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Post by hardingegas on Sept 25, 2019 22:57:31 GMT
What with the EFL Trophy becoming a nonesense - after some of the crazy results in the League Cup last night and tonight does anyone think they're being treated with contempt by the big clubs (and the not so big)?
Can't believe that a team like Brighton, who will win nothing this season, have put out an academy team to inevitably lose to Villa. With Tottenham losing to Colchester and Bournemouth losing at Burton as well as Man U scraping past Rochdale surely these contests are now meaningless? The days when a lower level team would perform miracles to beat a full strength top level side is now a thing of the past.
The BBC will no doubt roll out their "magic of the FA Cup" when that gets underway but if you look at their webpage now the Leagues One and Two have been relegated to a separate page listed after the Women's league!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 26, 2019 4:06:20 GMT
Agreed, I do not understand teams who have no chance of winning premier league putting out reserve teams in the cups, also I see no merit in league 1/2 teams beating premier reserve /youth teams, good luck to them but its not exactly on a par with us beating Busby/babes 4-0 or Hereford /Newcastle and the like is it?
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Post by z1zou on Sept 26, 2019 4:22:53 GMT
The prem clubs treat the carabao just like we treat the EFL Cup, they only take it seriously when they're within a sniff of Wembley. It's always been the same. Should it be that way though.. No. If I was a middle tier prem club like the ones you highlighted, I'd expect the cups to be taken seriously, it's a calculated risk that some get horribly wrong, ala Bournemouth and West ham last night
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Post by Qatar Gas on Sept 26, 2019 4:27:37 GMT
Whats more annoying is that we are then told to play so many first team players in the FL trophy. Ironically, if the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool etc get lucky draws against some lower league clubs, some of their academy players get the same game time against full strength lower league sides as opposed to playing them in the FL trophy where even then the league sides try their best to push the selection rules to the limit.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Sept 26, 2019 6:26:43 GMT
The removal of extra time certainly helps the EFL Clubs cause. Especially if the premier side play only 1/3 of the first XI.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Sept 26, 2019 7:11:25 GMT
The financial gain of staying in the premier league far outweighs a league cup win. There’s your answer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 7:17:42 GMT
It's a really interesting topic and massively entwined with the ludicrous amount of money at the top level and its uneven distribution.
The golden carrott of obtaining/retaining Premier League football seemingly nullifies the importance of every other competition and makes it an unwanted distraction.
That's a view that appears to be shared lower down the ladder too. Mike Flynn, Newport boss, quoted before their first round tie at Gillingham:
"I’m not taking it seriously. We’re going down on the day.
“There’s no competition money in there and I’ve got to concentrate on what’s important.
“I’ll always try to win, but it’s not something that I’m going to get het up over.”
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 26, 2019 7:31:49 GMT
France have done away with their league cup this season and quite frankly I'd love it if we followed suit in this country. It's a pointless competition, adds extra games to the schedule and as far as trying to help the elite clubs produce better national talent and progress in the European competitions, it makes no difference.
But, FA has to pay for Wembley so...
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Post by peterparker on Sept 26, 2019 7:34:42 GMT
For me, the solution is simple Scrap the EFL Trophy and make the League cup for the 72 EFL teams
The European place can go to the Prem position which it does most of the time anyway
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 26, 2019 7:51:29 GMT
For me, the solution is simple Scrap the EFL Trophy and make the League cup for the 72 EFL teams The European place can go to the Prem position which it does most of the time anywayNa keep it and let us little clubs have a go in europe
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 26, 2019 7:55:07 GMT
For me, the solution is simple Scrap the EFL Trophy and make the League cup for the 72 EFL teams The European place can go to the Prem position which it does most of the time anyway Surely the only interest we've got in the EFL cup is the hope that we draw a top 6 Premiership side, if you take that away there's little point in Rovers taking part in the cup?
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Post by peterparker on Sept 26, 2019 8:09:12 GMT
For me, the solution is simple Scrap the EFL Trophy and make the League cup for the 72 EFL teams The European place can go to the Prem position which it does most of the time anyway Surely the only interest we've got in the EFL cup is the hope that we draw a top 6 Premiership side, if you take that away there's little point in Rovers taking part in the cup? maybe, but surely something has to change.
my 'solution' is just merging/rearranging the EFL trophy and EFL Cup.
Give it a new name and it gives the FL clubs a chance to win something like the EFL trophy does/used to before it was bastardised
The bottom half Prem teams don't wan the hassle as they don't want to lose The Prem money. Some Championship clubs might play weakened teams in pursuit of the pot of gold, but they might see it as a chance to win a competition.
Hell why not be radical and say the winner gets a garaunteed automatic play-off spot as well or something
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Post by glengas on Sept 26, 2019 8:43:12 GMT
I still remember when FA Cup day was a major occasion and the television coverage was a major thing. Winning that trophy was a huge thing and probably equal to winning the title. Nowadays there is so much live football coverage that it’s just another match. If you win it you probably earn a fraction of the money of staying in the Premiership and top managers are judged on whether they qualify for Champions League football. All you hear is will this team or that team finish in the top 4, not will they win a trophy. The magic of the FA CUp is still alive at the lower levels where teams can draw a big club.,but at the very top level it is a sorry second to the Premiership, although the media would have you believe otherwise.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 26, 2019 8:50:28 GMT
What with the EFL Trophy becoming a nonesense - after some of the crazy results in the League Cup last night and tonight does anyone think they're being treated with contempt by the big clubs (and the not so big)? Can't believe that a team like Brighton, who will win nothing this season, have put out an academy team to inevitably lose to Villa. With Tottenham losing to Colchester and Bournemouth losing at Burton as well as Man U scraping past Rochdale surely these contests are now meaningless? The days when a lower level team would perform miracles to beat a full strength top level side is now a thing of the past. The BBC will no doubt roll out their "magic of the FA Cup" when that gets underway but if you look at their webpage now the Leagues One and Two have been relegated to a separate page listed after the Women's league! Agree about "the magic of the fa cup", that makes me cringe now when it is said. There is no magic of the fa cup except for your small teams who get to the 4th or 5th round. Most big teams couldn't give a f**k. League cup has always been treated with little respect from a lot of teams though, just filtering it's way down to lesser and lesser teams who don't care.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 26, 2019 8:51:00 GMT
Surely the only interest we've got in the EFL cup is the hope that we draw a top 6 Premiership side, if you take that away there's little point in Rovers taking part in the cup? maybe, but surely something has to change.
