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Post by Captain Jayho on Sept 30, 2019 21:37:49 GMT
DC is a legend and GC has the platform now to build his own legacy. The two are mutually exclusive. It's amazing how many people on this thread can't see this!
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Post by Hudson1883 on Sept 30, 2019 21:54:12 GMT
DC is a legend and GC has the platform now to build his own legacy. The two are mutually exclusive. It's amazing how many people on this thread can't see this! If not bizarre, it’s just plain weird.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 22:44:08 GMT
I don't know why acknowledging DC just wasn't up to the task in 2014, is impossible for some to admit. He had time to get us the few points required, and he couldn't do it. What he then learnt from that, and what he did after, was nothing short of amazing. It was unfortunate, but no shame involved. He was new and thrown in at the deep end. Someone with more experience could have done the job required, and we would now probably still be lingering unhappily around mid-table in League 2 instead of being in our historical place in the pecking order. See i think dc inherited too many lousy professional footballers and it cost us at the time but once he got his own squad and kept the good eggs already at the club he turned everything around. With coughlan i believe that apart from some obvious exceptions he had many good hard working pro players already at the club,trouble is they were confused and dispirited. He also had a transfer window which he used very well,something dc did not have. If anybody says dc badly lost his way and that coughlan came in and organised the team in short time and kept the team up it would be the truth imo.
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Post by landrover on Oct 1, 2019 5:55:08 GMT
Which is what I was saying a couple of pages back. He became too technical and complicated and gradually it all started to unravel. It needed a fresh view which proved to be Coughlan in the end. I would never accuse DC of being anything but a legend yet it’s this greatest manager of all time tag that annoys me. It’s so typical of today’s fan to dismiss everything that went on before the premiership. I would argue that today’s footballers wouldn’t survive long what with the rules and the pitches. We will never know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 7:49:22 GMT
In the taxi on the way to Birmingham airport this morning ‘our Darr’ appeared on the radio to discuss Walsall’s game tonight in the cup that shall not be named. It felt like finding out your Mrs has been cheating. Interestingly it seemed quite toned down for a DC interview. None of the usual speech patterns. “Bodies” seems to be his word of the day at the moment. Maybe he has matured a bit since his time at Rovers. A shame if so as his ability to sound raw and unscripted was part of his appeal.
Fingers crossed he rediscovers what made him great during those two promotions.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 1, 2019 8:17:12 GMT
In the taxi on the way to Birmingham airport this morning ‘our Darr’ appeared on the radio to discuss Walsall’s game tonight in the cup that shall not be named. It felt like finding out your Mrs has been cheating. Interestingly it seemed quite toned down for a DC interview. None of the usual speech patterns. “Bodies” seems to be his word of the day at the moment. Maybe he has matured a bit since his time at Rovers. A shame if so as his ability to sound raw and unscripted was part of his appeal. Fingers crossed he rediscovers what made him great during those two promotions. Probably more likely that he’s learned he’s at his best going with his head not his heart. He cared about Rovers too much by the end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 8:48:49 GMT
Which is what I was saying a couple of pages back. He became too technical and complicated and gradually it all started to unravel. It needed a fresh view which proved to be Coughlan in the end. I would never accuse DC of being anything but a legend yet it’s this greatest manager of all time tag that annoys me. It’s so typical of today’s fan to dismiss everything that went on before the premiership. I would argue that today’s footballers wouldn’t survive long what with the rules and the pitches. We will never know. Thats not true though. You were making out that the conference promotion was a walk in the park and unworthy of credit. At the time we all knew that many established clubs had spent years in non league and most of us were bracing ourselves for more than one season as a conference team.
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Post by landrover on Oct 1, 2019 9:30:45 GMT
Yes, but that was in reply to the greatest of all time rubbish that seemed to be gaining traction.
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Post by socrates on Oct 1, 2019 9:34:15 GMT
Which is what I was saying a couple of pages back. He became too technical and complicated and gradually it all started to unravel. It needed a fresh view which proved to be Coughlan in the end. I would never accuse DC of being anything but a legend yet it’s this greatest manager of all time tag that annoys me. It’s so typical of today’s fan to dismiss everything that went on before the premiership. I would argue that today’s footballers wouldn’t survive long what with the rules and the pitches. We will never know. Thats not true though. You were making out that the conference promotion was a walk in the park and unworthy of credit. At the time we all knew that many established clubs had spent years in non league and most of us were bracing ourselves for more than one season as a conference team. Yeah I certainly didn’t go in that play off semi final thinking we were definitely going to win at Wembley. We hadn’t played that well in our two games v FG in the league and it was a tough test to win promotion at the first time of asking and DC managed it brilliantly.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 1, 2019 9:45:10 GMT
Still impressive the stick Clarke gets on here, while the likes of Graydon, Buckle, McGhee & Penney don't get a look in. I guess folk like to spit venom at the ones they loved and left.
