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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 11, 2019 8:46:58 GMT
It appears obvious on here that that this is one thing we all agree on needs improving, yet we are left with the same players as last year!!
Ogogo - puts himself about but better off the ball than on it
Clarke - Another one who is better off the ball than on it, good on his day but inconsistent.
Upson - Keeps things ticking over but slow in doing so.
Bennett - Technically good but flatters to deceive, little end product
Rodman - Inconsistent, need to play 4-4-2 with wingers to suit him.
Sercombe - Technically good but inconsistent, can score the odd good goal but doesn't create as much as you would think. Goes missing regularly.
Tomlinson - Promising young player, a number 10 who deserves some time at the end of games. Trouble is unless we are winning 2 or 3-0 he might struggle to get those minutes!
Disappointed Tomlinson wasn't on the bench yesterday and Smith. Tomlinson although young has something about him, and Smith looked promising last week.
Nichols - Should Nichols be tried in midfield, behind 2 strikers in the number 10 role? I think he lacks that extra burst of pace that he needs to play off the shoulder.
The disappointing thing for me in all this, is that we are left with the same midfield which failed to create much last year. Our most likely chance of scoring yesterday, looked through Adeboyejo who nearly created 2 goals from nothing. Was really pleased with his performance by the way as I wasn't overly impressed by him last week.
So GC/Wael, what are we going to do about it?
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Post by darkbluegas on Aug 11, 2019 8:53:03 GMT
Having seen the effort and commitment that the kids at Bolton put in yesterday I'd give ours a go. We sure as hell don't have the budget to buy anyone decent
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 8:57:26 GMT
Simply no one in the squad is good enough in our midfield to dictate the game. Players have to come in and players have to come out. Lines would walk into that midfield and I honestly don’t think any of them and that includes Ollie, could do the simple holding role like Mansell did.
Upson, Ogogo and Ollie, 3 of the slowest players I can remember on the ball, all need 2 or 3 touches to have it under control and none can get away from a man.
I’m not Cogs bashing yet but he’s had a budget and missed out central midfield
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Post by kampucheagas on Aug 11, 2019 8:59:40 GMT
Good post. It’s our problem and has been for a few seasons now. DC never got the balance right, and GC is left with a slow, defensive minded set of midfielders.
Probably not a lot he can do about it while they are under contract, needs to stick to his word and drop players out of form! A boost of some young talent from the Dev squad might give a kick up the backsides to some of the under performers and who knows? We might have a gem under our noses!
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 11, 2019 9:00:38 GMT
Smith was injured apparently but Adebayjo did well yesterday. Him and JCH as a front 2 would be decent I think if they could get some service.
I just think we need to go back to basics and do the simple things well. Yesterday was long ball in attack and sit as deep as you can.
The change needs to be throughout the team. We either go 532/352
With 3 centre halves, 2 wing backs and then playing OC and Agogo with Sercs in front and maximising our width that way.
Or
442. Little/Hare Davies Craig/Kilgour Leahy/Kelly
Rodman Clarke Upson/Sercs Bennett/Leahy
JCH Adebayjo/Smith.
It’s not just the tactics that were wrong yesterday but the whole philosophy. OC is not a CAM, never in a million. Upson can’t play the creative ball playing CM, he’s not technically good enough and his passing is wayward, Lines would have done that role better. Nichols can’t play long ball football, he’s an off the shoulder forward who needs it into feet.
Playing players out of position is a cardinal sin in my opinion and then forcing them to play tactics that doesn’t play to their strengths is another and both are a recipe for poor play, poor results and relegation.
Yesterday GC he said he set up to combat Wycombes aggressive style, why drag ourselves down to their level? Why not play in and around them with some pace?
That said I liked the look of their number 5 defender, he was a bit petulant but very quick, very strong and played the ball very well.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Aug 11, 2019 9:19:22 GMT
Completely agree with op it's blatantly obvious that this is where our problems lie but for whatever reason they haven't been addressed.
I personally think we lack a player with the bravery to try a creative pass, all our central midfielders play safe passes either sideways or backwards or if they do go forwards the good old ball over the full back into the channel. Our 'wingers' either play safe passes back to the full back or come inside & pass sideways.
Tomlinson looks like he has that ability to beat a man or play passes inside defenders & more importantly has the confidence to try things even if previously they've not come off. It's asking a lot for a 1st year pro to come in & be the main focus of our attacks but unless we're going to bring in a similar player I'm not sure we have many other options.
Failing that I think we have to use whatever width we have available whether that's as a 442 or 352 I don't think matters we have to be more creative.
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 11, 2019 9:26:54 GMT
The exact reason retained lists being pulled to pieces by fans at the end of the season is pointless. Releasing a player is only worthwhile if you replace with better. I’m not sure we have...
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 11, 2019 9:37:28 GMT
Think we need to move on from Lines, given that he hardly played last season. What's baffling is why GC released Sincs and Lines but never signed any replacements, but we've two defenders for every position plus a decent reserve goalie. Plus we've still no left footed wide player in the squad.
What I can't understand is why GC didn't simply swap Secs and OC around, what was OC actually supposed to be doing yesterday in his odd No 10 role?
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 11, 2019 9:39:57 GMT
I don’t think it will be sorted, After all , GC has had the whole of preseason to sort this obvious issue out which was clear to see last season also. It is well documented by various different outlets that we are struggling financially but surely there are talents in and around the European network that we could of picked up ? I’m genuinely worried that if we don’t manage to get more reinforcements in , we are in for a relegation battle , again. It all just stinks of no ambition.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 9:46:06 GMT
I will tell you exactly what we are going to about! We will waste away our time bitching and moaning about on this forum that’s what, and if anybody dares challenge our opinions we will shout them down!