my 'solution' is just merging/rearranging the EFL trophy and EFL Cup.
Give it a new name and it gives the FL clubs a chance to win something like the EFL trophy does/used to before it was bastardised
The bottom half Prem teams don't wan the hassle as they don't want to lose The Prem money. Some Championship clubs might play weakened teams in pursuit of the pot of gold, but they might see it as a chance to win a competition.
Hell why not be radical and say the winner gets a garaunteed automatic play-off spot as well or something
I like your thinking. Lower league teams are all desperate for cash. Winner gets £1,000,000 and a place in the playoffs of their division. Come to think of it that would be a pretty good reboot of the English Football League Trophy as it is, as long as you could boot out the under 21 clubs first. It could be called ‘The Golden Ticket’
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Post by darkbluegas on Sept 26, 2019 8:56:30 GMT
For me, the solution is simple Scrap the EFL Trophy and make the League cup for the 72 EFL teams The European place can go to the Prem position which it does most of the time anyway If there was any intention of redistribution of wealth in the English game the EFL Cup would only be open to the 72 AND the winner would get the European place. This would establish a principle similar to the Euro Nations League giving smaller nations a back door entry into the European Championships. How likely? Not very. I believe we're in the last throes of the scrabble to get into what will be a completely dominant top two leagues that will cut adrift the remaining 52. The premier league could do it via legislation and the championship could create a product that it sells separately for their very own tv deal. The lower league teams now have so little say in the matter due to their lack of financial clout its a case of finding the last space in the lifeboat. Thats why I believe these so say boycotts are such nonsense, no one at the EFL or FA give a stuff. Just look at the inequitable treatement of Bury and Bolton. Whilst fans think their boycott will have some affect they continue to shovel money into the mouth of the monster that is Sky TV. Feeding the inequality that exists in English Football. How long it takes is a matter of conjecture but the lifeboats are getting full up pretty quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 9:22:37 GMT
maybe, but surely something has to change.
my 'solution' is just merging/rearranging the EFL trophy and EFL Cup.
Give it a new name and it gives the FL clubs a chance to win something like the EFL trophy does/used to before it was bastardised
The bottom half Prem teams don't wan the hassle as they don't want to lose The Prem money. Some Championship clubs might play weakened teams in pursuit of the pot of gold, but they might see it as a chance to win a competition.
Hell why not be radical and say the winner gets a garaunteed automatic play-off spot as well or something
I like your thinking. Lower league teams are all desperate for cash. Winner gets £1,000,000 and a place in the playoffs of their division. Come to think of it that would be a pretty good reboot of the English Football League Trophy as it is, as long as you could boot out the under 21 clubs first. It could be called ‘The Golden Ticket’ What like Willy Wonka?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 9:24:19 GMT
For me, the solution is simple Scrap the EFL Trophy and make the League cup for the 72 EFL teams The European place can go to the Prem position which it does most of the time anyway I would keep the League Cup but without the Premier league teams. We might actually get to play City again.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 26, 2019 9:26:12 GMT
maybe, but surely something has to change.
my 'solution' is just merging/rearranging the EFL trophy and EFL Cup.
Give it a new name and it gives the FL clubs a chance to win something like the EFL trophy does/used to before it was bastardised
The bottom half Prem teams don't wan the hassle as they don't want to lose The Prem money. Some Championship clubs might play weakened teams in pursuit of the pot of gold, but they might see it as a chance to win a competition.
Hell why not be radical and say the winner gets a garaunteed automatic play-off spot as well or something
I like your thinking. Lower league teams are all desperate for cash. Winner gets £1,000,000 and a place in the playoffs of their division. Come to think of it that would be a pretty good reboot of the English Football League Trophy as it is, as long as you could boot out the under 21 clubs first. It could be called ‘The Golden Ticket’ They either scrap it and just leave the FA Cup or change it because they are dying a death.
Garaunteeing a play-off place in the format as well as the prize of winning something would hopefully focus some of those Championship Teams who would see it as a legit shot to get in The Prem and not some distraction
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 9:37:54 GMT
Are we now the only major footballing country to have two domestic cup competitions? Time to get rid of it completely, nobody takes it seriously, even Oxford made five changes to beat West Ham who made nine changes.
The EFL Trophy should revert back to how it used to be. In order to assist the national team I’d reduce the Premier League to 18 clubs allowing league one and two to have an extra side to provide two extra matches and a bit of extra match day revenue. The premier league will find it easier to accommodate their winter break or finish the season earlier ahead of the World Cup or Euros. The premier league should reinstate a competitive midweek reserve league where experienced pros can be mixed with under 21’s allowing some meaningful development as opposed to the youth team matches they have at the moment which does nothing to prepare them for real football.
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