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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 22:48:38 GMT
So how would you define the current economic position of the country, now the Tories have doubled the debt both in absolute terms and as a % of gdp. Go on. Government spending. It is not something you can turn off and on. Gordon Brown went on a spending splurge. For example, he increased the civil service by something like 800,000 people. This is a long term commitment. A government coming in just cannot sack those people, so they have to inherit the ongoing spending for those people. It's the same with infrastructure projects. Just look at the ongoing costs for PFI for example. The PFI contracts get more expensive every year. The current economic state of the UK is not too bad. Of course it could always be better. Employment is at it's highest rate ever. Once the UK escapes the drag of the EU it can only prosper even more. No, no no. The whole point of the austerity programme was to cut the budget deficit to zero by 2014 and to start reducing the absolute debt from that point on. They invoked austerity, never managed to get the budget deficit to zero (they still havent) and in fact the national debt has doubled. The last 9 years have been a disaster for those on lower incomes, for those that rely on social services, for our education sector, for the NHS and for the police. And financially we are up the creek. You cannot change the narrative now because it's gone pear shaped. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 31, 2019 22:50:36 GMT
Did I hear Trump has spoken with St Nigel on LBC? Something about Corbyn being very bad, Johnson being very good and the proposed WAB being a block on a US/UK trade deal. Contrary to the convention of not to interfere in other country's GE. The media rules surrounding the GE don't kick in yet, which is why it was allowed. In the same way that Cameron was able to spend 9m quid sending leaflets to every house in the UK and that 9m was not set against the spending limits for any campaign. Let's not forget, that Magic Grandpa went on Venezuelan TV to promote their dear leader? Obama went on UK tv to promote the Remain campaign. It can work both ways? Shouldn't work either way. Had he done the opposite like Obama who was asked by Cameron to do that intervention, the other side would cry foul, in fact it probably was counter productive (inee stated before that it influenced him the opposite way). I remember Clinton having his Oxford days trawlled through for gossip by John Major on behalf of Bush Sr. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 1, 2019 6:18:48 GMT
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 1, 2019 7:45:28 GMT
The media rules surrounding the GE don't kick in yet, which is why it was allowed. In the same way that Cameron was able to spend 9m quid sending leaflets to every house in the UK and that 9m was not set against the spending limits for any campaign. Let's not forget, that Magic Grandpa went on Venezuelan TV to promote their dear leader? Obama went on UK tv to promote the Remain campaign. It can work both ways? Shouldn't work either way. Had he done the opposite like Obama who was asked by Cameron to do that intervention, the other side would cry foul, in fact it probably was counter productive (inee stated before that it influenced him the opposite way). Doubt very much it was just inee, who was influenced. The sight of the president of the United States wagging an admonishing finger in our collective faces, probably influenced a great many people. And not the way they hoped. In my opinion, it was Remain`s "Basket of deplorables" moment. It was a barmy thing to have done. Considering that they are mostly university educated ( and Oxbridge at that ) our leaders can be remarkably obtuse at times. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 1, 2019 8:23:10 GMT
Shouldn't work either way. Had he done the opposite like Obama who was asked by Cameron to do that intervention, the other side would cry foul, in fact it probably was counter productive (inee stated before that it influenced him the opposite way). Doubt very much it was just inee, who was influenced. The sight of the president of the United States wagging an admonishing finger in our collective faces, probably influenced a great many people. And not the way they hoped. In my opinion, it was Remain`s "Basket of deplorables" moment. It was a barmy thing to have done. Considering that they are mostly university educated ( and Oxbridge at that ) our leaders can be remarkably obtuse at times. I agree, it was unnecessary and influenced the wrong way. It will be interesting whether Trump's comments about BJ's deal will influence voters, be that pushing more to TBP or waiverers either way. It has probably come early enough to be of little consequence but could come back into play later. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 8:40:50 GMT
