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Post by peterparker on Sept 26, 2019 9:45:10 GMT
Are we now the only major footballing country to have two domestic cup competitions? Time to get rid of it completely, nobody takes it seriously, even Oxford made five changes to beat West Ham who made nine changes. The EFL Trophy should revert back to how it used to be. In order to assist the national team I’d reduce the Premier League to 18 clubs allowing league one and two to have an extra side to provide two extra matches and a bit of extra match day revenue. The premier league will find it easier to accommodate their winter break or finish the season earlier ahead of the World Cup or Euros. The premier league should reinstate a competitive midweek reserve league where experienced pros can be mixed with under 21’s allowing some meaningful development as opposed to the youth team matches they have at the moment which does nothing to prepare them for real football. The Premier League already have a reserve league of sorts. It's called Premier League 2, for their under 23's and they are allowed 3 or 4 over aged players
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 9:56:38 GMT
Are we now the only major footballing country to have two domestic cup competitions? Time to get rid of it completely, nobody takes it seriously, even Oxford made five changes to beat West Ham who made nine changes. The EFL Trophy should revert back to how it used to be. In order to assist the national team I’d reduce the Premier League to 18 clubs allowing league one and two to have an extra side to provide two extra matches and a bit of extra match day revenue. The premier league will find it easier to accommodate their winter break or finish the season earlier ahead of the World Cup or Euros. The premier league should reinstate a competitive midweek reserve league where experienced pros can be mixed with under 21’s allowing some meaningful development as opposed to the youth team matches they have at the moment which does nothing to prepare them for real football. The Premier League already have a reserve league of sorts. It's called Premier League 2, for their under 23's and they are allowed 3 or 4 over aged players Do many older players take part unless coming back from injury? I think it should be more a B team than an Under 21 league so a step up from youth football - perhaps defined rules on the make up of the side, for example must have at least 4/5 senior players? The current set up of development football doesn’t prepare players for top flight football meaning they have to step up to a lower league via a loan before being ready for premier action.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 26, 2019 9:57:37 GMT
Great, we vote to scrap the EFL Cup and so lose another chance of a decent cup draw, which is probably around a 50% chance each season, with just a 10% chance (1 year in 10?) in the FA Cup.
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Post by hardingegas on Sept 26, 2019 10:36:46 GMT
I would agree with the posters who suggest a League Cup just for the 72 EFL teams. Time to ditch the new version of the despised EFL trophy. We must be the only league in Europe running three cup competitions let alone two! Obviously keep the FA Cup with the winners guaranteed Europa Cup entry as at present.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 26, 2019 10:51:24 GMT
Agreed, I do not understand teams who have no chance of winning premier league putting out reserve teams in the cups, also I see no merit in league 1/2 teams beating premier reserve /youth teams, good luck to them but its not exactly on a par with us beating Busby/babes 4-0 or Hereford /Newcastle and the like is it? I was surprised when I saw the team Bournemouth put out last night. 10 changes from last time, FB debut, a player playing a game after a long lay off and others who hadn’t played much. There were lots who’ve played but I know lots of fans were hoping for a cup run. With the right draw, a bit of luck they could have got to Wembley. They’re not going to be in the top 6, like others who’ve made a good start, but they could get to Wembley. When Eddie H talks about it he will say something along the lines of he put out a team who should win. Tbf he probably did but this has happened on numerous occasions since being in the PL. I guess it’s just one of the many changes we’ve witnessed in how football has gone since the 50s and 60s. The love of money has taken over and any PL team could well win more by doing well in the PL rather than the FA or League cup. Football is a business now and not about glory. UTG!
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 26, 2019 11:01:59 GMT
I would agree with the posters who suggest a League Cup just for the 72 EFL teams. Time to ditch the new version of the despised EFL trophy. We must be the only league in Europe running three cup competitions let alone two! Obviously keep the FA Cup with the winners guaranteed Europa Cup entry as at present. There is talk of ditching the Europa league place for the FA cup winner which would give prem teams even less reason to play a full team. Would like to see the EFL trophy returned to what it was without the B teams. I wouldn't be against scrapping the League Cup as the FA cup becomes the big one for teams like us hoping to get a big draw.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 26, 2019 11:16:31 GMT
What with the EFL Trophy becoming a nonesense - after some of the crazy results in the League Cup last night and tonight does anyone think they're being treated with contempt by the big clubs (and the not so big)? Can't believe that a team like Brighton, who will win nothing this season, have put out an academy team to inevitably lose to Villa.With Tottenham losing to Colchester and Bournemouth losing at Burton as well as Man U scraping past Rochdale surely these contests are now meaningless? The days when a lower level team would perform miracles to beat a full strength top level side is now a thing of the past. The BBC will no doubt roll out their "magic of the FA Cup" when that gets underway but if you look at their webpage now the Leagues One and Two have been relegated to a separate page listed after the Women's league!
Is that the same Brighton that beat us at our place?
