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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 18:30:52 GMT
Thank you and likewise. We too have needed to challenge schooling, albeit with the council rather than the school itself and 'camped' inside the Council office until seen. We have the wherewithal to know how to do this but so many deserving people just can't and lose out. I agree wholeheartedly about the mental issues, the number of times I have had to complete forms explaining the reason we need help is because one day I will be attending his funeral. Makes me grateful for what we do have and proud of what we have achieved, I ask for little in return only that he wakes up in the morning. I know like you I could pour out a stream of incidents/decisions from the Agencies that should know better that folk would find hard to believe. Two comments on the mental challenges which if you don't have a disabled child you can understand but not the emotion that Parents like us have to live with. First, when you are told at the age of 2 that your child may not live and if they do they will require a lifetime of care in that moment your whole life changes and the menatal adjustment takes years. Second,what keeps me awake at night is who will look after him when we're not here as he is so vulnerable that never goes away . We cherish every moment we have with him even though it can be a roller coaster. All the best and keep well Jeez, that was a hard read. You both have my sympathies, for what that is worth. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 10, 2019 19:29:53 GMT
I know like you I could pour out a stream of incidents/decisions from the Agencies that should know better that folk would find hard to believe. Two comments on the mental challenges which if you don't have a disabled child you can understand but not the emotion that Parents like us have to live with. First, when you are told at the age of 2 that your child may not live and if they do they will require a lifetime of care in that moment your whole life changes and the menatal adjustment takes years. Second,what keeps me awake at night is who will look after him when we're not here as he is so vulnerable that never goes away . We cherish every moment we have with him even though it can be a roller coaster. All the best and keep well Jeez, that was a hard read. You both have my sympathies, for what that is worth. Many thanks, it's true that what doesn't kill you can make you stronger, so I for one take inspiration from what our son achieves and what I see at his School. I wish i could take everyone there it gives you perspective and such a tremendous buzz. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 10, 2019 20:14:09 GMT
Jeez, that was a hard read. You both have my sympathies, for what that is worth. Many thanks, it's true that what doesn't kill you can make you stronger, so I for one take inspiration from what our son achieves and what I see at his School. I wish i could take everyone there it gives you perspective and such a tremendous buzz. Couldn't agree more, I am twice the man I would otherwise have been. My late mum was religious and instilled in me from an early age that 'being asked to look after a disabled child is a blessing'. Not religious myself but she obviously knew something 25 year early. Spooky yet comforting. Special needs schools are a scene of inspiration. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 22:33:56 GMT
Jeez, that was a hard read. You both have my sympathies, for what that is worth. Many thanks, it's true that what doesn't kill you can make you stronger, so I for one take inspiration from what our son achieves and what I see at his School. I wish i could take everyone there it gives you perspective and such a tremendous buzz. Absolutely. I don’t have kids and I know myself that I’m the kind of person who would (wrongly) feel like it was something like the end of the world if I did have a child and they had some sort of issue that might hold them back. So fair play to you for your strength and your positivity on the situation- like you say it would probably give a much needed perspective that everybody would benefit from to see the good work and achievements of kids in such a situation.. |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 11, 2019 7:54:49 GMT
So many stories on here about personal struggles and what has been achieved when people work hard and fight for what they think is right. Posters saying they are proud of what they have achieved even though the severe health issues are still there and their loved ones cannot be cured.
This is exactly the point of my original post, that we fight and work to get what we feel we deserve. This is the opposite to Corbyn's message that we shouldn't have to worry about anything and it will all be easily given to us. What we will have to worry about is our country going bankrupt when all the money is given away.
Whilst nobody wants major problems imo it is the fighting, working and achieving that makes us feel proud and makes us grow as people.
I am reluctant to vote Tory, but what else is there? There is nowhere for hard working mor voters to go. The nearest for me are the Tories and also they are the most democratic. How can we have a leader like Corbyn who is so indecisive. We voted in the referendum three and a half years ago, his party are still deciding whether they should remain or leave! Swinson completely ignored the will of the people, she is the leader of the Liberal Democrats. She is neither Liberal or Democratic. Just totally ignored 17 million people. A business that ignores it's customers isn't going anywhere.
