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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 10:05:13 GMT
Have you ever been involved in a bombing scenario either as a civilian or as a member of the security services? I won't go into any details on here but you really are talking out the back of your arse if you are trying to compare a fire in a tower block to an IED situation involving civilians. Have you ever looked at the details of the Omagh bombing, where civilians were cleared from the area where the warnings had said the bomb was, only to find that they were directed unintentionally towards the actual bomb? I work in a tallish building, on the 14th floor. Company policy is that in the event of a fire (or alarm), only the floor affected is cleared. The rest of the people in the building should stay where they are. If I ever hear the alarm go off on another floor, the first thing I do is to leave the building. With only two stairways to get down, I don't take any chances. The real issue is of course Rees-Mogg, casually suggesting that those poor people trapped in a fire should have ignored the Fire Brigade's advice / command, something you suggested you would do. To your question. As a civilian, yes, once. 1999, London Bridge, at Borough Market. As Director I took operational responsibility for the opening of a new public facility (privately owned by us shareholders, to be clear). Grand opening Saturday morning. 0800 we get a telephone warning of a bomb placed in the building. The building was over 2.5 acres within Victorian ground level archways. 2,500 people booked, £30 million vested. Cash has been spent, we had 30 days working capital only left in the bank. What would you do. Running doesnt count. If it's a bomb, you follow the orders of the security forces. End of. Life is more important than money. You cannot compare a bomb threat with an actual fire in a tower block, so stop trying to do so. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 10:12:38 GMT
"The real issue is of course Rees-Mogg, casually suggesting that those poor people trapped in a fire should have ignored the Fire Brigade's advice / command, something you suggested you would do."
I forgot to add, the report published last week suggested the exact same thing. It criticized the 'stay put' policy and said more people would have lived if they had ignored the FB advice.
However, once again, you react to soundbites without looking at the detail. You are typical of the knee-jerk brigade who will shout for JRM to resign. And we wonder why we get politicians acting and saying the things they do? It's because voters like you are swayed by these things.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 6, 2019 10:15:10 GMT
Meanwhile More fake stuff put out by the tories UK PM Johnson's party under fire for doctoring Brexit video clip of... flip.it/KWJENNJames 'Not So' Cleverly trying to defend the video on GMB this morning is hilarious
and then he goes and bottles Sky and Kay Burley this morning
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 10:18:04 GMT
The real issue is of course Rees-Mogg, casually suggesting that those poor people trapped in a fire should have ignored the Fire Brigade's advice / command, something you suggested you would do. To your question. As a civilian, yes, once. 1999, London Bridge, at Borough Market. As Director I took operational responsibility for the opening of a new public facility (privately owned by us shareholders, to be clear). Grand opening Saturday morning. 0800 we get a telephone warning of a bomb placed in the building. The building was over 2.5 acres within Victorian ground level archways. 2,500 people booked, £30 million vested. Cash has been spent, we had 30 days working capital only left in the bank. What would you do. Running doesnt count. If it's a bomb, you follow the orders of the security forces. End of. Life is more important than money. You cannot compare a bomb threat with an actual fire in a tower block, so stop trying to do so. I wasnt, you asked me if it had happened to me. The security forces couldn't get there quickly, they left the decision to me to open or not. I opened. There you go. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 10:19:34 GMT
Meanwhile More fake stuff put out by the tories UK PM Johnson's party under fire for doctoring Brexit video clip of... flip.it/KWJENNJames 'Not So' Cleverly trying to defend the video on GMB this morning is hilarious
and then he goes and bottles Sky and Kay Burley this morning
Nick Robinson tore him up on R4 on this. Do you think they have sub contracted their PR to Trump?? We need to know🤡🤡🤡🤯 |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 6, 2019 10:27:14 GMT
Got to say, the press and media got a lot of criticism over the past few years with the whole BREXIT stuff, but they seem to be upping their game with trying to hold people to account in the election campaign so far at least
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 6, 2019 10:27:49 GMT
Meanwhile More fake stuff put out by the tories UK PM Johnson's party under fire for doctoring Brexit video clip of... flip.it/KWJENNJames 'Not So' Cleverly trying to defend the video on GMB this morning is hilarious
and then he goes and bottles Sky and Kay Burley this morning
