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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 12:52:19 GMT
Nor mine. There is not one positive factor that anyone can suggest for supporting the Tories based upon their performance in Government since 2010. Well they've reduced the National debt...oh hang on. And they've increased the number of nurses in hospi...oh wait. And the number of Police on the streets is fantas...dammit. The Tories, looking after themselves and screwing you since Thatcher. All true, except the last bit. But there is an ideological argument to had, from which feeds down to policy and actual outcomes. The thing is, Thatcher and Reagan led the fight against central (state) industrial / commercial control, mainly by adopting the thinking of Friedrich Hayek, which became their bible. Blair and Brown took that away from the Tories, which is why their media friends demonize them so much. May was never in this mindset which is why so many Tories despise her. Johnson and his ERG cabal are the current proponents. And idolised. So the debate should be around the outcomes, which informs future policy..surely. Late edit The exodus of centrist Tory MPs', is witness to the "takeover" by this political ideology. They will not tolerate argument, as extremist as you can get in a democracy, matched only by the maniacal control and command instincts of an element in the labour party. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 31, 2019 12:53:53 GMT
I see the Lib Dem candidate in Dominic Grieve's constituency is standing down. I suspect it may happen elsewhere too, if only in few numbers. Telegraph suggesting Brexit Party may be selective.
And voter registration is increasing, mainly by the under 25s. I wonder who they are most likeky to vote for.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 31, 2019 12:56:43 GMT
Nor mine. There is not one positive factor that anyone can suggest for supporting the Tories based upon their performance in Government since 2010. Well they've reduced the National debt...oh hang on. And they've increased the number of nurses in hospi...oh wait. And the number of Police on the streets is fantas...dammit. The Tories, looking after themselves and screwing you since Thatcher. Party of sound finances....no. Party of law and order....no. Party of defence.....no. Party of Brexit....? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 31, 2019 13:00:38 GMT
Looks like the loonies are in their usual state of disarray. "Prospective election candidates for the Brexit Party received an email yesterday telling them: "Message from HQ...important. Please go dark on social media. Do not respond to any questions about where we are standing, what the strategy or plan is from now." "Things will be made clear very soon." General election 2019: Brexit Party may stand "only 20" candidates as splits emerge under Nigel Farage flip.it/SmauRnWonder how many pages their manifesto will be And therin lies the problem many had foreseen at the time of the Euro elections. All their candidates stood on a no deal outcome for "democratic" reasons but they came from a wide spectrum of views when it came to other policies. If NF can hold them together then I suspect most will be "policies of conscience". |
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Post by baggins on Oct 31, 2019 13:00:50 GMT
Well they've reduced the National debt...oh hang on. And they've increased the number of nurses in hospi...oh wait. And the number of Police on the streets is fantas...dammit. The Tories, looking after themselves and screwing you since Thatcher. Party of sound finances....no. Party of law and order....no. Party of defence.....no. Party of Brexit....? I wouldn't even trust them to have a party. |
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Post by althepirate on Oct 31, 2019 13:04:35 GMT
There is hope on the horizon Oldie. Guy Fawkes is good to go next Tuesday. Just make sure Johnson and Corbyn are in the building Let's not forget the utter clown Swinson from the Undemocratic party. |
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Post by peterparker on Oct 31, 2019 13:10:51 GMT
Just make sure Johnson and Corbyn are in the building Let's not forget the utter clown Swinson from the Undemocratic party. How are they undemocratic? They have been anti Brexit from day one, stood on that platform and been elected on it? Nothing legally binding about the referendum |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 13:14:18 GMT
Let's not forget the utter clown Swinson from the Undemocratic party. How are they undemocratic? They have been anti Brexit from day one, stood on that platform and been elected on it? Nothing legally binding about the referendum Yes Al, explain. |
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Post by althepirate on Oct 31, 2019 14:14:29 GMT
Let's not forget the utter clown Swinson from the Undemocratic party. How are they undemocratic? They have been anti Brexit from day one, stood on that platform and been elected on it? Nothing legally binding about the referendum Absolutely it's all about them not the people, Corbyn is the same. Ideologies rule not democracy. Very serious if that is allowed to happen. Tories for me first time ever. The only major party trying desperatly to do what the people want. |
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Post by peterparker on Oct 31, 2019 14:40:06 GMT
How are they undemocratic? They have been anti Brexit from day one, stood on that platform and been elected on it? Nothing legally binding about the referendum Absolutely it's all about them not the people, Corbyn is the same. Ideologies rule not democracy. Very serious if that is allowed to happen. Tories for me first time ever. The only major party trying desperatly to do what the people want. Just because there was a referendum (again not legal binding otherwise it would have been illegal anyway) doesn't mean parties or individuals can no longer hold opposite views does it
If people vote Lib Dem you know what you are getting. if you don't like it you can democratically not vote for them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 14:47:32 GMT
