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Post by axegas on Jan 22, 2023 16:17:33 GMT
I don’t want this place to be known as a happy clappy Wael supporters club, that if you should have any differing opinion you should go elsewhere ect. The forum is here in some respects as a platform of critical thinking and as a platform to share concerns with others. However this forum also exists as a platform of debate and as a general rule of debate you provide your reasoning behind your stated beliefs and opinions when asked to. That’s where we’ve had problems, with people lobbing grenades then vanishing when they are called to provide their motivation for taking such a critical view of the current ownership. If Swiss or any other person of anti-Wael disposition want to register for here and have a reasoned conversation about the ownership and the future of the club then I’d welcome it. I don't think this is a particularly welcoming place to anyone who holds a an opinion counter to the positive masses. One of the reasons I stopped posting was because I felt hounded out because I do not support our current manager. I know others left or post less for the same reason and I noticed following promotion last season some on here still could not resist having a pop at anyone who does not support Barton. I am with you 100% on that Hugo. I've posted far less in this season than in any other season that I've been registered to this place because I'm on record as not being a massive fan of Barton and I don't want it to prejudice my opinions towards the club or start a row. As a mod, I'd like to think I've always stood up for letting people with minority opinions and viewpoints be heard and not shouted down. It will stay that way. Anyway, nice to see you back. This forum is a lot better with posters like yourself around. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 22, 2023 16:18:56 GMT
As I posted earlier wasn't this the fans who had a plan but no actual financial backing? It's a bit like one of suggesting a stadium could be built at Filton airfield but having no idea how to finance it, then suggesting Wael had snubbed a perfectly feasible suggestion for a new stadium. Although I'm not sure the club can be criticised if they looked at the plans before dismissing them as not viable, rather than just dismissing, or ignoring them, without even considering them? You're another poster who tends to see no good in Wael, you're probably one of the few posters supporting Swissgas' post on the other forum. Who do you expect will come in and do a better job? Swindon's new owner was apparently the new Messiah but he's hardly making great progress. One of the 2 was asked to be part of the process and invest. It was a totally different and more sports oriented group who now have the land. As for anti Wael, i can see why you would think that but we have gone from the stadium will be built and finance not an issue to literally no news at all. He is a financial banker so will know that losing 3 million pa is not viable and surely it can’t go on forever and , even though i do not have kids, i hope that we do, four future generations. Our entire future is in one persons hands, i find that worrying. If we are winning then no one seems to mention anything so maybe best to just keep winning games and we won’t get into this stuff eh lol. Regular fan? And you know all this? There's something very underhanded with you I'm afraid. |
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Post by eric on Jan 22, 2023 16:24:20 GMT
As I posted earlier wasn't this the fans who had a plan but no actual financial backing? It's a bit like one of suggesting a stadium could be built at Filton airfield but having no idea how to finance it, then suggesting Wael had snubbed a perfectly feasible suggestion for a new stadium. Although I'm not sure the club can be criticised if they looked at the plans before dismissing them as not viable, rather than just dismissing, or ignoring them, without even considering them? You're another poster who tends to see no good in Wael, you're probably one of the few posters supporting Swissgas' post on the other forum. Who do you expect will come in and do a better job? Swindon's new owner was apparently the new Messiah but he's hardly making great progress. One of the 2 was asked to be part of the process and invest. It was a totally different and more sports oriented group who now have the land. As for anti Wael, i can see why you would think that but we have gone from the stadium will be built and finance not an issue to literally no news at all. He is a financial banker so will know that losing 3 million pa is not viable and surely it can’t go on forever and , even though i do not have kids, i hope that we do, four future generations. Our entire future is in one persons hands, i find that worrying. If we are winning then no one seems to mention anything so maybe best to just keep winning games and we won’t get into this stuff eh lol. Perhaps Higgs would be interested in buying us and bring back the good old days. He could reignite the UWE stadium deal so we could be long term leaseholders with a minimal share of its income streams. If the Mem is not valued as high as Sainsbury’s originally bid then the build cost shortfall could be funded by a wonga loan secured against the training ground site. Personally, I’m more comfortable that Rovers will continue to exist under Wael than at any other time since I started supporting the club in the early 80’s. That’s not to say I’m happy with the lack of updates from Wael/the club regarding the fruit market as it was him who first brought it to our attention as a preferred location for a new stadium several years ago. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 22, 2023 16:32:46 GMT