I don't listen to the media a great deal because of its political bias. A friend of mine is a retired journalist and she said to me 'Alan, you will be amazed what people believe when it's written down'. My philosophy is to go out in the real world and see what's really happening, both the good and the bad.
Even though I'm 71 and have cancer, which is getting worse, I work as a support worker with clients who struggle with all kinds of difficulties. I also work one day every week for free seeing people who cannot get funding for my type of work. I see some fantastic people and some amazing work being achieved by the NHS and its staff. I also see people who work the system and have no intention of working. A young man in his forties, he's never worked and doesn't intend to. Bullying and abusing his way around to get every benefit and help going, we cannot answer back because of the PC brigade. He has two support workers a social worker and an anger management consultant. He doesn't improve because he doesn't try and instead relies on everyone else to give him everything and do everything for him. He has no sense of achievement, no pride and consequently no confidence or happiness. Corbyn would give him even more.
I was out with three friends on Friday. We are all from poorer areas and have all suffered the hard knocks of life. We have also been grateful to the NHS when serious illness has occured. We are all going to vote Conservative because we think Corbyn isn't the answer and Labour has let us down.
My heart goes out to everyone who is struggling with major difficulties on here and everywhere. Good luck to everyone in this situation. All we can do is the best we can with life.
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 11, 2019 8:17:04 GMT
So many stories on here about personal struggles and what has been achieved when people work hard and fight for what they think is right. Posters saying they are proud of what they have achieved even though the severe health issues are still there and their loved ones cannot be cured. This is exactly the point of my original post, that we fight and work to get what we feel we deserve. This is the opposite to Corbyn's message that we shouldn't have to worry about anything and it will all be easily given to us. What we will have to worry about is our country going bankrupt when all the money is given away. Whilst nobody wants major problems imo it is the fighting, working and achieving that makes us feel proud and makes us grow as people. I am reluctant to vote Tory, but what else is there? There is nowhere for hard working mor voters to go. The nearest for me are the Tories and also they are the most democratic. How can we have a leader like Corbyn who is so indecisive. We voted in the referendum three and a half years ago, his party are still deciding whether they should remain or leave! Swinson completely ignored the will of the people, she is the leader of the Liberal Democrats. She is neither Liberal or Democratic. Just totally ignored 17 million people. A business that ignores it's customers isn't going anywhere. I don't listen to the media a great deal because of its political bias. A friend of mine is a retired journalist and she said to me 'Alan, you will be amazed what people believe when it's written down'. My philosophy is to go out in the real world and see what's really happening, both the good and the bad. Even though I'm 71 and have cancer, which is getting worse, I work as a support worker with clients who struggle with all kinds of difficulties. I also work one day every week for free seeing people who cannot get funding for my type of work. I see some fantastic people and some amazing work being achieved by the NHS and its staff. I also see people who work the system and have no intention of working. A young man in his forties, he's never worked and doesn't intend to. Bullying and abusing his way around to get every benefit and help going, we cannot answer back because of the PC brigade. He has two support workers a social worker and an anger management consultant. He doesn't improve because he doesn't try and instead relies on everyone else to give him everything and do everything for him. He has no sense of achievement, no pride and consequently no confidence or happiness. Corbyn would give him even more. I was out with three friends on Friday. We are all from poorer areas and have all suffered the hard knocks of life. We have also been grateful to the NHS when serious illness has occured. We are all going to vote Conservative because we think Corbyn isn't the answer and Labour has let us down. My heart goes out to everyone who is struggling with major difficulties on here and everywhere. Good luck to everyone in this situation. All we can do is the best we can with life. My hopes and best wishes to you, as my Dad used to tell me "Those are the cards you've been dealt with you just have to play them and do your best." Never a truer word goodluck to you and yours. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 8:19:04 GMT
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I was hoping, almost praying, you were not of my generation.