Apparantly double booked and chose Julia Hartley Brewer on Talk Radio. Kay Burley said he was only a few feet away, do they share the same studios? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 10:29:30 GMT
If it's a bomb, you follow the orders of the security forces. End of. Life is more important than money. You cannot compare a bomb threat with an actual fire in a tower block, so stop trying to do so. I wasnt, you asked me if it had happened to me. The security forces couldn't get there quickly, they left the decision to me to open or not. I opened. There you go. This huge event, with so many people, so much money at stake, so you must have had your own security? Either it wasn't a credible threat, or you're talking bollux......In fact, I'm laughing at the "left the decision to me to open or not"  One of your numpties probably overheard someone telling a Basil Brush joke, which ended in "boom boom" ! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 10:30:24 GMT
Meanwhile More fake stuff put out by the tories UK PM Johnson's party under fire for doctoring Brexit video clip of... flip.it/KWJENNJames 'Not So' Cleverly trying to defend the video on GMB this morning is hilarious
and then he goes and bottles Sky and Kay Burley this morning
I don't see why they even felt the need to edit the video. It was a car crash interview for Starmer anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 10:31:54 GMT
James 'Not So' Cleverly trying to defend the video on GMB this morning is hilarious
and then he goes and bottles Sky and Kay Burley this morning
Apparantly double booked and chose Julia Hartley Brewer on Talk Radio. Kay Burley said he was only a few feet away, do they share the same studios? I wouldn't share Julia Hartley-Brewer with any of you lot ! |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 6, 2019 10:34:14 GMT
James 'Not So' Cleverly trying to defend the video on GMB this morning is hilarious
and then he goes and bottles Sky and Kay Burley this morning
Apparantly double booked and chose Julia Hartley Brewer on Talk Radio. Kay Burley said he was only a few feet away, do they share the same studios? yeah, turns out another lie by The Conservatives
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:03:48 GMT
I think that was part of my criticism for her husband in my previous post. My uncle who is a leaver but at least talks a good game about it told me about his ‘insider dealing’ - he’s usually better informed than that but obviously got this info from social media. After listening to that podcast about the social media exploitation of the American election by Russia it’s scary to think how easy it is to embed untruths in the public consciousness. Very precisely. Which brings into focus the role of Johnson in suppressing the select committee's report on Russia's role in the EU Referendum. Democracy?? For the few it seems. The thing is any other politician I’d be surprised but literally nothing does with Johnson- we all know that he is one of the sketchiest politicians we have seen in a long old while and it’s almost to the point of Stockholm syndrome. The electorate are either so entrenched in their Tory politics that they think he is a loveable rogue no matter what he does or so used to his capering that it’s met with a shrug. That goes for pretty much most other politicians at the moment too, certainly the main party leaders. People are so entrenched in their allegiances simply because of Brexit that the likes of Corbyn, Swinson and Johnson can lie, steal, probably even burgle your house and you won’t vote for someone else because voting for anyone else means a radical shift in your Brexit outcome. What a time to be a politician- you’ve got your slice of the electorate in the palm of your hand and there is nothing you can do to make yourself unelectable in their eyes. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:07:16 GMT
"The real issue is of course Rees-Mogg, casually suggesting that those poor people trapped in a fire should have ignored the Fire Brigade's advice / command, something you suggested you would do." I forgot to add, the report published last week suggested the exact same thing. It criticized the 'stay put' policy and said more people would have lived if they had ignored the FB advice.However, once again, you react to soundbites without looking at the detail. You are typical of the knee-jerk brigade who will shout for JRM to resign. And we wonder why we get politicians acting and saying the things they do? It's because voters like you are swayed by these things. An incorrect interpretation. My understanding is that the Stay Put Policy was wrong, as it turns out with hindsight. So the FB need to update their policy. But at the time, in the frenetic and horrific atmosphere, surely even you can understand why those poor people listened to what they perceived to be the "professional" advice?. Surely. As you yourself would listen to the advice of security services. Of course, what really comes into question was why was that building clad with a highly flammable material? Why did the Tory led local authority sub contract out the maintenance of that building to a committee with limited or no experience? Why was the cladding not vetted? Could the answer lie in the massive cuts to local government enacted under austerity measures? The sort of measures supported with such rapturous applause by the likes of Rees-Mogg? I can hear it