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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 20:34:44 GMT
I agree self motivation is as important. But I would point you to the changes in society after 1948 and the advent of the NHS, the investment in new comprehensive schools in the 50s and 60s, the availability of social housing (if my memory serves me correctly we built 200,000 social houses that year 1979). Compare the outcomes to life styles in the 20's and 30's. I was a huge beneficiary of all that, brought up in a perfectly adequate council home in Knowle, went to a comprehensive, my parents received health care for them and their family at the point of need and without undue delay ( within the constraints of technology at the time). University, was fully funded. Yes, I am a baby boomer. Look what happened. Would you deny that to others? Of course not. Those things were fantastic and what I voted for every year of my life. We only grew in later years because of personal debt. No one could really afford a car but we could borrowed the money for one, this is where it became unreal. I don't expect your parents had much, but also no debt? In later years it caught up with us. I've often wondered how much a house would be now if no one could borrow the money to get one? The majority of people and the country has lived beyond its means for 50 years. It was always going to catch up. If you're in a hole the only answer is to work harder to get out. Corbyn's answer seems to be do less. Al, mate. We are not talking materialism. We are talking basics. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 20:35:16 GMT
For those of us that cannot be assed to look up what he actually said, why not quote it Nobby How can you be arguing about this if you don't even know what he said? Nobby I want you to say it. |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 9, 2019 21:08:07 GMT
Of course not. Those things were fantastic and what I voted for every year of my life. We only grew in later years because of personal debt. No one could really afford a car but we could borrowed the money for one, this is where it became unreal. I don't expect your parents had much, but also no debt? In later years it caught up with us. I've often wondered how much a house would be now if no one could borrow the money to get one? The majority of people and the country has lived beyond its means for 50 years. It was always going to catch up. If you're in a hole the only answer is to work harder to get out. Corbyn's answer seems to be do less. Al, mate. We are not talking materialism. We are talking basics. Like I said that's complex and it's easy and lazy to blame the government. |
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Post by aghast on Nov 9, 2019 22:23:46 GMT
To say you've been a lifetime Labour voter, and to then write all that follows, suggests to me you must have been a very, very confused lifetime Labour voter. You do know the Tories have been there for yonks with policies that suit you? Not at all confused. I'm a mor Labour voter not a left wing voter. The Tories at the present are the nearest to the way I think and are the only major party to listen and try and get through a democratic vote by the people of this country. The Tory party makes promises about investment in the NHS, restoring wages in the public sector, borrowing to fund a healthy economy, and numerous other left of centre pledges, because they know it's what the people want. Then when in power they water down the bits they never liked, and drop the bits they never meant. Why not vote for a party that actually believes in those things, like Labour or the Lib Dems? The Tories have no philosophy or beliefs any more. All they want, the single defining thing they want, is to win elections. Nothing else matters to them. |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 9, 2019 22:57:52 GMT
Not at all confused. I'm a mor Labour voter not a left wing voter. The Tories at the present are the nearest to the way I think and are the only major party to listen and try and get through a democratic vote by the people of this country. The Tory party makes promises about investment in the NHS, restoring wages in the public sector, borrowing to fund a healthy economy, and numerous other left of centre pledges, because they know it's what the people want. Then when in power they water down the bits they never liked, and drop the bits they never meant. Why not vote for a party that actually believes in those things, like Labour or the Lib Dems? The Tories have no philosophy or beliefs any more. All they want, the single defining thing they want, is to win elections. Nothing else matters to them. Simply because they are not democratic. The people had a vote and they dismiss it and pursue their own ideology. Swinson supported all the things you don't like, some say she is more a Tory than a Tory. Corbyn isn't a leader, cannot make decisions and we all voted three and a half years ago, but the Labour party still haven't decided yet if they support Remain or Leave. They are not material to govern imo. Abbott for Home Secretary? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 9, 2019 23:53:16 GMT
I'm a lifetime Labour voter and for the first time I'll be voting Tory. Why? Not because the Tories are great because they are not, but OMG look at the alternative. Corbyn made a speech where he gave the impression young people shouldn't have to work to get things. That is fundamentally wrong for the human being. Our self esteem relies on work and achievement not getting something for nothing. Yes the Tories smash the Unions and offer low paid wages, but each individual should rise to that challenge and get higher up the ladder. To say they can't do it is a reflection on them not the government. Corbyn and his promises of everything free for little effort just creates low self esteem, crime and a breakdown in society where people will want even more for even less effort. It won't work as it completely goes against how human beings function and create. As for the delusional Swinson well 17% sorry but it won't make you PM. So sadly the Tories imo are nearest to reality and that is why, quite incredibly, they will get my vote. Which speech was this? I see you stated "impression" and then went on as fact. Was the impression your interpretation or did he state what you believe he said? As for everything for free, like you I have had direct experience. When we first had our son, we had a number of medical specialists who could help, a local charity reasonably well supported, Surestart, amongst others. At the age of 3 he had major surgery at Frenchay. This has now been closed to sell off for housing and facilities moved into town where there is little parking. I know it was chosen to be sold off for financial gain as fact as I had people in the know. In 2009 we needed to spend a lot of money rebuilding our house to make it suitable, the Council helped a great deal with a case worker and a grant. The grant is tapered so should we move we have to pay some back. We also had to use our life savings and sell the car to pay for it, otherwise the work would have cost us both the lounge and garden to have room with no storage for equipment or a place to have some family time. And this is when money was available. Come forward a few years and getting even one small piece of equipment resized took three years and four case workers. There is no money. A friend is having fund raising events for their