That you are, I read your words and weep.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 11, 2019 8:54:04 GMT
So many stories on here about personal struggles and what has been achieved when people work hard and fight for what they think is right. Posters saying they are proud of what they have achieved even though the severe health issues are still there and their loved ones cannot be cured. This is exactly the point of my original post, that we fight and work to get what we feel we deserve. This is the opposite to Corbyn's message that we shouldn't have to worry about anything and it will all be easily given to us. What we will have to worry about is our country going bankrupt when all the money is given away. Whilst nobody wants major problems imo it is the fighting, working and achieving that makes us feel proud and makes us grow as people. I am reluctant to vote Tory, but what else is there? There is nowhere for hard working mor voters to go. The nearest for me are the Tories and also they are the most democratic. How can we have a leader like Corbyn who is so indecisive. We voted in the referendum three and a half years ago, his party are still deciding whether they should remain or leave! Swinson completely ignored the will of the people, she is the leader of the Liberal Democrats. She is neither Liberal or Democratic. Just totally ignored 17 million people. A business that ignores it's customers isn't going anywhere. I don't listen to the media a great deal because of its political bias. A friend of mine is a retired journalist and she said to me 'Alan, you will be amazed what people believe when it's written down'. My philosophy is to go out in the real world and see what's really happening, both the good and the bad. Even though I'm 71 and have cancer, which is getting worse, I work as a support worker with clients who struggle with all kinds of difficulties. I also work one day every week for free seeing people who cannot get funding for my type of work. I see some fantastic people and some amazing work being achieved by the NHS and its staff. I also see people who work the system and have no intention of working. A young man in his forties, he's never worked and doesn't intend to. Bullying and abusing his way around to get every benefit and help going, we cannot answer back because of the PC brigade. He has two support workers a social worker and an anger management consultant. He doesn't improve because he doesn't try and instead relies on everyone else to give him everything and do everything for him. He has no sense of achievement, no pride and consequently no confidence or happiness. Corbyn would give him even more. I was out with three friends on Friday. We are all from poorer areas and have all suffered the hard knocks of life. We have also been grateful to the NHS when serious illness has occured. We are all going to vote Conservative because we think Corbyn isn't the answer and Labour has let us down. My heart goes out to everyone who is struggling with major difficulties on here and everywhere. Good luck to everyone in this situation. All we can do is the best we can with life. Thank you for your considered response, Al. I can understand how you have concluded that but I would like to say that while I feel a better person for having a special needs son, it is not because I have fought every inch of the way. I may be okay but this has taken a huge toll at home as my wife is now suffering from periodic bouts of depression. By having a disabled child, statistically speaking I have doubled my chances of divorce. I have also seen many other parents split or become bitter of the system. I understand your thoughts about having to work to fully appreciate what we have, I don't get that impression from Corbyn unless you have heard a speech from him I haven't. As for the Lib dems stance, they are asking for a mandate so won't revoke without a majority. They may be ignoring the Leave vote but I would contest the Conservatives and The Brexit Party have ignored the 16m who voted to remain. That isn't democracy either. Who is looking after the whole country? Finally, I wish you well and thank you for your voluntary work. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 8:57:18 GMT
So many stories on here about personal struggles and what has been achieved when people work hard and fight for what they think is right. Posters saying they are proud of what they have achieved even though the severe health issues are still there and their loved ones cannot be cured. This is exactly the point of my original post, that we fight and work to get what we feel we deserve. This is the opposite to Corbyn's message that we shouldn't have to worry about anything and it will all be easily given to us. What we will have to worry about is our country going bankrupt when all the money is given away. Whilst nobody wants major problems imo it is the fighting, working and achieving that makes us feel proud and makes us grow as people. I am reluctant to vote Tory, but what else is there? There is nowhere for hard working mor voters to go. The nearest for me are the Tories and also they are the most democratic. How can we have a leader like Corbyn who is so indecisive. We voted in the referendum three and a half years ago, his party are still deciding whether they should remain or leave! Swinson completely ignored the will of the people, she is the leader of the Liberal Democrats. She is neither Liberal or Democratic. Just totally ignored 17 million people. A business that ignores it's customers isn't going anywhere. I don't listen to the media a great deal