Marshy
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Post by Marshy on Sept 7, 2019 18:15:26 GMT
Calm down every one! certainly more watchable than last seasons dire home defeat to Accy, every one assumes playing 10 men should be easy but it seldom is as many teams have found out, enforced changes def. had bearing on performance, onwards and upwards to a comfortable mid table finish!!GC will prevail in the end with all the helpful advice from this forum!! Most teams play two banks of four when down to ten men but AS attacked and outplayed us. It was ridiculous that they had so much time and space when down to ten. GC should have made tactical and formation changes but instead he made two like for like subs - a winger playing in an attacking midfield role replaced by another winger playing in the identical attacking midfield role and a little centre forward replaced by another little centre forward. Yes we gave away some uncharacteristic silly goals but the blame for dropping two points lies solely with GC IMO. I can’t argue with this eric, spot on! Very worrying that game was in our hands at 2 - 2 and some how we conspired to nearly lose it. Our manager doesn’t seem to have the nous to change things to suit the way the game is panning out. I don’t think we’re gonna go down but it’s not going to be a comfortable season. |
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Post by gasbox on Sept 7, 2019 18:17:02 GMT
Dire performance, didn’t look like we wanted it at all. They out played us from the moment they scored. We Looked on top until they equalised and then we dropped a bollock. Playing the long ball constantly didn’t work yet we did it for 90 odd minutes. Rodman and Nichols were 2 of the best players and yet we subbed them off for two lightweight players who did nothing other than Bennett hitting the bar
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Post by brads213 on Sept 7, 2019 18:20:21 GMT
Well what a total load of hollow was that today, refs please don’t send players off from the other side because we can’t play against 10 men we have enough trouble playing against 11.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 7, 2019 18:25:11 GMT
Going against the grain as I immediately thought penalty from behind the goal in the thatchers! Give the ref a break! Me two.I wasnt angry with him, but the tackle.Who was it again as I cant recall? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 7, 2019 18:29:54 GMT
Going against the grain as I immediately thought penalty from behind the goal in the thatchers! Give the ref a break! Me two.I wasnt angry with him, but the tackle.Who was it again as I cant recall? Hare |
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Post by socrates on Sept 7, 2019 18:35:10 GMT
Most teams play two banks of four when down to ten men but AS attacked and outplayed us. It was ridiculous that they had so much time and space when down to ten. GC should have made tactical and formation changes but instead he made two like for like subs - a winger playing in an attacking midfield role replaced by another winger playing in the identical attacking midfield role and a little centre forward replaced by another little centre forward. Yes we gave away some uncharacteristic silly goals but the blame for dropping two points lies solely with GC IMO. I can’t argue with this eric, spot on! Very worrying that game was in our hands at 2 - 2 and some how we conspired to nearly lose it. Our manager doesn’t seem to have the nous to change things to suit the way the game is panning out. I don’t think we’re gonna go down but it’s not going to be a comfortable season. Yeah the mans got no plan B . We win a couple of games with 5-3-2 so he then sticks with it every game despite the fact that in many of those games he needed to make changes to the formation and style of play to give us the edge but it seems he can’t see it. He’s old school , he probably will keep us up , I respect him massively for taking us from bottom at Christmas to mid table last season and if I look at the league table this season it’s not as bad as it often looks after a few games . However I find him frustrating and boring , I don’t bother to watch his post match interviews even when we’ve won, he’s got nothing interesting to say. I used to watch DCs post match interviews win lose or draw because I always felt that he offered something interesting to say. I’m not saying DC is a better manager or Cogs is, certainly if we were to look at GCs points to games ratio so far he’s done very well. Judging by our dropping attendance this season many feel the same about Cogs and his Rovers side. I think if we had signed a replacement for lines - a creative player , and a couple of quick wide men for that player to find the crowds would be higher because it would make for a better watch. With our strong ( apart from today) defence and our decent strike force we’d probably be in the top six now too. I suppose if the playing budget has been lowered as reported on here then Cogs has looked at it and thought , no money for these attacking wide players and creative midfielder , going to go tough and narrow with ball winners and grind it out. |
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Post by rosssgb on Sept 7, 2019 18:51:29 GMT
104 long balls today. More of the same if GC stays.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 7, 2019 18:54:28 GMT
Very strange 90 mins for first 15 we looked as though we were right at it, pressing high winning the ball back & creating chances. Then 5 mins of madness we're 2-1 down & from then on completely stopped doing the things that we'd done well early on.