One of the 2 was asked to be part of the process and invest. It was a totally different and more sports oriented group who now have the land. As for anti Wael, i can see why you would think that but we have gone from the stadium will be built and finance not an issue to literally no news at all. He is a financial banker so will know that losing 3 million pa is not viable and surely it can’t go on forever and , even though i do not have kids, i hope that we do, four future generations. Our entire future is in one persons hands, i find that worrying. If we are winning then no one seems to mention anything so maybe best to just keep winning games and we won’t get into this stuff eh lol. Perhaps Higgs would be interested in buying us and bring back the good old days. He could reignite the UWE stadium deal so we could be long term leaseholders with a minimal share of its income streams. If the Mem is not valued as high as Sainsbury’s originally bid then the build cost shortfall could be funded by a wonga loan secured against the training ground site. Personally, I’m more comfortable that Rovers will continue to exist under Wael than at any other time since I started supporting the club in the early 80’s. That’s not to say I’m happy with the lack of updates from Wael/the club regarding the fruit market as it was him who first brought it to our attention as a preferred location for a new stadium several years ago. Fair comment and I wish I did not give a toss. Once we get back to the football this will go quiet again. Too many of us are bored and write too much, spend too much time here. I am one of them. I tend to reminisce about Eastville too yet that was a dump come the years after the fire |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2023 17:53:56 GMT
I have seen proof of mails, texts etc, it looked like it was going to happen. It was two supporters, one wealthy, that were asked to be involved. One is on here but now chooses not to post, no NDA but the deal came to a halt after Wael asked two people to give it a good look and they said not viable. Another club, not football, will be there but i have been asked not to divulge this as it could hamper progress. You can chose to believe me or not but, unless the guy made up the email addresses and other then it was very real as a good prospect. Tin hat now firmly on , waiting for you know who to write and me not read. So if it wasn't viable, was it not better to leave it?? You would have to hope, that they were comparing it to other options and something else, was more viable, whether that be the fruit market, or something else all together!! I've said in the past that I don't want needles updates and that I would rather they waited, until there was something concrete to say, one way or another. However with all the rumors, squabbling etc, I think we do need some kinda update. Even if it is, just to say Wael is still committed and looking into options. The Uwe and Sainsburys was all planned on secret and nothing was leaked. So they could still be working on the fruit market, or something else. They only thing for certain, is that Wael won't want to write off high debts, every few years. So he will have to have some kinda plan to break even. Don't think Barton would stay, if he didn't have some kind of guarantee and we did back him during the summer and start the training ground before that. Would we be doing that, if Wael wanted out?? Wael backing JB in the transfer market and Weal bankrolling a new stadium are surely two different issues? Although where's JB really going to go if Wael doesn't back him, as I can't see many other clubs taking the risk. I don't really understand why we can't have an update, we're all not going to suddenly stop going to games if Wael says it will be 3+ years before we get a new stadium? Probably now would be a good time given the general free food factor around the team. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2023 18:24:02 GMT
So if it wasn't viable, was it not better to leave it?? You would have to hope, that they were comparing it to other options and something else, was more viable, whether that be the fruit market, or something else all together!! I've said in the past that I don't want needles updates and that I would rather they waited, until there was something concrete to say, one way or another. However with all the rumors, squabbling etc, I think we do need some kinda update. Even if it is, just to say Wael is still committed and looking into options. The Uwe and Sainsburys was all planned on secret and nothing was leaked. So they could still be working on the fruit market, or something else. They only thing for certain, is that Wael won't want to write off high debts, every few years. So he will have to have some kinda plan to break even. Don't think Barton would stay, if he didn't have some kind of guarantee and we did back him during the summer and start the training ground before that. Would we be doing that, if Wael wanted out?? Wael backing JB in the transfer market and Weal bankrolling a new stadium are surely two different issues? Although where's JB really going to go if Wael doesn't back him, as I can't see many other clubs taking the risk. I don't really understand why we can't have an update, we're all not going to suddenly stop going to games if Wael says it will be 3+ years before we get a new stadium? Probably now would be a good time given the general free food factor around the team. We need an update on the stadium and the free food. It's utterly indefensible to have had no updates for so long. |
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Post by eric on Jan 22, 2023 18:27:03 GMT
So if it wasn't viable, was it not better to leave it?? You would have to hope, that they were comparing it to other options and something else, was more viable, whether that be the fruit market, or something else all together!! I've said in the past that I don't want needles updates and that I would rather they waited, until there was something concrete to say, one way or another. However with all the rumors, squabbling etc, I think we do need some kinda update. Even if it is, just to say Wael is still committed and looking into options. The Uwe and Sainsburys was all planned on secret and nothing was leaked. So they could still be working on the fruit market, or something else. They only thing for certain, is that Wael won't want to write off high debts, every few years. So he will have to have some kinda plan to break even. Don't think Barton would stay, if he didn't have some kind of guarantee and we did back him during the summer and start the training ground before that. Would we be doing that, if Wael wanted out?? Wael backing JB in the transfer market and Weal bankrolling a new stadium are surely two different issues? Although where's JB really going to go if Wael doesn't back him, as I can't see many other clubs taking the risk. I don't really understand why we can't have an update, we're all not going to suddenly stop going to games if Wael says it will be 3+ years before we get a new stadium? Probably now would be a good time given the general free food factor around the team. Perhaps revenue stream arguments are being overstated if the club are giving away free food. |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jan 22, 2023 18:43:53 GMT