because of its political bias. A friend of mine is a retired journalist and she said to me 'Alan, you will be amazed what people believe when it's written down'. My philosophy is to go out in the real world and see what's really happening, both the good and the bad. Even though I'm 71 and have cancer, which is getting worse, I work as a support worker with clients who struggle with all kinds of difficulties. I also work one day every week for free seeing people who cannot get funding for my type of work. I see some fantastic people and some amazing work being achieved by the NHS and its staff. I also see people who work the system and have no intention of working. A young man in his forties, he's never worked and doesn't intend to. Bullying and abusing his way around to get every benefit and help going, we cannot answer back because of the PC brigade. He has two support workers a social worker and an anger management consultant. He doesn't improve because he doesn't try and instead relies on everyone else to give him everything and do everything for him. He has no sense of achievement, no pride and consequently no confidence or happiness. Corbyn would give him even more. I was out with three friends on Friday. We are all from poorer areas and have all suffered the hard knocks of life. We have also been grateful to the NHS when serious illness has occured. We are all going to vote Conservative because we think Corbyn isn't the answer and Labour has let us down. My heart goes out to everyone who is struggling with major difficulties on here and everywhere. Good luck to everyone in this situation. All we can do is the best we can with life. I don’t totally agree with everything there but I wish you the very best with your struggle with cancer and tip my hat to your willingness to volunteer your services to help people. This country needs more people with that outlook. I understand where you are coming from re: Corbyn but personally I feel like the Tories are the absolute antithesis of people giving up their free time to help the less fortunate, another decade under them and it will be every man for himself, which under capitalism is kind of the point, but we should never forget those less well off either who have impaired access to the means to own their life and make good choices for themselves that will allow them to earn a ‘decent’ (emphasis on the ‘decent’, not just ‘getting by’) and sustainable living in a free market. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 11, 2019 9:00:07 GMT
Al I was hoping, almost praying, you were not of my generation. That you are, I read your words and weep. Unfortunately my friend we are all of the same generation 😊that's why gasheads are a dying breed!! |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 11, 2019 9:07:20 GMT
So many stories on here about personal struggles and what has been achieved when people work hard and fight for what they think is right. Posters saying they are proud of what they have achieved even though the severe health issues are still there and their loved ones cannot be cured. This is exactly the point of my original post, that we fight and work to get what we feel we deserve. This is the opposite to Corbyn's message that we shouldn't have to worry about anything and it will all be easily given to us. What we will have to worry about is our country going bankrupt when all the money is given away. Whilst nobody wants major problems imo it is the fighting, working and achieving that makes us feel proud and makes us grow as people. I am reluctant to vote Tory, but what else is there? There is nowhere for hard working mor voters to go. The nearest for me are the Tories and also they are the most democratic. How can we have a leader like Corbyn who is so indecisive. We voted in the referendum three and a half years ago, his party are still deciding whether they should remain or leave! Swinson completely ignored the will of the people, she is the leader of the Liberal Democrats. She is neither Liberal or Democratic. Just totally ignored 17 million people. A business that ignores it's customers isn't going anywhere. I don't listen to the media a great deal because of its political bias. A friend of mine is a retired journalist and she said to me 'Alan, you will be amazed what people believe when it's written down'. My philosophy is to go out in the real world and see what's really happening, both the good and the bad. Even though I'm 71 and have cancer, which is getting worse, I work as a support worker with clients who struggle with all kinds of difficulties. I also work one day every week for free seeing people who cannot get funding for my type of work. I see some fantastic people and some amazing work being achieved by the NHS and its staff. I also see people who work the system and have no intention of working. A young man in his forties, he's never worked and doesn't intend to. Bullying and abusing his way around to get every benefit and help going, we cannot answer back because of the PC brigade. He has two support workers a social worker and an anger management consultant. He doesn't improve because he doesn't try and instead relies on everyone else to give him everything and do everything for him. He has no sense of achievement, no pride and consequently no confidence or happiness. Corbyn would give him even more. I was out with three friends on Friday. We are all from poorer areas and have all suffered the hard knocks of life. We have also been grateful to the NHS when serious illness has occured. We are all going to vote Conservative because we think Corbyn isn't the answer