now "Jacob, me old mucker, do you concede that the cuts to local government has damaged their ability to provide necessary services?" "Yes, but it was necessary to cut our borrowing requirement, a legacy of the previous Government" "But Jacob, me old mate, you nearly doubled the national debt in 8 years" "Yes, but that's not our fault, it was the EU" "So Jacob, you utter plank, are you saying that Hammersmith & Chelsea, your own party run authority, does not have the resources to manage its social housing, allowed a flammable material to used as cladding and subsequently killed 74 people?" "Look, we had to at least try and get the debt down, it's not our fault, those people should have just run" Of course another Tory candidate stated that poor people should be put down. There you have it, the right wing in all its Dam glory |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:09:34 GMT
Apparantly double booked and chose Julia Hartley Brewer on Talk Radio. Kay Burley said he was only a few feet away, do they share the same studios? yeah, turns out another lie by The Conservatives
He’s another shocker, that Cleverly, in any other time he would stand out as a massive chancer but when Boris is your party figurehead you can seem almost normal by comparison. As I said above though, what will the antics of Rees-Mogg yesterday, Cleverly today and no doubt some other clown tomorrow do to affect the votes? Absolutely nothing. Tories will continue to vote for these people because there is no alternative, apart from the Brexit party and I get the sense that most swivel eyed loons that support the current government think they aren’t swivel eyed and loony enough to vote for the Brexit party. It’s as you were, basically. See what clownery tomorrow brings. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:09:58 GMT
Apparantly double booked and chose Julia Hartley Brewer on Talk Radio. Kay Burley said he was only a few feet away, do they share the same studios? yeah, turns out another lie by The Conservatives
Apparently, Cleverly wasn't even booked to be on with Kay Burley.   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:14:39 GMT
More media lies, this time from Sky. Burley was attempting to get him on her show at the last minute, but he was already booked.
I keep saying it. Don't fall for the soundbites. Look at the details first before jumping to conclusions.
Sky/Burley grandstand, show an empty chair, and people. as on this very forum, resort to 'more Tory lies'...........Sky should be issuing an apology.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:18:22 GMT
I wasnt, you asked me if it had happened to me. The security forces couldn't get there quickly, they left the decision to me to open or not. I opened. There you go. This huge event, with so many people, so much money at stake, so you must have had your own security? Either it wasn't a credible threat, or you're talking bollux......In fact, I'm laughing at the "left the decision to me to open or not" One of your numpties probably overheard someone telling a Basil Brush joke, which ended in "boom boom" ! Laugh as much as you like, that's what actually happened. What was actually funny, was about two months later Tony Blair decided to pay us a PR visit. Security Service everywhere and we were given very strict instructions. As one of the meet and greet group I was stood outside at street level when I noticed a dodgy looking bloke on a motorbike, parked in the street about 50 yards away. I pointed this out to the bloke in charged of the security service for this event and he said, "Dont worry about him, he is part of the armed support. But you stand here in front of me. I asked why and he said "well, if the bullets start flying around your first" My team were watering themselves at the back. I had to laugh. |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 6, 2019 11:43:17 GMT
yeah, turns out another lie by The Conservatives
Apparently, Cleverly wasn't even booked to be on with Kay Burley. So he wasnt bookd. Fair enough. But why lie he was doing another interview at the time when he wasnt. He obviously agreed to it last minute and then backed out last minute Almost like he isnt very good at all this At least he made himself look like a tit on GMB, R4 and no doubt Brewer, but that probably went down well on that sh** show |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:46:48 GMT
Apparently, Cleverly wasn't even booked to be on with Kay Burley. So he wasnt bookd. Fair enough. But why lie he was doing another interview at the time when he wasnt. Almost like he isnt very good at all this He was being interviewed on the Julia Hartley-Brewer radio show ! |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 6, 2019 11:54:54 GMT
So he wasnt bookd. Fair enough. But why lie he was doing another interview at the time when he wasnt. Almost like he isnt very good at all this He was being interviewed on the Julia Hartley-Brewer radio show !
I hope he demands an apology then
If Sky have f**ked him, it is out of order, but seems agreed and then backed out
Cleverly has made himself looked bad enough in the interviews he has done. Trying to be too 'clever' for his own good on GMB and Radio 4
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One of your numpties probably overheard someone telling a Basil Brush joke, which ended in "boom boom" !