo on Jan 17, 2023 21:40:21 GMT
What does it matter if we turned a site down if we’re invested in another site? I know it seems like doomsday because there’s no news but no news does not mean nothing is happening now, even if that may have been the case before. How long are you prepared to hold the opinion that nothing happening and no communication of anything happening means something is happening? It is an utterly bizarre position to hold. To be fair, having the opinion that "no news does not necessarily mean nothing is happening", is different from thinking that "no news means something is happening". |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 17, 2023 21:46:29 GMT
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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Post by aghast on Jan 17, 2023 22:20:13 GMT
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Well it might be, if all of the Fruit Market redevelopment documentation and press releases fail to mention, even in passing, the forthcoming stadium. Is it a secret or something? All the other facilities are discussed at length. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 17, 2023 22:28:57 GMT
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Well it might be, if all of the Fruit Market redevelopment documentation and press releases fail to mention, even in passing, the forthcoming stadium. Is it a secret or something? All the other facilities are discussed at length. I thought they were supposed to mention a "sports facility" whatever that's supposed to be? Apart from that and some comments about a food market it's not really clear what is being earmarked for such a big area of development land, although repositioning of the Feeder Rd is mentioned? |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 17, 2023 22:32:53 GMT
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Well it might be, if all of the Fruit Market redevelopment documentation and press releases fail to mention, even in passing, the forthcoming stadium. Is it a secret or something? All the other facilities are discussed at length. It will not show on the plans because we’re having the worlds first underground stadium ! |
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Post by drawnandquartered on Jan 17, 2023 22:45:59 GMT
Schrödinger memorial stadium
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 17, 2023 22:52:45 GMT
Well it might be, if all of the Fruit Market redevelopment documentation and press releases fail to mention, even in passing, the forthcoming stadium. Is it a secret or something? All the other facilities are discussed at length. It will not show on the plans because we’re having the worlds first underground stadium ! That would enable a much bigger carpark……feeling excited |
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 18, 2023 9:36:28 GMT
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Uh oh, it's turning into a religious/philosophical argument. If a tree falls in a forest etc etc. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 18, 2023 9:47:46 GMT
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Uh oh, it's turning into a religious/philosophical argument. If a tree falls in a forest etc etc. It certainly could. By the way, the tree makes a sound but doesn't make a noise. |
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Post by heartofgas on Jan 18, 2023 10:24:37 GMT
So what do we know? Wael said 3 and a half years ago "It’s still our aim to be in (a new ground) in 2 years time. We have identified one site we’re very interested in, the site at the fruit market. Technical work on the planning process is underway". Observations from this statement. The aim to be in in 2 years time did not happen. Work on the planning process was underway. Questions - What happened to that work? was there ever a conclusion to that? or is it still ongoing? Was it abandoned? Why has it been Three and a half years without further statements? I have read the 88 page development document that has just been issued for the St Philips marsh area ( I was bored at work😂 ) and here are my thoughts/observations. Firstly it is very high level wish list type document. Not much of it seems concrete. Other points to note. The main focus of it seems to be on residential development and green spaces. The area aims to keep car use to a minimum. The development timescale is 10-30 years. The document talks about different scenarios of use. ONE of the scenarios described as: "Leisure / Mixed Use Scenario 2 identifies land associated with the Bristol Fruit Market site as an opportunity for a large scale, mixed use leisure destination, potentially including a new leisure and sporting facility and associated facilities. This could potentially include reconfiguration of the market to create a more visitor focused attraction including fresh food / street food markets, entertainment and education. The large scale nature of these uses would require substantial land acquisition and realignment of Albert Road". I read from this that the fruit market will stay where it is, this would rule out a stadium. However the diagram that goes with the scenario shows a suspicious stadium looking square. (apologies about the diagram I couldn't figure out how to get it any bigger.)  . Additionally further on in the document when it discusses phasing, it states phase 2 (2025-2035) "Phase 2: Prioritising creation of Avon River Park flood defences / green infrastructure and Albert Road Resilient Access Network to create a cohesive riverside development area with strong links to Temple Meads and residential areas to the south. POTENTIAL delivery of a leisure and sporting facility on Bristol Fruit Market site, with potential relocation of the market within the local area."This seems to suggest that the stadium could still be considered or maybe the document has been updated and no one checked for consistency. So what can we conclude? - The stadium could still be a consideration but it has gone from being within the plans to a possible scenario among a number of others. Very vague mentions and uses term sporting facility rather than arena. If the stadium is still a possibility I would say we are no further along than three and a half years ago
- I don't think we can conclude that the stadium is not going to happen on the fruit market. However I think it is fair to assume that we are some way away from anything concrete on any plans
- If anything is going to happen it will happen between 2025 and 2035. Even if it is going to happen we could be 13 years away from something being built. Although the figures seem pretty finger in the air
- The planned use of the land is residential with minimum car usage, would this aim work with a football stadium that will potentially bring in 20,000 people. How feasible is it.