Absolutely it's all about them not the people, Corbyn is the same. Ideologies rule not democracy. Very serious if that is allowed to happen. Tories for me first time ever. The only major party trying desperatly to do what the people want. Just because there was a referendum (again not legal binding otherwise it would have been illegal anyway) doesn't mean parties or individuals can no longer hold opposite views does it
If people vote Lib Dem you know what you are getting. if you don't like it you can democratically not vote for them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 16:43:02 GMT
Well, looking at the dismal choices that you posted, I`d say that he was the least worst option. Doubtless, others see it differently. That`s the way of things. He’s got my vote |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 31, 2019 17:59:56 GMT
Well, looking at the dismal choices that you posted, I`d say that he was the least worst option. Doubtless, others see it differently. That`s the way of things. He’s got my vote Course he has. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 18:06:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 18:52:27 GMT
Easy choice. I have to work hard for my wages and don’t want my taxes wasted on ridiculous ideologies. Only one party is interested in following through on parliaments promise to uphold the referendum. Therefore only one party to vote for. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 19:05:34 GMT
Easy choice. I have to work hard for my wages and don’t want my taxes wasted on ridiculous ideologies. Only one party is interested in following through on parliaments promise to uphold the referendum. Therefore only one party to vote for. Like the NHS? Or education for your kids? Social Services for the elderly or infirm? AA properly staffed police force? A resolution to the Housing Crisis? Those sort of ideologies?? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 31, 2019 19:09:07 GMT
Easy choice. I have to work hard for my wages and don’t want my taxes wasted on ridiculous ideologies. Only one party is interested in following through on parliaments promise to uphold the referendum. Therefore only one party to vote for. Like the NHS? Or education for your kids? Social Services for the elderly or infirm? AA properly staffed police force? A resolution to the Housing Crisis? Those sort of ideologies?? Exactly. Like I said, the Brits are only happy when everyone is miserable. Why aspire to be better? I didnt have nice things why should anyone else. |
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Post by craggo on Oct 31, 2019 19:14:00 GMT
Always been the Lib Dems for me. Best of a bad bunch tbh. Do not like the ex Cons coming on board one bit. They are the best Party for the average working man. But people think they are wasting a vote and either do not bother or go with Labour. The latter choice being done purely to stop the Cons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 19:18:05 GMT
Easy choice. I have to work hard for my wages and don’t want my taxes wasted on ridiculous ideologies. Only one party is interested in following through on parliaments promise to uphold the referendum. Therefore only one party to vote for. Like the NHS? Or education for your kids? Social Services for the elderly or infirm? AA properly staffed police force? A resolution to the Housing Crisis? Those sort of ideologies?? NHS - That's been done to death on here. Chucking money at it is not the answer. It needs reform. Police - The Tories have already started a recruitment drive for another 20,000 Police Officers. The problem here, as with Nursing, is that soon a Degree is required. For the Police, one of their main recruiting places was the Military. It was common for men and women to leave the military (especially the Royal Military Police) and become Police Officers. This recruitment chain is broken. Social Services for the elderly or infirm - There is the exact same problem in Germany. Nobody seems to have the answer. Education - I haven't been involved with British schools for many years, so I don't feel I can comment on that. I don't know enough about how they work. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 19:33:27 GMT
Like the NHS? Or education for your kids? Social Services for the elderly or infirm? AA properly staffed police force? A resolution to the Housing Crisis? Those sort of ideologies?? NHS - That's been done to death on here. Chucking money at it is not the answer. It needs reform. Police - The Tories have already started a recruitment drive for another 20,000 Police Officers. The problem here, as with Nursing, is that soon a Degree is required. For the Police, one of their main recruiting places was the Military. It was common for men and women to leave the military (especially the Royal Military Police) and become Police Officers. This recruitment chain is broken. Social Services for the elderly or infirm - There is the exact same problem in Germany. Nobody seems to have the answer. Education - I haven't been involved with British schools for many years, so I don't feel I can comment on that. I don't know enough about how they work. NHS - more high tech and costly with every passing day. Needs reforming. Police - doing a good job with no back up from the courts and a whole generation have no respect for others and no respect for law and order. Far longer prison sentences required with less money wasted on home comforts for inmates. Nursing - they’re doing a good job based on my own personal experience. Seem to spend a disproportionate of time on paperwork though according to some on the ward I was on most recently. Social Services - should have been addressed earlier with longer life expectancy. Should also strip disability benefits from the huge number with little wrong with them and instead double the amount to those with very serious disabilities and illnesses. Also stop benefits from being a lifestyle choice and a acting as a carrot for economic migration. Education - facilities are far better than when I went to school in the seventies and early eighties. Would prefer universities not to employ the likes of a Professor Of Slavery. |
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