 Everton's new stadium will be ready for August 2024.We could be playing them by then so hope they get it finished as I don't want my team playing at any old dump. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 22, 2023 18:51:49 GMT
So if it wasn't viable, was it not better to leave it?? You would have to hope, that they were comparing it to other options and something else, was more viable, whether that be the fruit market, or something else all together!! I've said in the past that I don't want needles updates and that I would rather they waited, until there was something concrete to say, one way or another. However with all the rumors, squabbling etc, I think we do need some kinda update. Even if it is, just to say Wael is still committed and looking into options. The Uwe and Sainsburys was all planned on secret and nothing was leaked. So they could still be working on the fruit market, or something else. They only thing for certain, is that Wael won't want to write off high debts, every few years. So he will have to have some kinda plan to break even. Don't think Barton would stay, if he didn't have some kind of guarantee and we did back him during the summer and start the training ground before that. Would we be doing that, if Wael wanted out?? Wael backing JB in the transfer market and Weal bankrolling a new stadium are surely two different issues? Although where's JB really going to go if Wael doesn't back him, as I can't see many other clubs taking the risk. I don't really understand why we can't have an update, we're all not going to suddenly stop going to games if Wael says it will be 3+ years before we get a new stadium? Probably now would be a good time given the general free food factor around the team. I think if Wael came out and said it'll be 3+ years for the new stadium to open he'll be getting a visit from the FA Drug Testing Team. I think the club are mindful of being open and honest about the next to zero chance of us moving to a new stadium under his guidance. I think many people would in fact lose interest if he were truly honest about our prospects on that front. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 22, 2023 19:44:10 GMT
Wael backing JB in the transfer market and Weal bankrolling a new stadium are surely two different issues? Although where's JB really going to go if Wael doesn't back him, as I can't see many other clubs taking the risk. I don't really understand why we can't have an update, we're all not going to suddenly stop going to games if Wael says it will be 3+ years before we get a new stadium? Probably now would be a good time given the general free food factor around the team. I think if Wael came out and said it'll be 3+ years for the new stadium to open he'll be getting a visit from the FA Drug Testing Team. I think the club are mindful of being open and honest about the next to zero chance of us moving to a new stadium under his guidance. I think many people would in fact lose interest if he were truly honest about our prospects on that front. Honesty is the best policy. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2023 19:56:48 GMT
Wael backing JB in the transfer market and Weal bankrolling a new stadium are surely two different issues? Although where's JB really going to go if Wael doesn't back him, as I can't see many other clubs taking the risk. I don't really understand why we can't have an update, we're all not going to suddenly stop going to games if Wael says it will be 3+ years before we get a new stadium? Probably now would be a good time given the general free food factor around the team. I think if Wael came out and said it'll be 3+ years for the new stadium to open he'll be getting a visit from the FA Drug Testing Team. I think the club are mindful of being open and honest about the next to zero chance of us moving to a new stadium under his guidance. I think many people would in fact lose interest if he were truly honest about our prospects on that front. Not much of a Rovers fan if you can't take a bit of honesty regarding a stadium by now. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2023 19:59:30 GMT
Wael backing JB in the transfer market and Weal bankrolling a new stadium are surely two different issues? Although where's JB really going to go if Wael doesn't back him, as I can't see many other clubs taking the risk. I don't really understand why we can't have an update, we're all not going to suddenly stop going to games if Wael says it will be 3+ years before we get a new stadium? Probably now would be a good time given the general free food factor around the team. I think if Wael came out and said it'll be 3+ years for the new stadium to open he'll be getting a visit from the FA Drug Testing Team. I think the club are mindful of being open and honest about the next to zero chance of us moving to a new stadium under his guidance. I think many people would in fact lose interest if he were truly honest about our prospects on that front. Why would fans lose interest, if they can carry on supporting us in the Conference then I assume they can survive a bit bad of stadium news |
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 22, 2023 20:03:49 GMT
Why dont we remove this thread until there is an update from the club, everyone is just guessing as the club is genuinely water tight, we dont have any crazy gangers that are lose lipped!