and Labour has let us down. My heart goes out to everyone who is struggling with major difficulties on here and everywhere. Good luck to everyone in this situation. All we can do is the best we can with life. Thank you for your considered response, Al. I can understand how you have concluded that but I would like to say that while I feel a better person for having a special needs son, it is not because I have fought every inch of the way. I may be okay but this has taken a huge toll at home as my wife is now suffering from periodic bouts of depression. By having a disabled child, statistically speaking I have doubled my chances of divorce. I have also seen many other parents split or become bitter of the system. I understand your thoughts about having to work to fully appreciate what we have, I don't get that impression from Corbyn unless you have heard a speech from him I haven't. As for the Lib dems stance, they are asking for a mandate so won't revoke without a majority. They may be ignoring the Leave vote but I would contest the Conservatives and The Brexit Party have ignored the 16m who voted to remain. That isn't democracy either. Who is looking after the whole country? Finally, I wish you well and thank you for your voluntary work. Agree with you Stuart. Interesting what you quote about Divorce and depression,it becomes blindingly obivious that the mental challenge of Special Needs Children either makes or breaks a marriage , I am lucky that my better half is pretty tough probably being a Saffie helps however there are times when we have a robust discussion about best course of action but that's healthy. One of my good friends from Joshs School who has a child at the School took himself 2 years ago and hung himself in a local wood he was 42,there is no help for parents and all we can do is support each other as best we can. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 9:09:47 GMT
We should be seeing much more stuff like this imo: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50367650To further elaborate on the point above in response to Al about Corbyn wanting to give everything to people so they don.’t have to work for it and my response about people needing help the perfect illustration is when I lost my job a couple of years back and I was desperate to learn a trade because these days there is a skills shortage in electrical work, plumbing etc so a potentially sustainable job that would earn a good income and I investigated down the job centre how I could get into such a line of work. The blunt answer is, unless you are a millionaire or you have a rich family, you can’t. Instead I was offered work as a security guard even though I had a degree and a technical background. Now I’m not trying to turn my nose up at security guard work, but I’m not sure it could be classed as sustainable (ie it has a long future and an upward career trajectory). It’s just shuffling someone around from one dead end job that ended in redundancy to another that will offer little in the way of long term prospects. If this is the best we can do for people who are willing to put in the work but need some financial assistance to re-train for a sustainable career then is it any wonder that social mobility in this country is pretty much unthinkable for the low earners who live in constant fear of redundancy and have very little security in their lives? Seeing money being put into education and re-training *for adults* should be a massive policy that everyone gets behind. It’s a serious point- will we see that sort of intent to help less well off adults who lack quality skills (emphasis on the quality) from the Tories? I won’t be holding my breath... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 9:30:36 GMT
Al I was hoping, almost praying, you were not of my generation. That you are, I read your words and weep. Unfortunately my friend we are all of the same generation 😊that's why gasheads are a dying breed!! Indeed. But my sadness is born of reading the words of someone of my generation who benefitted massively by the investment and provision of public services, suggesting that younger people today do not deserve the same facilities. Sad. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 9:55:12 GMT
Unfortunately my friend we are all of the same generation 😊that's why gasheads are a dying breed!! Indeed. But my sadness is born of reading the words of someone of my generation who benefitted massively by the investment and provision of public services, suggesting that younger people today do not deserve the same facilities. Sad. Might be a bit harsh on Al himself but that’s a good point actually. I do feel there is a certain ‘entitlement’ about the older generation- particularly the ones who have voted for Brexit, in that they made hay under the EU and built quite nice nest eggs for themselves through property and business precisely because the UK was able to transition from the “sick man of Europe” to quite a prosperous country as part of the EU and now they have done alright and despite all the projections about shrinking of the economy and loss of jobs they want to pull the ladder up after them and f**k everyone else. This attitude also seems to permeate down into national politics and there is a certain “buying into” the narrative of Corbyn as a full on communist who wants everyone to have money they haven’t earned (unfortunately I think Al is guilty of falling for that). Labour have some controversial policies but what I see from them mostly is a genuine and well meaning attempt to try and level some of the rank inequality in this country, the