I wouldn't worry about it, if they want to make it easier for lower league sides to beat them then so be it.
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Post by stuartcampbell on Sept 26, 2019 11:36:43 GMT
I'm still shocked personally that Oxford beat West Ham 4-0 and West Ham put out a good side
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 26, 2019 12:06:24 GMT
All about prize money for end of season positions in Premier League and entry into Europe. Those clubs see that as more financially attractive than the FA Cup or League Cup, which they use instead to give matches the second string/development players...until the semis onwards.
Rules need changing to make the big clubs play their star players.
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Post by lympstonegas on Sept 26, 2019 12:10:25 GMT
There was still some really high attendances over the last 2 days with MK dons setting a new record so regardless of teams put out the fan base is still attending so must be interested
Read this on Facebook not checked if exactly true though Things you probably won't read about the Caribooo Cup today... record crowd at MK Dons (28,000), Man U 56,000, Arsenal 53,000, Chelsea 39,000, Preston 22000, Pompey 18,700, Colchester full house
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Post by rambo on Sept 26, 2019 12:16:40 GMT
Whilst I understand where people are coming from and the weakened sides make a mockery of the competition to an extent, I am shocked at the number of people who would see it scrapped or reduced to the EFL 72.
Whilst I dream of playing the big guns week in week out and visiting the best stadiums in the country, realistically that won't happen anytime soon or perhaps in my lifetime.
The Chelsea game in 2016 was one of my favourite away days and certainly the most exciting fixture we've taken part in since promotion back to league 1. Visiting Stamford Bridge, singing outside the pub pre-game and being marched down to the ground with thousands of gasheads in full voice.
The team they put out: Begovic, Aina, Ivanovic, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Fabregas, Matic, Moses, Loftus-Cheek, Pedro, Batshuayi and subs Terry, Oscar and Hazard.
We went toe to toe and almost nicked a draw.
People seriously telling me that losing these occasions would be a good thing? You've got to get through 2 rounds before you even get a sniff at these guys in the FA Cup.
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Post by bristolsfinestever on Sept 26, 2019 12:37:19 GMT
The financial gain of staying in the premier league far outweighs a league cup win. There’s your answer. Exactly this ... doesn't make it right, but this is the reality of football now.
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Post by pepsi on Sept 26, 2019 12:50:17 GMT
Whilst I understand where people are coming from and the weakened sides make a mockery of the competition to an extent, I am shocked at the number of people who would see it scrapped or reduced to the EFL 72. Whilst I dream of playing the big guns week in week out and visiting the best stadiums in the country, realistically that won't happen anytime soon or perhaps in my lifetime. The Chelsea game in 2016 was one of my favourite away days and certainly the most exciting fixture we've taken part in since promotion back to league 1. Visiting Stamford Bridge, singing outside the pub pre-game and being marched down to the ground with thousands of gasheads in full voice. The team they put out: Begovic, Aina, Ivanovic, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Fabregas, Matic, Moses, Loftus-Cheek, Pedro, Batshuayi and subs Terry, Oscar and Hazard. We went toe to toe and almost nicked a draw. People seriously telling me that losing these occasions would be a good thing? You've got to get through 2 rounds before you even get a sniff at these guys in the FA Cup. [ Im with you 100%
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Post by clockendgas on Sept 26, 2019 13:00:32 GMT
There was still some really high attendances over the last 2 days with MK dons setting a new record so regardless of teams put out the fan base is still attending so must be interested Read this on Facebook not checked if exactly true though Things you probably won't read about the Caribooo Cup today... record crowd at MK Dons (28,000), Man U 56,000, Arsenal 53,000, Chelsea 39,000, Preston 22000, Pompey 18,700, Colchester full house Arsenal was a tenner for adults so a good night to take kids or for those who dont often want to fork out 30 to 50 quid a time, guessing away support was good at ashburton, ot, and pompey, plus big night for colchester, i like the league cup, love the fa cup and also enjoyed the jpt etc in its old format, oh for a decent cup run like 2007.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 14:36:43 GMT
Those big figures are misleading at the prem clubs as many supporters buy the tickets for the loyalty points but don't go to the match.
