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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 13:41:31 GMT
I've no idea about a US trade deal. As far as I'm aware negotiations haven't even started. Johnson has stated that the NHS will not be part of any future deal, and so has Trump. Corbyn is just spreading more Project Fear and telling lies ! So, in your opinion, the EU is where it is and there will be no future changes? You really want to start about telling lies? I will. Shadow Health Secretary Ashworth had to apologise live on air yesterday after being caught lying about the NHS. Doing his media tour shouting about the number of cancelled operations “rocketing” when they had in fact fallen they had fallen in the past year!
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 5, 2019 13:42:32 GMT
You really want to start about telling lies? I will. Shadow Health Secretary Ashworth had to apologise live on air yesterday after being caught lying about the NHS. Doing his media tour shouting about the number of cancelled operations “rocketing” when they had in fact fallen they had fallen in the past year! Who was in charge the year before?
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Post by baggins on Nov 5, 2019 13:44:05 GMT
Thought we were going along quite nicely being part of the EU. Trade was there, finance was there, no border problems, no tariff problems, why leave? Oh yea, immigrants. Yeah this lot. www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbbaThe average UK-based migrant from Europe contributed approximately £2,300 more to UK public finances in 2016/17 than the average UK adult. In comparison, each UK born adult contributed £70 less than the average, and each non-European migrant contributed over £800 less than the average.The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero.Taken together, this means that the migrants who arrived in 2016 will make a total net positive contribution of £26.9 billion to the UK’s public finances over the entirety of their stay. The value of this to the UK’s public finances is equivalent to putting approximately 5p on income tax rates (across all marginal rate bands) in that year. Don't start with your facts malarchy. They don't speak our language, they look different to us, dress different to us and smell different to us. Send them all home.
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Post by baggins on Nov 5, 2019 13:45:30 GMT
You really want to start about telling lies? I will. Shadow Health Secretary Ashworth had to apologise live on air yesterday after being caught lying about the NHS. Doing his media tour shouting about the number of cancelled operations “rocketing” when they had in fact fallen they had fallen in the past year! Says who?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 13:46:09 GMT
Thought we were going along quite nicely being part of the EU. Trade was there, finance was there, no border problems, no tariff problems, why leave? Oh yea, immigrants. Yeah this lot. www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbbaThe average UK-based migrant from Europe contributed approximately £2,300 more to UK public finances in 2016/17 than the average UK adult. In comparison, each UK born adult contributed £70 less than the average, and each non-European migrant contributed over £800 less than the average.The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero.Taken together, this means that the migrants who arrived in 2016 will make a total net positive contribution of £26.9 billion to the UK’s public finances over the entirety of their stay. The value of this to the UK’s public finances is equivalent to putting approximately 5p on income tax rates (across all marginal rate bands) in that year. How does that work? If each UK born adult contributes less than the average, where does the 'average' come from?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 13:47:10 GMT
Your question was not addressed to me but as a Leaver I’m happy to offer an opinion too. I don’t think a second referendum would be a good idea. The initial result should stand and the basic principle, for a variety of different reasons to different people, was that a majority do not like being in the EU and would rather leave than be dragged wherever it takes us. If the general public is asked to vote on the current deal they would be required to digest the massive document and fully understand it. Most couldn’t even be bothered to start reading it let alone fully understand it. The intricacies of our departure is for the politicians to sort out despite most of us now not liking to place our trust in them. If no deal was the best option it would hold no personal fears for me. I have every confidence we would flourish long term. The third option of leaving under a Corbyn Deal is a very scary thought - like his predecessor I wouldn’t even trust him to negotiate a bacon sandwich. Interesting point about people should vote only after reading and, by implication, understanding the terms of the deal. Is voting on a principle without being fully aware of the implications (a la 2016) okay though? It’s up to the ministers and civil servants to make the best of the outcome and limit any “implications”. Nobody could have had full knowledge of any implications as it was all based on biased speculation depending on which side the author was on. I remember reading we’d be falling off a cliff edge the day after the referendum result but that never happened. I maintain that it is unrealistic to expect Joe Public to fully read and understand such a complicated agreement and that voting was principle based and for parliament to take forward.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 13:50:13 GMT
You really want to start about telling lies? Eh? I'm sorry Bags, but I may get things wrong now and again, just as we all do, but I don't think you can throw that at me without backing it up ! We don’t all get things wrong now again - there is someone here who is right 100% of the time!!!
