General Election 2019 thread

Well you only have to read 4 pages in for that. I can lead a horse to water...

I don’t know but presume them to be relevant otherwise he would not have backed down when challenged? 

Predictably your post was then hijacked to continue the narrative that all leave voters are racists - we don’t like immigrants because they look different, smell different, speak and dress differently apparently. Predictably lazy nonsense.

i don’t imagine anyone believes that all migrants are a drain on the UK. There are thousands, both from the EU and worldwide, who play a vital role in our economy and society generally. The unrestricted immigration from the EU was just one of the relevant factors of the referendum vote. Who in their right mind would object to a highly qualified surgeon for example coming here from Europe and making a valid contribution both in terms of his expertise and ability to contribute through the tax system. That doesn’t mean we should be happy with an open door policy where any Tom, Dick or Harry can come in, many of whom will have a negative impact on the economy if they are unskilled and have families. Why should we not be able to determine who we should allow into the country the same as countries around the world do? What impact does the unchecked number of criminals and organised crime groups have on the country both economically and socially?

Immigration is not a taboo subject, is relevant to our society, did play a part in the referendum vote and warrants genuine discussion and respect of opinions without the silliness spouted by the left to try and shut down any debate and which has probably served to cause more tension and division than any propaganda the far right has put out in recent years.

 

Yes sadly Eric that's where we are at the moment and it's going to get worse. It doesn't fill me with much enthusiasm to post on here because it will just reflect the politicians and be toxic too. Still I will look at reality in the real world and put my cross where I think is best.

That's all we all can do.
On that interview (I was listening) the shadow health secretary made an ass of himself. He claimed that this years cancellations had grown significantly over last year, which turns out not to be true. Justin Webb jumped on him immediately and he accepted his statement was wrong there and then and tried to bluster his way out of it.
If he had said "The level of cancellations are outrageous and causing poor medical outcomes with added stress to the patient" he would have been right.
Jo Swinson was caught making a similar mistake recently. She claimed that the UK economy would shrink by 6% in the event of no deal. There is no such forecast. The forecast is that the UK economy could be upto 6% smaller than its potential if we stay in the EU.

I am not sure if these guys are thick and just dont understand it, or they think we are and will fall for it (sadly a lot do, whatever the allegiance).

That's all we all can do.
On that interview (I was listening) the shadow health secretary made an ass of himself. He claimed that this years cancellations had grown significantly over last year, which turns out not to be true. Justin Webb jumped on him immediately and he accepted his statement was wrong there and then and tried to bluster his way out of it.
If he had said "The level of cancellations are outrageous and causing poor medical outcomes with added stress to the patient" he would have been right.
Jo Swinson was caught making a similar mistake recently. She claimed that the UK economy would shrink by 6% in the event of no deal. There is no such forecast. The forecast is that the UK economy could be upto 6% smaller than its potential if we stay in the EU.

I am not sure if these guys are thick and just dont understand it, or they think we are and will fall for it (sadly a lot do, whatever the allegiance).