Loads of empty seats at Stamford Bridge last night
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 26, 2019 17:09:48 GMT
Are we now the only major footballing country to have two domestic cup competitions? Time to get rid of it completely, nobody takes it seriously, even Oxford made five changes to beat West Ham who made nine changes. The EFL Trophy should revert back to how it used to be. In order to assist the national team I’d reduce the Premier League to 18 clubs allowing league one and two to have an extra side to provide two extra matches and a bit of extra match day revenue. The premier league will find it easier to accommodate their winter break or finish the season earlier ahead of the World Cup or Euros. The premier league should reinstate a competitive midweek reserve league where experienced pros can be mixed with under 21’s allowing some meaningful development as opposed to the youth team matches they have at the moment which does nothing to prepare them for real football. I cannot see any team in the Premier League voting to reduce the size of the league from 20 to 18 teams. However, I do like the idea of a midweek league, based along the lines of the 1970s, North & South Combination leagues, where for example BRFC reserves would play Tottenham, Arsenal, West Ham reserves, etc... plenty of quality football matches, against a range of skill-full professionals "young and the not so old" who were probably on their way back to the first team after an injury.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 26, 2019 18:11:12 GMT
Are we now the only major footballing country to have two domestic cup competitions? Time to get rid of it completely, nobody takes it seriously, even Oxford made five changes to beat West Ham who made nine changes. The EFL Trophy should revert back to how it used to be. In order to assist the national team I’d reduce the Premier League to 18 clubs allowing league one and two to have an extra side to provide two extra matches and a bit of extra match day revenue. The premier league will find it easier to accommodate their winter break or finish the season earlier ahead of the World Cup or Euros. The premier league should reinstate a competitive midweek reserve league where experienced pros can be mixed with under 21’s allowing some meaningful development as opposed to the youth team matches they have at the moment which does nothing to prepare them for real football. I cannot see any team in the Premier League voting to reduce the size of the league from 20 to 18 teams. However, I do like the idea of a midweek league, based along the lines of the 1970s, North & South Combination leagues, where for example BRFC reserves would play Tottenham, Arsenal, West Ham reserves, etc... plenty of quality football matches, against a range of skill-full professionals "young and the not so old" who were probably on their way back to the first team after an injury. Our Development Squad struggle to beat follow Div 1/2 DS sides what good would they get playing similar teams to Chelsea's team on Tuesday where, with roughly half a tram of first teamers we still laboured to a win. Regardless I doubt we'd get an invite anyway! It'll be interesting to see what happens to likes of Chelsea if FIFA restrict them to a dozen U23 players in a year or so.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 26, 2019 19:20:17 GMT
The financial gain of staying in the premier league far outweighs a league cup win. There’s your answer. And thats why I really couldnt give a f**k about football anymore. I love the gas as thats tribal,its my club and always will be and I want us to do as well as we can, but I HATE EVERYTHING about todays modern era of football.That why there is something alittle romantic about us still being as sh** as we are today ( stadium/training ground wise) as we are not apart of that awlful system. The whole premiership set up is about importing the best players in the world by paying the most money and yhen selling the TV rights to overseas markets.The idea of wanting to finish in the top four over winning a historic English Cup is heartbreaking, as all its history have been ripped away due to tbe creation of the premiership brand. Fa cup final day comes around now and it means nothing for me now a days. The last time football was still football for me was the Fergie vs Wenger era in the early 2000s. You look at all the new stadiums.Most boring,souless concrete bowls. Everything is about money..money..money. If it was me then I would make it only the Top two in the premier entering the Champions league like in the old days.But give the other two spots to the winners of League and FA cups. I also like the idea of the winners of the EFL trophy getting a place in there leagues Playoff spot come May, but of course without the Prem Under 21s in it..! If you did that you would reinvent all levels of the game from top down,by giving more chances to make money for every club, making more meaningful matches and giving each Trophy a reason to enter.
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Post by oldgas on Sept 26, 2019 22:59:03 GMT
France have done away with their league cup this season and quite frankly I'd love it if we followed suit in this country. It's a pointless competition, adds extra games to the schedule and as far as trying to help the elite clubs produce better national talent and progress in the European competitions, it makes no difference. But, FA has to pay for Wembley so... So, the FA has to pay for Wembly. BUT, were discussing the League Cup?
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Post by philbemmygas on Sept 27, 2019 7:02:34 GMT
The financial gain of staying in the premier league far outweighs a league cup win. There’s your answer. And thats why I really couldnt give a f**k about football anymore. I love the gas as thats tribal,its my club and always will be and I want us to do as well as we can, but I HATE EVERYTHING about todays modern era of football.That why there is something alittle romantic about us still being as sh** as we are today ( stadium/training ground wise) as we are not apart of that awlful system. The whole premiership set up is about importing the best players in the world by paying the most money and yhen selling the TV rights to overseas markets.The idea of wanting to finish in the top four over winning a historic English Cup is heartbreaking, as all its history have been ripped away due to tbe creation of the premiership brand. Fa cup final day comes around now and it means nothing for me now a days. The last time football was still football for me was the Fergie vs Wenger era in the early 2000s. You look at all the new stadiums.Most boring,souless concrete bowls. Everything is about money..money..money. If it was me then I would make it only the Top two in the premier entering the Champions league like in the old days.But give the other two spots to the winners of League and FA cups. I also like the idea of the winners of the EFL trophy getting a place in there leagues Playoff spot come May, but of course without the Prem Under 21s in it..! If you did that you would reinvent all levels of the game from top down,by giving more chances to make money for every club, making more meaningful matches and giving each Trophy a reason to enter. The FA Cup died as an attractive proposition when ManUre were allowed to not compete when they played in that mickey mouse "super cup" instead.
Still as relative minnows we would relish a game at one of the big four or five in round three if we got through.
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