Having read the document I don't think it tells us anything that we didn't already know. Which is pretty much nothing more than rumour and speculation. We could be planning a stadium or were not planning a stadium.
As always we await an update that never comes.
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Post by pirate on Jan 18, 2023 10:38:46 GMT
So what do we know? Wael said 3 and a half years ago "It’s still our aim to be in (a new ground) in 2 years time. We have identified one site we’re very interested in, the site at the fruit market. Technical work on the planning process is underway". Observations from this statement. The aim to be in in 2 years time did not happen. Work on the planning process was underway. Questions - What happened to that work? was there ever a conclusion to that? or is it still ongoing? Was it abandoned? Why has it been Three and a half years without further statements? A statement from the board on future plans after years of silence would be nice. "This football club requires and needs a new stadium"..."If we want to succeed, a new stadium has to happen. A new stadium has to be built." |
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Post by percy on Jan 18, 2023 10:51:24 GMT
Would you accept a new FM stadium by 2035 if the mem had some tidying up and one new stand now for the next 12 years?
I'd probably take that right now, sadly
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Jan 18, 2023 10:57:21 GMT
So what do we know? Wael said 3 and a half years ago "It’s still our aim to be in (a new ground) in 2 years time. We have identified one site we’re very interested in, the site at the fruit market. Technical work on the planning process is underway". Observations from this statement. The aim to be in in 2 years time did not happen. Work on the planning process was underway. Questions - What happened to that work? was there ever a conclusion to that? or is it still ongoing? Was it abandoned? Why has it been Three and a half years without further statements? I have read the 88 page development document that has just been issued for the St Philips marsh area ( I was bored at work😂 ) and here are my thoughts/observations. Firstly it is very high level wish list type document. Not much of it seems concrete. Other points to note. The main focus of it seems to be on residential development and green spaces. The area aims to keep car use to a minimum. The development timescale is 10-30 years. The document talks about different scenarios of use. ONE of the scenarios described as: "Leisure / Mixed Use Scenario 2 identifies land associated with the Bristol Fruit Market site as an opportunity for a large scale, mixed use leisure destination, potentially including a new leisure and sporting facility and associated facilities. This could potentially include reconfiguration of the market to create a more visitor focused attraction including fresh food / street food markets, entertainment and education. The large scale nature of these uses would require substantial land acquisition and realignment of Albert Road". I read from this that the fruit market will stay where it is, this would rule out a stadium. However the diagram that goes with the scenario shows a suspicious stadium looking square. (apologies about the diagram I couldn't figure out how to get it any bigger.) View Attachment. Additionally further on in the document when it discusses phasing, it states phase 2 (2025-2035) "Phase 2: Prioritising creation of Avon River Park flood defences / green infrastructure and Albert Road Resilient Access Network to create a cohesive riverside development area with strong links to Temple Meads and residential areas to the south. POTENTIAL delivery of a leisure and sporting facility on Bristol Fruit Market site, with potential relocation of the market within the local area."This seems to suggest that the stadium could still be considered or maybe the document has been updated and no one checked for consistency. So what can we conclude? - The stadium could still be a consideration but it has gone from being within the plans to a possible scenario among a number of others. Very vague mentions and uses term sporting facility rather than arena. If the stadium is still a possibility I would say we are no further along than three and a half years ago
- I don't think we can conclude that the stadium is not going to happen on the fruit market. However I think it is fair to assume that we are some way away from anything concrete on any plans
- If anything is going to happen it will happen between 2025 and 2035. Even if it is going to happen we could be 13 years away from something being built. Although the figures seem pretty finger in the air
- The planned use of the land is residential with minimum car usage, would this aim work with a football stadium that will potentially bring in 20,000 people. How feasible is it.
Having read the document I don't think it tells us anything that we didn't already know. Which is pretty much nothing more than rumour and speculation. We could be planning a stadium or were not planning a stadium.
As always we await an update that never comes.
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