IMO today showed how important Upson is in this system we had nobody prepared to take responsibility for keeping the ball everything went long. There is zero creativity from our central players which puts massive pressure on the full backs or JCH to create something from nothing. We also don't have a plan B every change is like for like, how many times under GC have we changed systems during a game ?
I think we have enough to comfortably avoid the bottom 3 but it might not be pretty !!
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Post by roosty56 on Sept 7, 2019 18:57:02 GMT
In summary it was an enjoyable game to watch,tbh I was impressed with with Stanley’s attitude from the start but especially when they went down to 10, Rovers Know how on how to break down 10 men,cos I was desperate for the gas to work Stanley but sadly that failed to happen, I believe Rovers believed the game was almost as good as over when they had a player sent off. Another’s game where the players had to pick the bones out of and improve next time.i would like to add I was a little surprised that one of Central Defenders wasn’t sacrificed when they were reduced to 10 ,but on hindsight it was just as well because there workrate never dropped . So who knows we could have lost it if we did make that sub, IMO it was entertaining as a spectacle got whole week to iron out the obvious frailties.oh and JCH overhead kick was well worth the admission price on its own.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 19:01:35 GMT
Calm down every one! certainly more watchable than last seasons dire home defeat to Accy, every one assumes playing 10 men should be easy but it seldom is as many teams have found out, enforced changes def. had bearing on performance, onwards and upwards to a comfortable mid table finish!!GC will prevail in the end with all the helpful advice from this forum!! Most teams play two banks of four when down to ten men but AS attacked and outplayed us. It was ridiculous that they had so much time and space when down to ten. GC should have made tactical and formation changes but instead he made two like for like subs - a winger playing in an attacking midfield role replaced by another winger playing in the identical attacking midfield role and a little centre forward replaced by another little centre forward. Yes we gave away some uncharacteristic silly goals but the blame for dropping two points lies solely with GC IMO. This is an excellent post which clearly sets out the substitution shortcomings. I would suggest that most of the blame lies with GC rather than all of it. Unless I misheard GC, in his post match interview he seemed to think we'd made substitutions which would change the game? Your account eric is more accurate. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 7, 2019 19:16:21 GMT
Very strange 90 mins for first 15 we looked as though we were right at it, pressing high winning the ball back & creating chances. Then 5 mins of madness we're 2-1 down & from then on completely stopped doing the things that we'd done well early on. IMO today showed how important Upson is in this system we had nobody prepared to take responsibility for keeping the ball everything went long. There is zero creativity from our central players which puts massive pressure on the full backs or JCH to create something from nothing. We also don't have a plan B every change is like for like, how many times under GC have we changed systems during a game ? I think we have enough to comfortably avoid the bottom 3 but it might not be pretty !! Totally agree with this. Every time we took the lead today we dropped off and sat back . First at 1-0 Then At 3-2 and against ten men they were there for the taking but we did it again. It’s because our only form of attack starts with a big thump up the pitch from defence so there’s no controlling a game because other than grafters we’ve got no midfield, olly on his day can be a creative player but those days are few and far between , he’s mostly just a grafter. At 3-2 up v 10 today we were crying out for a midfielder with vision and calmness to control the game but we haven’t got one. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 19:21:15 GMT
Calm down every one! certainly more watchable than last seasons dire home defeat to Accy, every one assumes playing 10 men should be easy but it seldom is as many teams have found out, enforced changes def. had bearing on performance, onwards and upwards to a comfortable mid table finish!!GC will prevail in the end with all the helpful advice from this forum!! Most teams play two banks of four when down to ten men but AS attacked and outplayed us. It was ridiculous that they had so much time and space when down to ten. GC should have made tactical and formation changes but instead he made two like for like subs - a winger playing in an attacking midfield role replaced by another winger playing in the identical attacking midfield role and a little centre forward replaced by another little centre forward. Yes we gave away some uncharacteristic silly goals but the blame for dropping two points lies solely with GC IMO. Could not agree more Eric. |
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Post by gashead99 on Sept 7, 2019 19:30:27 GMT
I said the same after Oxford and was criticised for it. We have a total inability to be creative in midfield. We were as incapable of breaking down 11 as we were 10. Our play is far too predictable. Long ball forward, pass back then painfully slow sideways movement allowing the opposition to get players behind the ball safe in the knowledge we have not a single midfield player capable of unlocking well organised defences. And whose tactical plan was to play high balls into Bennett!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 19:51:53 GMT