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 5, 2019 13:51:36 GMT
Eh? I'm sorry Bags, but I may get things wrong now and again, just as we all do, but I don't think you can throw that at me without backing it up ! We don’t all get things wrong now again - there is someone here who is right 100% of the time!!! Thank you 😁
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 5, 2019 13:55:04 GMT
Yeah this lot. www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbbaThe average UK-based migrant from Europe contributed approximately £2,300 more to UK public finances in 2016/17 than the average UK adult. In comparison, each UK born adult contributed £70 less than the average, and each non-European migrant contributed over £800 less than the average.The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero.Taken together, this means that the migrants who arrived in 2016 will make a total net positive contribution of £26.9 billion to the UK’s public finances over the entirety of their stay. The value of this to the UK’s public finances is equivalent to putting approximately 5p on income tax rates (across all marginal rate bands) in that year. How does that work? If each UK born adult contributes less than the average, where does the 'average' come from? Full report is on the link
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 13:55:56 GMT
We don’t all get things wrong now again - there is someone here who is right 100% of the time!!! Thank you 😁 No problem👍 (make that two now)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 13:58:01 GMT
I will. Shadow Health Secretary Ashworth had to apologise live on air yesterday after being caught lying about the NHS. Doing his media tour shouting about the number of cancelled operations “rocketing” when they had in fact fallen they had fallen in the past year! Says who? I understand his climbdown was made after being challenged on the BBC Today programme.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 5, 2019 13:59:24 GMT
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Post by baggins on Nov 5, 2019 14:00:08 GMT
I understand his climbdown was made after being challenged on the BBC Today programme. I meant, who provided the facts?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 5, 2019 14:01:24 GMT
I understand his climbdown was made after being challenged on the BBC Today programme. I meant, who provided the facts? here are the facts
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Post by baggins on Nov 5, 2019 14:04:12 GMT
I meant, who provided the facts? here are the facts Oh them. Pfft.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 14:04:36 GMT
How does that work? If each UK born adult contributes less than the average, where does the 'average' come from? Full report is on the link 60 pages and you expect me to read that ! Simple question, if everyone contributes less than the average, where does the average come from?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 5, 2019 14:10:14 GMT
Full report is on the link 60 pages and you expect me to read that ! Simple question, if everyone contributes less than the average, where does the average come from? Well you only have to read 4 pages in for that. I can lead a horse to water...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 14:12:59 GMT
Thought we were going along quite nicely being part of the EU. Trade was there, finance was there, no border problems, no tariff problems, why leave? Oh yea, immigrants. Yeah this lot. www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbbaThe average UK-based migrant from Europe contributed approximately £2,300 more to UK public finances in 2016/17 than the average UK adult. In comparison, each UK born adult contributed £70 less than the average, and each non-European migrant contributed over £800 less than the average.The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero.Taken together, this means that the migrants who arrived in 2016 will make a total net positive contribution of £26.9 billion to the UK’s public finances over the entirety of their stay. The value of this to the UK’s public finances is equivalent to putting approximately 5p on income tax rates (across all marginal rate bands) in that year. Predictably your post was then hijacked to continue the narrative that all leave voters are racists - we don’t like immigrants because they look different, smell different, speak and dress differently apparently. Predictably lazy nonsense. i don’t imagine anyone believes that all migrants are a drain on the UK. There are thousands, both from the EU and worldwide, who play a vital role in our economy and society generally. The unrestricted immigration from the EU was just one of the relevant factors of the referendum vote. Who in their right mind would object to a highly qualified surgeon for example coming here from Europe and making a valid contribution both in terms of his expertise and ability to contribute through the tax system. That doesn’t mean we should be happy with an open door policy where any Tom, Dick or Harry can come in, many of whom will have a negative impact on the economy if they are unskilled and have families. Why should we not be able to determine who we should allow into the country the same as countries around the world do? What impact does the unchecked number of criminals and organised crime groups have on the country both economically and socially? Immigration is not a taboo subject, is relevant to our society, did play a part in the referendum vote and warrants genuine discussion and respect of opinions without the silliness spouted by the left to try and shut down any debate and which has probably served to cause more tension and division than any propaganda the far right has put out in recent years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 14:16:08 GMT
I understand his climbdown was made after being challenged on the BBC Today programme. I meant, who provided the facts? I don’t know but presume them to be relevant otherwise he would not have backed down when challenged?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 14:18:04 GMT
60 pages and you expect me to read that ! Simple question, if everyone contributes less than the average, where does the average come from? Well you only have to read 4 pages in for that. I can lead a horse to water... They wont drink if it's not what they agree with, whether it be true or not
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