only people who would have a problem with that are the people I mentioned above- the older generation who milked the opportunity out of the land, creating a housing crisis for young people as they did so and now don’t want to give any opportunity back because hey, “I’m alright Jack”. It’s not their fault of course, the state enacted fiscal policies that enabled them to do very nicely (no tax on second homes creating buy to let etc). Housing is probably the single most significant driver (as well as tax avoidance) of the widening gap between classes and difficulty in social mobility and it’s almost inevitable that you would eventually get a party that seeks to do something about it and naturally that party is going to be smeared as being communist by those who want to maintain the status quo of rich getting richer. Over the years the ladder up to the rich has been set upon by policy so much that it’s being held together by string and tape to the point where now the rich just want to kick it away completely and have done with it. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 11, 2019 10:03:18 GMT
Indeed. But my sadness is born of reading the words of someone of my generation who benefitted massively by the investment and provision of public services, suggesting that younger people today do not deserve the same facilities. Sad. Might be a bit harsh on Al himself but that’s a good point actually. I do feel there is a certain ‘entitlement’ about the older generation- particularly the ones who have voted for Brexit, in that they made hay under the EU and built quite nice nest eggs for themselves through property and business precisely because the UK was able to transition from the “sick man of Europe” to quite a prosperous country as part of the EU and now they have done alright they want to pull the bridge up after them and f**k everyone else and this attitude also seems to permeate down into national politics with things such as the NHS and there is a certain “buying into” the narrative of Corbyn and as a full on communist who wants everyone to have money they haven’t earned (unfortunately I think Al is guilty of falling for that). Labour have some controversial policies but what I see from them mostly is a genuine and well meaning attempt to try and level some of the rank inequality in this country, the only people who would have a problem with that are the people I mentioned above- the older generation who milked the opportunity out of the land, creating a housing crisis for young people as they did so and now don’t want to give any opportunity back because hey, “I’m alright Jack”. It’s not their fault of course, the state enacted fiscal policies that enabled them to do very nicely (no tax on second homes creating buy to let etc) and it’s almost inevitable that you would eventually get a party that seeks to do something about it and naturally that party is going to be smeared as being communist by those who want to maintain the status quo of rich getting richer. Over the years the ladder up to the rich has been set upon by policy so much that it’s being held together by string and tape to the point where now the rich just want to kick it away completely and have done with it. Well I'm 65 and voted for Brexit but have no sense of entitlement whatsoever. However,I would take issue about your point of wealth creation around home ownership ,it's not quite as simplistic other than recent years home ownership as increases under both Labour /Tories but the point is that the money generated eventually trickles down each generation anyway so I see that as a positive note a negative. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 10:36:59 GMT
Indeed. But my sadness is born of reading the words of someone of my generation who benefitted massively by the investment and provision of public services, suggesting that younger people today do not deserve the same facilities. Sad. Might be a bit harsh on Al himself but that’s a good point actually. I do feel there is a certain ‘entitlement’ about the older generation- particularly the ones who have voted for Brexit, in that they made hay under the EU and built quite nice nest eggs for themselves through property and business precisely because the UK was able to transition from the “sick man of Europe” to quite a prosperous country as part of the EU and now they have done alright and despite all the projections about shrinking of the economy and loss of jobs they want to pull the ladder up after them and f**k everyone else. This attitude also seems to permeate down into national politics and there is a certain “buying into” the narrative of Corbyn as a full on communist who wants everyone to have money they haven’t earned (unfortunately I think Al is guilty of falling for that). Labour have some controversial policies but what I see from them mostly is a genuine and well meaning attempt to try and level some of the rank inequality in this country, the only people who would have a problem with that are the people I mentioned above- the older generation who milked the opportunity out of the land, creating a housing crisis for young people as they did so and now don’t want to give any opportunity back because hey, “I’m alright Jack”. It’s not their fault of course, the state enacted fiscal policies that enabled them to do very nicely (no tax on second homes creating buy to let etc). Housing is probably the single most significant driver (as well as tax avoidance) of the widening gap between classes and difficulty in social mobility and it’s almost inevitable that you would eventually get a party that seeks to do something about it and naturally that party is going to be smeared as being communist by those who want to maintain the status quo of rich getting richer. Over the years the ladder up to the rich has been set upon by policy so much that it’s being held together by string and tape to the point where now the rich just want to kick it away completely and have done with it. Nothing like a good bit of generalisation. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 11:08:44 GMT