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Post by landrover on Oct 1, 2019 10:14:40 GMT
Well I am not, most definitely spitting venom at DC. If you bothered to read my posts what I’m railing against is this godlike devotion to him. I am merely bringing some perspective to it. Like I say, other managers, pre 1987, never had the playoff luxury or a second chance. You’d be either crazy or blind not to acknowledge the level certain promotions were achieved.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Oct 1, 2019 10:33:11 GMT
Well I am not, most definitely spitting venom at DC. If you bothered to read my posts what I’m railing against is this godlike devotion to him. I am merely bringing some perspective to it. Like I say, other managers, pre 1987, never had the playoff luxury or a second chance. You’d be either crazy or blind not to acknowledge the level certain promotions were achieved. A 91 point season that included a 20 game unbeaten run cannot be sniffed at, no matter what level you’re operating.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 1, 2019 10:37:39 GMT
Well I am not, most definitely spitting venom at DC. If you bothered to read my posts what I’m railing against is this godlike devotion to him. I am merely bringing some perspective to it. Like I say, other managers, pre 1987, never had the playoff luxury or a second chance. You’d be either crazy or blind not to acknowledge the level certain promotions were achieved. Prior to 1987 you also couldn't get relegated into the Conference, prior to 2002 2nd from bottom of the Football League also wouldn't get you relegated. We finished second from bottom the year before.
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Post by socrates on Oct 1, 2019 12:01:43 GMT
Still impressive the stick Clarke gets on here, while the likes of Graydon, Buckle, McGhee & Penney don't get a look in. I guess folk like to spit venom at the ones they loved and left. I’m sure my ex could confirm that’s correct.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 1, 2019 12:15:17 GMT
I still think DC deserved more time than he got, considering the promotions he got for us.
On the flip side the results were poor from the end of the previous season and continued into his last season.
In the short term it seems to have worked out, but in the long term imo we will struggle to continue to get results with the type of football we play. I still don't think we will ever see better football under GC than we did the first season back in L1 under DC. GC looks like the type of bloke who wouldn't shirk at eating a hot meal in a toilet and the football currently fits all the criteria of 'winning ugly'.
There is one obvious difference and that's JCH. I don't think anyone will argue we would have gone down without him. GC found a quality striker and DC didn't, that's it. Fine lines (not Chris) and all that.
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Post by paulpirate on Oct 1, 2019 12:20:42 GMT
Well I am not, most definitely spitting venom at DC. If you bothered to read my posts what I’m railing against is this godlike devotion to him. I am merely bringing some perspective to it. Like I say, other managers, pre 1987, never had the playoff luxury or a second chance. You’d be either crazy or blind not to acknowledge the level certain promotions were achieved. A 91 point season that included a 20 game unbeaten run cannot be sniffed at, no matter what level you’re operating. do you think Leicester day the same about their manager when they romped league 1
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Post by Gassy on Oct 1, 2019 12:26:47 GMT
A 91 point season that included a 20 game unbeaten run cannot be sniffed at, no matter what level you’re operating. do you think Leicester day the same about their manager when they romped league 1 Yes I think they’d say he did great that season. Much like they say Ranieri did fantastic in the season they won the prem, much like all fans should when we achieved a double promotion
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Post by Hudson1883 on Oct 1, 2019 12:44:45 GMT
A 91 point season that included a 20 game unbeaten run cannot be sniffed at, no matter what level you’re operating. do you think Leicester day the same about their manager when they romped league 1 I couldn’t care less what Leicester think of any of their managers. We were 2minutes from the league title. Forget levels, the pressure on Darrell’s shoulders that season was as heavy of any Rovers manager in history.
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Post by paulpirate on Oct 1, 2019 13:20:00 GMT
do you think Leicester day the same about their manager when they romped league 1 Yes I think they’d say he did great that season. Much like they say Ranieri did fantastic in the season they won the prem, much like all fans should when we achieved a double promotion i think they wouldn’t even mention it cause they would be embarrassed they dropped so low
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Post by paulpirate on Oct 1, 2019 13:23:14 GMT
do you think Leicester day the same about their manager when they romped league 1 I couldn’t care less what Leicester think of any of their managers. We were 2minutes from the league title. Forget levels, the pressure on Darrell’s shoulders that season was as heavy of any Rovers manager in history. i try to forget yes as being in the conference is embarrassing and not great that we finished behind the mighty Barnet and scraped through luckily against Grimsby
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