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Post by singupgas on Sept 12, 2023 8:59:02 GMT
Wow, some of you lot need to get some perspective. In what way? If the club was to just come out and say we are staying at the Mem and would develop what we can that would probably please some fans and accepted in time by those who are disappointed. I think it's the waiting years for another project to fail, only to have another carrot dangled. Like the FM is near collapse, but but we are in talks with YTL apparently, which if gathered some momentum, you would not be mad for betting against it failing. As someone else posted, what is the right deal for the club? |
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Post by albaron on Sept 12, 2023 9:00:44 GMT
Good point well made I would much rather have a beer at the Mem pre-match even if it cost a bit more than up the road but it takes so bloody long to get served but that’s probably the same at the majority of clubs with small stadiums? What in one of those paper cups ? No wonder the pubs outside the ground are pretty full on matchdays. |
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Post by Quarters on Sept 12, 2023 9:05:01 GMT
Bournemouth is interesting ,yet they now have a wealthy US owner prepared to stick his hand in his pocket , plus they have been elevated to Prem level
pretty much due to Eddie Howes brilliant managment ( 2015 ) . The prob with the Mem is do we want to go down the temp stand thing or put in perm structures that
require a lot of finance ,something I'm not sure the hierachy can stump up.
You are assuming that our owners don't have the wealth but have also forgotten that the new owner of Bournemouth got involved because they were in the Premier League . Things change when you get to Shangri La. If Rovers ever get to the Premiership you would suddenly find that suitors come calling and that opportunities for new stadiums would grow out of the woodwork. Life would be easier than they are at this transition stage Yet, allegedly, others looked at buying the club. Turned down by Wael. What we don't know, will never know, were they bad deals for the club or Wael? |
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Post by amgas on Sept 12, 2023 9:08:10 GMT
The truth of the matter is unless you have an owner with Lansdown levels of cash to throw away we are not going to get a stadium anytime soon. I would much rather they spent any available cash on getting the Mem upto 10k seats which is relatively easy with a redeveloped thatchers end.
If we progress on the pitch and manage to get promoted, which is more realistic than a stadium, we might attract the interest of someone with enough cash to rebuild the rest of the mem or bank roll a new stadium.
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Sept 12, 2023 9:11:27 GMT
Wow, some of you lot need to get some perspective. In what way? If the club was to just come out and say we are staying at the Mem and would develop what we can that would probably please some fans and accepted in time by those who are disappointed. I think it's the waiting years for another project to fail, only to have another carrot dangled.Like the FM is near collapse, but but we are in talks with YTL apparently, which if gathered some momentum, you would not be mad for betting against it failing. As someone else posted, what is the right deal for the club? Exactly this ,when they say its the hope that gets you ,boy did they mean Rovers! In the 40 near years since Eastville , its just been carrot after carrot
and then ironicly our real succesful period was when we we're playing in another town ,work that out.
For us of a certain age this is now part and parcel ,but now the young uns are having this in their dna .
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 12, 2023 9:15:36 GMT
The truth of the matter is unless you have an owner with Lansdown levels of cash to throw away we are not going to get a stadium anytime soon. I would much rather they spent any available cash on getting the Mem upto 10k seats which is relatively easy with a redeveloped thatchers end. If we progress on the pitch and manage to get promoted, which is more realistic than a stadium, we might attract the interest of someone with enough cash to rebuild the rest of the mem or bank roll a new stadium. How come 67% of current EFL teams have managed some form of permanent stadium development be it whole stadium or stand developments since we bought The Mem? I guess it's because Bristol doesn't allow for stadium redevelopments? |
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Post by justin blue on Sept 12, 2023 9:15:53 GMT
I can hardly wait for the club statement on this latest failure. Expecting the same old excuses, everybody else’s fault, not the best deal for the future of Bristol Rovers, we are looking at other potential sites, topped off with we need to be patient blah blah b##dy blah. I really should know better by now, but no I always end up wanting to believe the crap that comes from this club despite the voice in my head saying its more bullish#t.
Is there a way forward for this club or is it destined to exist in this perpetual state of limbo forevermore.
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Post by heartofgas on Sept 12, 2023 9:19:00 GMT
I can hardly wait for the club statement on this latest failure. Expecting the same old excuses, everybody else’s fault, not the best deal for the future of Bristol Rovers, we are looking at other potential sites, topped off with we need to be patient blah blah b##dy blah. I really should know better by now, but no I always end up wanting to believe the crap that comes from this club despite the voice in my head saying its more bullish#t. Is there a way forward for this club or are it destined to exist in this perpetual state of limbo forevermore. You missed "these things take time" |
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Post by amgas on Sept 12, 2023 9:21:16 GMT
We have had no problem getting planning permission for a redeveloped 5K stand, a complete stadium with student blocks or the UWE. The problem is we have never had owners with the funds to make these schemes a reality.
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Post by pirate on Sept 12, 2023 9:23:52 GMT
You are assuming that our owners don't have the wealth but have also forgotten that the new owner of Bournemouth got involved because they were in the Premier League . Things change when you get to Shangri La. If Rovers ever get to the Premiership you would suddenly find that suitors come calling and that opportunities for new stadiums would grow out of the woodwork. Life would be easier than they are at this transition stage Yet, allegedly, others looked at buying the club. Turned down by Wael. What we don't know, will never know, were they bad deals for the club or Wael? I wonder if the prospective US investors at Carlisle United were one of those interested and approached us? You would imagine so as Wael of Fortune mentioned approaches from US. I doubt any serious businessman wants him lurking around afterwards and that is probably the sticking point, Wael wanting to remain involved. |
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Post by nailseagas43 on Sept 12, 2023 9:24:46 GMT
We all knew the fm plan was flimsy at best, whilst we all hoped it would come off, it seems that the delevoper may want their cake and want to eat it at the same time "talks about revenue share, delevopment size" with rising cost for construction etc they may be thinking we could get more bang for our buck by building a smaller stadium or just not building one at all as we could fit lots more shoeboxes in the footprint of a 20k football stadium.