As for the club, well they will just do nothing.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Aug 11, 2019 10:00:37 GMT
If we can’t give the youngsters a go this season I don’t know whenever we can. It’s terrible because of the state of the clubs, but effectively bury and Bolton are already relegated so there’s only 2 relegation sports this season, surely this is a prime time to embed those youngsters in.
Realistically we won’t be challenging for anything this season, so I don’t see why we don’t just give it a go.
Harrison, Clarke, Lockyer all prime examples of what our youngsters can do given the chance.
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Post by bisto180 on Aug 11, 2019 10:03:12 GMT
I wonder if making Ollie captain was a good idea, the couple of games last year where he deputised for Locks, it took the edge off his game and he hasn’t set the world alight this season!!!
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Post by gasheadontour on Aug 11, 2019 10:11:53 GMT
Yesterday GC he said he set up to combat Wycombes aggressive style, why drag ourselves down to their level? Why not play in and around them with some pace?
Because the squad lacks pace and so would have been more likely to have lost the match?
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Post by Gas1977 on Aug 11, 2019 10:17:00 GMT
We almost got relegated because of the lack of goals and the lack of Pace in midfield. We’ve got a goalscorer in JCH and Smith/Adeboyejo look promising but the lack of pace in midfield is still there. That should have been GCs number one priority in the summer imo. He should have demanded it from Wael. If Wael isn’t prepared to fix tiny issues that cause huge problems - that would defo suggest that something is on the cards... All we had to do was get shot of Lines, Sincs and another CM. Then we could get a ‘engine’ in midfield. GC keeps talking about this pace down the sides. If he wants he can get it, if teams are doing him favours why doesn’t he ask for wingers with pace instead of strikers? We went from Marquee signings - to not being able to get 1 fast winger. Ollie should never be captain, it should be Craig who is consistent week in week out. Ollie should focus on his own game rather than others imo. I saw no encouragement from him yesterday to any other of the players. GC is starting to worry me with him press conferences. I’d like to think if there is no money being spent then perhaps Wael gnuinely looking to sell.
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 11, 2019 10:25:34 GMT
We all know we need wingers. GC has said so himself, lots of times. So it's an important few weeks coming up.
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Post by gasheadontour on Aug 11, 2019 10:27:22 GMT
I don’t think it will be sorted, After all , GC has had the whole of preseason to sort this obvious issue out which was clear to see last season also. It is well documented by various different outlets that we are struggling financially but surely there are talents in and around the European network that we could of picked up ? I’m genuinely worried that if we don’t manage to get more reinforcements in , we are in for a relegation battle , again. It all just stinks of no ambition.
It seems unlikely that GC will be given the go ahead for additional funds to sign the players he wants when you consider the chances of Bury and Bolton being relegated and that it has been reported the club is up for sale.
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 11, 2019 10:28:14 GMT
We almost got relegated because of the lack of goals and the lack of Pace in midfield. We’ve got a goalscorer in JCH and Smith/Adeboyejo look promising but the lack of pace in midfield is still there. That should have been GCs number one priority in the summer imo. He should have demanded it from Wael. If Wael isn’t prepared to fix tiny issues that cause huge problems - that would defo suggest that something is on the cards... All we had to do was get shot of Lines, Sincs and another CM. Then we could get a ‘engine’ in midfield. GC keeps talking about this pace down the sides. If he wants he can get it, if teams are doing him favours why doesn’t he ask for wingers with pace instead of strikers? We went from Marquee signings - to not being able to get 1 fast winger. Ollie should never be captain, it should be Craig who is consistent week in week out. Ollie should focus on his own game rather than others imo. I saw no encouragement from him yesterday to any other of the players. GC is starting to worry me with him press conferences. I’d like to think if there is no money being spent then perhaps Wael gnuinely looking to sell. Agree but windows not shut yet for us. We need to bring in atleast one quick winger. Even if it's a loan signing. Lots of Premier League and championship clubs made signings, over the last week. Now they can't loan player's out above league 1 level, in the UK. So hopefully this means, we might actually be able to bring one in. |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 11, 2019 10:29:33 GMT
Fully agree with OP - our midfield options are poor and I dread to think how we’ll get on in that area of the pitch v Coventry & Oxford this month (two sides with very technically-gifted midfielders, particularly Oxford).
I think I’d be tempted to go 352, especially once THD is fit.
_____________Jaakkola
_____Kilgour___Davies___Craig
Little_____Ogogo_____Clarke___THD
_____________Bennett
___________JCH____Adeboyejo
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 11, 2019 10:33:35 GMT
We all know we need wingers. GC has said so himself, lots of times. So it's an important few weeks coming up. He mentioned we need a striker in the week. I doubt we have the budget for both. I don't even know it it's just wingers either, I think we need more of a creative central midfielder. |
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Post by degas on Aug 11, 2019 10:43:33 GMT
Totally agree with blooding some of the development squad. As with most clubs we will always be more forgiving on home grown youngsters and allow them time and give them our support from the terraces as they come through the ranks and play for the first team. All we need is someone brave enough to look at the long term benefit for the club and not the short term pressure of results which subconsciously pressures you to stay with older players who may be part of the problem.
Having some young players coming through from the development squad could be just what we need to get everyone in the stands supporting and encouraging the players. Remember when Andre came in and played in goal after Smith or Slocombe got injured - all of the home terrace got behind him and the atmosphere was amazing.
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