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Post by aghast on Jan 22, 2023 20:21:34 GMT
I think if Wael came out and said it'll be 3+ years for the new stadium to open he'll be getting a visit from the FA Drug Testing Team. I think the club are mindful of being open and honest about the next to zero chance of us moving to a new stadium under his guidance. I think many people would in fact lose interest if he were truly honest about our prospects on that front. Why would fans lose interest, if they can carry on supporting us in the Conference then I assume they can survive a bit bad of stadium news If Wael announced that the FM deal was off, I don't think anyone would be reeling around in shock or returning their season tickets. Just lots of resigned shrugs and a sense of relief that at least we know what we all suspected. If he said the deal was off but other plans are afoot, that would be good to hear, but I don't think it would trigger thousands to rush to the ticket office and sell out every game. But we'd all be pleased to see the club communicating with the fans. I can't see what he has to lose by issuing an update. But he would gain kudos and respect if he did. Probably secret things afoot that, if leaked, would ruin the club. Bit unlikely, that one. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2023 21:19:07 GMT
Why dont we remove this thread until there is an update from the club, everyone is just guessing as the club is genuinely water tight, we dont have any crazy gangers that are lose lipped! if this thread was removed it would only be replaced with another one discussing a new stadium, at least we all know nothing interesting is happening on this thread. |
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Post by Smithy Gas on Jan 22, 2023 22:24:28 GMT
Why would fans lose interest, if they can carry on supporting us in the Conference then I assume they can survive a bit bad of stadium news If Wael announced that the FM deal was off, I don't think anyone would be reeling around in shock or returning their season tickets. Just lots of resigned shrugs and a sense of relief that at least we know what we all suspected. If he said the deal was off but other plans are afoot, that would be good to hear, but I don't think it would trigger thousands to rush to the ticket office and sell out every game. But we'd all be pleased to see the club communicating with the fans. I can't see what he has to lose by issuing an update. But he would gain kudos and respect if he did. Probably secret things afoot that, if leaked, would ruin the club. Bit unlikely, that one. Reading what you’ve written, objectively, shows to me that the fruit market deal must still be in play otherwise why wouldn’t Wael or the club do either of those things (call it off, say somewhere else was on the go etc.) We don’t know of course but the fact the developers purportedly buying the land and the potential leaseholders of the one of the largest uses of that land are absolutely silent on the issue says a whole lot more to me than a measly platitude many are calling for. All will out in due course and Wael and Tom are not stupid - they know 5, 6, or 7 years of just saying we cannot say anything wont hold forever (ridiculous that we are apathetic enough to wait that long!) |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2023 22:40:41 GMT
The developers buying the land, Congyer Investments, have gone as quiet as Wael lately. I doubt there's anything happening at present regarding progress on that front.
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Post by xenongas on Jan 23, 2023 11:14:47 GMT
I saw Wael get thrown out of Conygar's AGM after trying to get in with a 50/50 ticket from the Scunthorpe game. Holloway drove him there in an orange car with the numberplate FRT MRKT.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 23, 2023 11:26:09 GMT
I think if Wael came out and said it'll be 3+ years for the new stadium to open he'll be getting a visit from the FA Drug Testing Team. I think the club are mindful of being open and honest about the next to zero chance of us moving to a new stadium under his guidance. I think many people would in fact lose interest if he were truly honest about our prospects on that front. Why would fans lose interest, if they can carry on supporting us in the Conference then I assume they can survive a bit bad of stadium news There was a novelty value in the conference and we were successful so people turned up. I'm talking about the long term impact of the prospect of staying at the Mem. That impact will be significant if the news were to be a definite "we're going nowhere and I'm not spending anything on the Mem." I think that impact would be on the fringe fans not the die hard few of us that post here. I have friends and family that don't go because of the state of the facilities and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.So it's my belief that it serves the club well to maintain the new stadium myth |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jan 23, 2023 12:23:34 GMT
I saw Wael get thrown out of Conygar's AGM after trying to get in with a 50/50 ticket from the Scunthorpe game. Holloway drove him there in an orange car with the numberplate FRT MRKT. That's as plausible as a lot of the other stuff posted on this thread!  |
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