We have been waiting for a new home of our own for many years and looks like the wait is going to go on.
But all this is hearsay from the Bristol Post and we all know how reliable and trustworthy they are as a source. 🤣
Maybe the club will surprise us and actually tell us what is going on but then again why change the habit of a lifetime 😁😁
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 12, 2023 9:24:56 GMT
We have had no problem getting planning permission for a redeveloped 5K stand, a complete stadium with student blocks or the UWE. The problem is we have never had owners with the funds to make these schemes a reality. It's weird because a lot of other clubs manage it... There's a huge level of incompetence at the club that's been there for board, after board, after board. It's impressive. |
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Post by percy on Sept 12, 2023 9:26:19 GMT
Wow, some of you lot need to get some perspective. If the club was to just come out and say we are staying at the Mem and would develop what we can that would probably please some fans and accepted in time by those who are disappointed. I think it's the waiting years for another project to fail, only to have another carrot dangled. Like the FM is near collapse, but but we are in talks with YTL apparently, which if gathered some momentum, you would not be mad for betting against it failing. As someone else posted, what is the right deal for the club? Calling our owner "Wally" People saying they are throwing their Season Tickets on the pitch Forgetting how much we have improved (Mem aside) Looking at what could happen with terrible owners I am as disappointed as anyone, but we dont know the story yet, if there are negotiations ongoing the club is best not going public. They (or one of the other parties) may have leaked it for their own leverage tho. We do make things worse and have made some big mistakes (that video, STs for a stand with no PP etc) but let's keep some perspective and not throw the baby out with the bathwater. |
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Post by percy on Sept 12, 2023 9:27:38 GMT
Yet, allegedly, others looked at buying the club. Turned down by Wael. What we don't know, will never know, were they bad deals for the club or Wael? I wonder if the prospective US investors at Carlisle United were one of those interested and approached us? You would imagine so as Wael of Fortune mentioned approaches from US. I doubt any serious businessman wants him lurking around afterwards and that is probably the sticking point, Wael wanting to remain involved. Good |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 12, 2023 9:27:45 GMT
Good point well made I would much rather have a beer at the Mem pre-match even if it cost a bit more than up the road but it takes so bloody long to get served but that’s probably the same at the majority of clubs with small stadiums? The level of service from the staff in the food concessions is appalling. Mainly students who don’t give a stuff - why does it take 3 people to serve up a pre-heated pasty in a cashless operation? I can probably answer that myself - one to turn around and pick up the pasty, one to type the price on to the machine and one to stand idly by checking Facebook on their phone. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys....as reflected in our management structure |
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 12, 2023 9:28:11 GMT
In what way? If the club was to just come out and say we are staying at the Mem and would develop what we can that would probably please some fans and accepted in time by those who are disappointed. I think it's the waiting years for another project to fail, only to have another carrot dangled. Like the FM is near collapse, but but we are in talks with YTL apparently, which if gathered some momentum, you would not be mad for betting against it failing. As someone else posted, what is the right deal for the club? People saying they are throwing their Season Tickets on the pitch Forgetting how much we have improved (Mem aside) Looking at what could happen with terrible owners I am as disappointed as anyone, but we dont know the story yet, if there are negotiations ongoing the club is best not going public. They (or one of the other parties) may have leaked it for their own leverage tho. We do make things worse and have made some big mistakes (that video, STs for a stand with no PP etc) but let's keep some perspective and not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The other option was calling him thick as mince, I thought Wally was more polite. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 12, 2023 9:29:25 GMT
I wonder if the prospective US investors at Carlisle United were one of those interested and approached us? You would imagine so as Wael of Fortune mentioned approaches from US. I doubt any serious businessman wants him lurking around afterwards and that is probably the sticking point, Wael wanting to remain involved. Good 😆🤣😆🤣 |
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Sept 12, 2023 9:29:51 GMT
Calling our owner "Wally" People saying they are throwing their Season Tickets on the pitch Forgetting how much we have improved (Mem aside) Looking at what could happen with terrible owners I am as disappointed as anyone, but we dont know the story yet, if there are negotiations ongoing the club is best not going public. They (or one of the other parties) may have leaked it for their own leverage tho. We do make things worse and have made some big mistakes (that video, STs for a stand with no PP etc) but let's keep some perspective and not throw the baby out with the bathwater. The other option was calling him thick as mince, I thought Wally was more polite. But he's not thick ,naive I suspect ,but not thick |
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Post by percy on Sept 12, 2023 9:31:34 GMT
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Post by heartofgas on Sept 12, 2023 9:32:44 GMT
The thing with the fruit market is I can't believe we were ever anywhere near it being a viable deal. We never even got to see an artist's impression of what was being proposed. From 2019 until earlier this year we didn't hear anything further on it. That was three years of no updates. I do question how serious we ever really were about the fruit market.
I remember when the UWE proposal collapsed I thought surely they must have been working on a plan B.
It seems funny that we were told that the new owners have been heavily involved in the fruit market discussions. Was this true? as the BP article seems to suggest that we walked away some time ago. It feels like we've been fed BS
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