Doubt very much it was just inee, who was influenced. The sight of the president of the United States wagging an admonishing finger in our collective faces, probably influenced a great many people. And not the way they hoped. In my opinion, it was Remain`s "Basket of deplorables" moment. It was a barmy thing to have done. Considering that they are mostly university educated ( and Oxbridge at that ) our leaders can be remarkably obtuse at times. I agree, it was unnecessary and influenced the wrong way. It will be interesting whether Trump's comments about BJ's deal will influence voters, be that pushing more to TBP or waiverers either way. It has probably come early enough to be of little consequence but could come back into play later. To be honest Stuart, all this media attention to what Trump says about our political situation is an irrelevance, a sideshow. There was even time spent on R4 about Trump's decision to relocate from New York to Florida..who gives a f**k. If we really care about the future of the UK we should be concentrating on the performance of the party in power which is asking for re-election, their manifesto, and the manifesto's of all parties seeking power. 11am will be interesting as its Farage's campaign launch where he will tell us where they will field candidates. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 8:51:26 GMT
After nine years running us into the ground, the Tories declare that “Britain deserves better” than them flip.it/bM2SArIndeed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 9:19:29 GMT
I agree Healthcare may trump Brexit in battle for British vote flip.it/2JE8.N |
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 1, 2019 10:47:31 GMT
After nine years running us into the ground, the Tories declare that “Britain deserves better” than them flip.it/bM2SArIndeed. Ok. So which of the dismal following, do you think could do better? "The choice A Labour Party that wants to ignore the debt they may inherit and spend upto £400 Billion A Lib Dem Party who appear single issue on Brexit The loonies in the Brexit Party The Greens who cannot get past go." |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 11:10:49 GMT
After nine years running us into the ground, the Tories declare that “Britain deserves better” than them flip.it/bM2SArIndeed. Ok. So which of the dismal following, do you think could do better? "The choice A Labour Party that wants to ignore the debt they may inherit and spend upto £400 Billion A Lib Dem Party who appear single issue on Brexit The loonies in the Brexit Party The Greens who cannot get past go." Me personally? I am minded to vote Lib Dem in some forlorn hope that this madness will be revoked. This will involve a couple of large whiskys' and holding my nose before I enter the polling booth, fully aware that they "enabled" the Tories in 2010. I dont expect to win of course. My biggest hope is that the Tories are denied, Uxbridge boots out Johnson, North Somerset puts a boot to the ass of Rees-Mogg. Such ambition eh, those of us in the centre with no home to go to. |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 1, 2019 11:28:45 GMT
Nigel Farage urges Boris Johnson to form a "leave alliance" with his party, quoting Donald Trump's claim that this would be electorally "unstoppable".
However, if the PM is not willing to do this, he says his party will contest every seat in Britain in the upcoming election.
He says such a non-aggression pact "is to our advantage, to their advantage and to Brexit's advantage".
He suggests the Tories have until 14 November - when the parties must declare who is standing where - to make up their mind.
Elaborating on his offer to the Tories, which he says also extends to Labour Brexiteers, Mr Farage says there are Leave-voting areas that the Tories cannot reach.
"We have enough money for a fully funded election campaign," he says.
"The real deal is a Leave alliance which wins a big majority in Parliament.
"I hope common sense prevails. We are prepared, all of us, to put country before party and we put that appeal out to Boris Johson.
"But, if they choose not to, we will stand up and do this on our own."
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 1, 2019 11:35:57 GMT
Nigel Farage urges Boris Johnson to form a "leave alliance" with his party, quoting Donald Trump's claim that this would be electorally "unstoppable". However, if the PM is not willing to do this, he says his party will contest every seat in Britain in the upcoming election. He says such a non-aggression pact "is to our advantage, to their advantage and to Brexit's advantage". He suggests the Tories have until 14 November - when the parties must declare who is standing where - to make up their mind. Elaborating on his offer to the Tories, which he says also extends to Labour Brexiteers, Mr Farage says there are Leave-voting areas that the Tories cannot reach. "We have enough money for a fully funded election campaign," he says. "The real deal is a Leave alliance which wins a big majority in Parliament. "I hope common sense prevails. We are prepared, all of us, to put country before party and we put that appeal out to Boris Johson. "But, if they choose not to, we will stand up and do this on our own." Delighted with this approach. Alliance never going to happen so let Farage do some of the heavy lifting to split the leave vote. Farage is only ever going to do what his funding backers want. Time for the silent majority to wake up and vote for a dolphin again? |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 1, 2019 11:50:20 GMT
Farage banging on about GATT 24 again
In his speech, Nigel Farage criticised Boris Johnson's Brexit deal.