Very strange 90 mins for first 15 we looked as though we were right at it, pressing high winning the ball back & creating chances. Then 5 mins of madness we're 2-1 down & from then on completely stopped doing the things that we'd done well early on. IMO today showed how important Upson is in this system we had nobody prepared to take responsibility for keeping the ball everything went long. There is zero creativity from our central players which puts massive pressure on the full backs or JCH to create something from nothing. We also don't have a plan B every change is like for like, how many times under GC have we changed systems during a game ? I think we have enough to comfortably avoid the bottom 3 but it might not be pretty !! After ten minutes of 11 v 10 I felt sacrificing Kilgour for Bennett was the way to go. Rodman could have moved to the right with Bennett on the left and stick with Nichols and JCH up top. We could have used the full width of the pitch and really stretched Accrington, instead we played right into their hands by staying narrow and hitting long balls. whether this would have worked we’ll never know - couldn’t have been any worse than doing nothing like GC though? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 19:58:06 GMT
Very strange 90 mins for first 15 we looked as though we were right at it, pressing high winning the ball back & creating chances. Then 5 mins of madness we're 2-1 down & from then on completely stopped doing the things that we'd done well early on. IMO today showed how important Upson is in this system we had nobody prepared to take responsibility for keeping the ball everything went long. There is zero creativity from our central players which puts massive pressure on the full backs or JCH to create something from nothing. We also don't have a plan B every change is like for like, how many times under GC have we changed systems during a game ? I think we have enough to comfortably avoid the bottom 3 but it might not be pretty !! Agree about Upson who is underestimated IMO. I would like a bit more creativity or goal threat from our midfield and if we stick with our current formation that would mean one of Clarke, Ogogo or Upson being left out. With GC making Clarke captain he’s created a bit of a problem for himself as will he ever want to be seen to drop his chosen captain? I would like Ogogo and Upson holding with Sercs just ahead of them but don’t think we’ll ever see that under GC. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 7, 2019 20:47:48 GMT
Very strange 90 mins for first 15 we looked as though we were right at it, pressing high winning the ball back & creating chances. Then 5 mins of madness we're 2-1 down & from then on completely stopped doing the things that we'd done well early on. IMO today showed how important Upson is in this system we had nobody prepared to take responsibility for keeping the ball everything went long. There is zero creativity from our central players which puts massive pressure on the full backs or JCH to create something from nothing. We also don't have a plan B every change is like for like, how many times under GC have we changed systems during a game ? I think we have enough to comfortably avoid the bottom 3 but it might not be pretty !! Agree about Upson who is underestimated IMO. I would like a bit more creativity or goal threat from our midfield and if we stick with our current formation that would mean one of Clarke, Ogogo or Upson being left out. With GC making Clarke captain he’s created a bit of a problem for himself as will he ever want to be seen to drop his chosen captain? I would like Ogogo and Upson holding with Sercs just ahead of them but don’t think we’ll ever see that under GC. Wouldn't disagree with that but think you're probably right that OC as captain is likely to play when available. We're very one dimensional in an attacking sense either a cross from a full back or JCH creating something for himself. A more creative player in front of the 2 holding midfielders at least gives us the threat of playing through teams whether that comes from Sercombe, Bennett or even Nichols or Tomlinson it at least would give teams another thing to think about. Our front players have decent movement we just don't play anyone capable of picking a pass. |
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Post by Congas on Sept 7, 2019 21:02:50 GMT
They cut through our midfield with ease, especially where Ed Upson usually plays. If JCH hadn't scored with that amazing overhead kick I'd have voted Agogo as MoM.
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Post by gashead99 on Sept 7, 2019 21:07:29 GMT
They cut through our midfield with ease, especially where Ed Upson usually plays. If JCH hadn't scored with that amazing overhead kick I'd have voted Agogo as MoM. Which is odd, as he made may errors today. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 7, 2019 22:36:18 GMT
They cut through our midfield with ease, especially where Ed Upson usually plays. If JCH hadn't scored with that amazing overhead kick I'd have voted Agogo as MoM. Which is odd, as he made may errors today. I think that pretty much says it all.... |
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 8, 2019 6:08:47 GMT
One question all these expert summarisers on the radio never ask is GC, why do you hate 442 so much? He never uses it.
It’s such an obvious formation against 10 men. We had the same issue with Tranmere against 9. If you play narrow it’s easier for a team with less players to counter attack. Especially if the opponents have 1 more creative player on the pitch.
It’s not a hard change to make either with the players we have and it’s not negative.
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