Might be a bit harsh on Al himself but that’s a good point actually. I do feel there is a certain ‘entitlement’ about the older generation- particularly the ones who have voted for Brexit, in that they made hay under the EU and built quite nice nest eggs for themselves through property and business precisely because the UK was able to transition from the “sick man of Europe” to quite a prosperous country as part of the EU and now they have done alright they want to pull the bridge up after them and f**k everyone else and this attitude also seems to permeate down into national politics with things such as the NHS and there is a certain “buying into” the narrative of Corbyn and as a full on communist who wants everyone to have money they haven’t earned (unfortunately I think Al is guilty of falling for that). Labour have some controversial policies but what I see from them mostly is a genuine and well meaning attempt to try and level some of the rank inequality in this country, the only people who would have a problem with that are the people I mentioned above- the older generation who milked the opportunity out of the land, creating a housing crisis for young people as they did so and now don’t want to give any opportunity back because hey, “I’m alright Jack”. It’s not their fault of course, the state enacted fiscal policies that enabled them to do very nicely (no tax on second homes creating buy to let etc) and it’s almost inevitable that you would eventually get a party that seeks to do something about it and naturally that party is going to be smeared as being communist by those who want to maintain the status quo of rich getting richer. Over the years the ladder up to the rich has been set upon by policy so much that it’s being held together by string and tape to the point where now the rich just want to kick it away completely and have done with it. Well I'm 65 and voted for Brexit but have no sense of entitlement whatsoever. However,I would take issue about your point of wealth creation around home ownership ,it's not quite as simplistic other than recent years home ownership as increases under both Labour /Tories but the point is that the money generated eventually trickles down each generation anyway so I see that as a positive note a negative. What better investment can the average Brit make than housing though? What gives a better rate of return? Housing prices are not going down any time soon, the Bank of England will see to that if it has to because it seems to be keeping interest rates artificially low because so much of the Uk economy is now tied up in housing and it simply can’t allow negative equity. So if you can get on the housing ladder you have an almost guaranteed year on year significant increase in your asset wealth, never mind if you don’t decide to chance your arm at some buy to let action, not only further enhancing your own wealth but at the same time taking a potential competitor out of the market by renting to them and increasing the value of your own house while you are it. Yes property does trickle down but that’s a positive and a negative too because it doesn’t help the people who don’t inherit houses get on the ladder and that’s also how it helps entrench clear divisions between those lineage of families who have property and those that don’t. I’m sort of in that situation myself- my family have property that I would inherit, but people live much longer these days and it’s not something I can rely on, so I’m trying to save what, close to 23k (the current average UK deposit price) whilst paying a significant portion of my income in rent. It’s going to take me yeeeeears and there is no bank of mum and dad to help me or relative to give me a spare property that they aren’t using. I’m not trying to suggest I have any answers, I don’t know what the answer is. I’m also not trying to bemoan my own lot, personally, it is what it is. I try and speak, as always, from the POV of those who don’t have a lot and how they can improve their lot in life. It’s getting harder and harder in the Uk because personal wealth is becoming a hand me down that lasts for generations and soon whether you are able to make something of your life is going to be solely fluke of birth unless you are truly gifted. Certainly, one thing the older generation *did* have was access to the slogan “hard work brings it’s own rewards”. That doesn’t apply any more. Hard work will keep a roof over your head for the moment but to get anywhere in life you have to work harder but most importantly smarter and find a niche in a world where most everything has already been invented. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 11:31:15 GMT
Actually, part of the answer is simple: build more homes. Yet since 2014 the 200,000 new starter homes the Tories pledged to build didn’t happen. Hmm...any guesses as to why? www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-50296672“ But the spending watchdog said the sites were all now being used for housing more generally, only some of which was affordable.” You can’t make it up sometimes  |
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