Instead, the Brexit Party leader said he and Boris "could both go to Geneva, to the World Trade Organization.
"Under Article 24 we could leave the European Union but have several years, in fact, to negotiate the new agreement."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 11:55:50 GMT
Nigel Farage urges Boris Johnson to form a "leave alliance" with his party, quoting Donald Trump's claim that this would be electorally "unstoppable". However, if the PM is not willing to do this, he says his party will contest every seat in Britain in the upcoming election. He says such a non-aggression pact "is to our advantage, to their advantage and to Brexit's advantage". He suggests the Tories have until 14 November - when the parties must declare who is standing where - to make up their mind. Elaborating on his offer to the Tories, which he says also extends to Labour Brexiteers, Mr Farage says there are Leave-voting areas that the Tories cannot reach. "We have enough money for a fully funded election campaign," he says. "The real deal is a Leave alliance which wins a big majority in Parliament. "I hope common sense prevails. We are prepared, all of us, to put country before party and we put that appeal out to Boris Johson. "But, if they choose not to, we will stand up and do this on our own." Delighted with this approach. Alliance never going to happen so let Farage do some of the heavy lifting to split the leave vote. Farage is only ever going to do what his funding backers want. Time for the silent majority to wake up and vote for a dolphin again? Indeed, shocked that he has done this but what joy. Bring on the Dolphins. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 11:56:32 GMT
Farage banging on about GATT 24 again In his speech, Nigel Farage criticised Boris Johnson's Brexit deal. Instead, the Brexit Party leader said he and Boris "could both go to Geneva, to the World Trade Organization. "Under Article 24 we could leave the European Union but have several years, in fact, to negotiate the new agreement." Keep it up Nigel. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 1, 2019 12:39:47 GMT
Farage banging on about GATT 24 again In his speech, Nigel Farage criticised Boris Johnson's Brexit deal. Instead, the Brexit Party leader said he and Boris "could both go to Geneva, to the World Trade Organization. "Under Article 24 we could leave the European Union but have several years, in fact, to negotiate the new agreement." Hilarious, but sadly many will believe or want to believe him. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 1, 2019 12:50:50 GMT
Farage banging on about GATT 24 again In his speech, Nigel Farage criticised Boris Johnson's Brexit deal. Instead, the Brexit Party leader said he and Boris "could both go to Geneva, to the World Trade Organization. "Under Article 24 we could leave the European Union but have several years, in fact, to negotiate the new agreement." Keep it up Nigel. When 2 egomaniacs clash. Brilliant. |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 1, 2019 12:58:11 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 1, 2019 13:06:44 GMT
Interesting Twitter feed from Sky's Lewis Goodall. This quote caught my eye:
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Farage: “Boris’ deal will not get Brexit done. It will lead to a campaign where we have no voice, no veto. It’ll lead to a campaign for us to rejoin. A campaign I have no doubt would succeed.”
If Brexit is so good, why is he so sure a vote to rejoin would win? Presumably because it isn't his view on what Brexit means. Who knew people would have differing interpretations.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 13:23:12 GMT
Interesting Twitter feed from Sky's Lewis Goodall. This quote caught my eye: @lewis_goodall Farage: “Boris’ deal will not get Brexit done. It will lead to a campaign where we have no voice, no veto. It’ll lead to a campaign for us to rejoin. A campaign I have no doubt would succeed.” If Brexit is so good, why is he so sure a vote to rejoin would win? Presumably because it isn't his view on what Brexit means. Who knew people would have differing interpretations. Well said sir |
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