son every couple of weeks as the council will only cross match funding and even that is capped. Sure start lost, a self help group nearby is barely existing. My son's school is short and losing staff. Since 2010 we as a nation have lost 21,000 police (crime up) and 30,000 members of the armed forces, teaching gaps and 100,000 shortfall in the NHS. Nursing bursaries gone, massive increase in national debt, food banks were pretty unheard of before. Government isn't there to hand out but to give a helping hand, provide the basis in which people can help themselves. My politics is fairly middle-the-road, somewhere around Blair and Paddy Ashdown. I despise Corbyn and what he stands for but the way Cameron, May and now Johnson have gone about things is too little, too late, they have sacrificed so much of what ordinary hard working people need but have not suffered at all themselves. I have tried to better myself and my family such as doing privately professional qualifications. We have both gone part time to care, with the obvious reduction (halving) in salary, but life gets in the way. My brother gets up at 4 in the morning for a long shift of manual work to raise three children in his council house. Is he undeserving because he has has the odd cigarette? My sister works nights, brother in law 12 hour shifts as a security guard despite having weeping sores on his feet, my late mum worked for years nursing geriatrics, when she was pensioned off she cleaned public toilets to earn money. In the real world people are struggling badly and the Conservative policies have exacerbated this to cronic levels. I just cannot accept more of this just because of a vote 3 and a half years ago and a false perception that some people don't deserve or need help, that they should be 'encouraged' to do it themselves. Sorry, but it's bollox. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 7:50:15 GMT
I'm a lifetime Labour voter and for the first time I'll be voting Tory. Why? Not because the Tories are great because they are not, but OMG look at the alternative. Corbyn made a speech where he gave the impression young people shouldn't have to work to get things. That is fundamentally wrong for the human being. Our self esteem relies on work and achievement not getting something for nothing. Yes the Tories smash the Unions and offer low paid wages, but each individual should rise to that challenge and get higher up the ladder. To say they can't do it is a reflection on them not the government. Corbyn and his promises of everything free for little effort just creates low self esteem, crime and a breakdown in society where people will want even more for even less effort. It won't work as it completely goes against how human beings function and create. As for the delusional Swinson well 17% sorry but it won't make you PM. So sadly the Tories imo are nearest to reality and that is why, quite incredibly, they will get my vote. Which speech was this? I see you stated "impression" and then went on as fact. Was the impression your interpretation or did he state what you believe he said? As for everything for free, like you I have had direct experience. When we first had our son, we had a number of medical specialists who could help, a local charity reasonably well supported, Surestart, amongst others. At the age of 3 he had major surgery at Frenchay. This has now been closed to sell off for housing and facilities moved into town where there is little parking. I know it was chosen to be sold off for financial gain as fact as I had people in the know. In 2009 we needed to spend a lot of money rebuilding our house to make it suitable, the Council helped a great deal with a case worker and a grant. The grant is tapered so should we move we have to pay some back. We also had to use our life savings and sell the car to pay for it, otherwise the work would have cost us both the lounge and garden to have room with no storage for equipment or a place to have some family time. And this is when money was available. Come forward a few years and getting even one small piece of equipment resized took three years and four case workers. There is no money. A friend is having fund raising events for their son every couple of weeks as the council will only cross match funding and even that is capped. Sure start lost, a self help group nearby is barely existing. My son's school is short and losing staff. Since 2010 we as a nation have lost 21,000 police (crime up) and 30,000 members of the armed forces, teaching gaps and 100,000 shortfall in the NHS. Nursing bursaries gone, massive increase in national debt, food banks were pretty unheard of before. Government isn't there to hand out but to give a helping hand, provide the basis in which people can help themselves. My politics is fairly middle-the-road, somewhere around Blair and Paddy Ashdown. I despise Corbyn and what he stands for but the way Cameron, May and now Johnson have gone about things is too little, too late, they have sacrificed so much of what ordinary hard working people need but have not suffered at all themselves. I have tried to better myself and my family such as doing privately professional qualifications. We have both gone part time to care, with the obvious reduction (halving) in salary, but life gets in the way. My brother gets up at 4 in the morning for a long shift of manual work to raise three children in his council house. Is he undeserving because he has has the odd cigarette? My sister works nights, brother in law 12 hour shifts as a security guard despite having weeping sores on his feet, my late mum worked for years nursing geriatrics, when she was pensioned off she cleaned public toilets to earn money. In the real world people are struggling badly and the Conservative policies have exacerbated this to cronic levels. I just cannot accept more of this just because of a vote 3 and a half years ago and a false perception that some people don't deserve or need help, that they should be 'encouraged' to do it themselves. Sorry, but it's bollox. I never knew. All power to you sir, and exactly why I despise the Tories. |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 10, 2019 9:12:14 GMT
I'm a lifetime Labour voter and for the first time I'll be voting Tory. Why? Not because the Tories are great because they are not, but OMG look at the alternative. Corbyn made a speech where he gave the impression young people shouldn't have to work to get things. That is fundamentally wrong for the human being. Our self esteem relies on work and achievement not getting something for nothing. Yes the Tories smash the Unions and offer low paid wages, but each individual should rise to that challenge and get higher up the ladder. To say they can't do it is a reflection on them not the government. Corbyn and his promises of everything free for little effort just creates low self esteem, crime and a breakdown in society where people will want even more for even less effort. It won't work as it completely goes against how human beings function and create. As for the delusional Swinson well 17% sorry but it won't make you PM. So sadly the Tories imo are nearest to reality and that is why, quite incredibly, they will get my vote. Which speech was this? I see you stated "impression" and then went on as fact. Was the impression your interpretation or did he state what you believe he said? As for everything for free, like you I have had direct experience. When we first had our son, we had a number of medical specialists who could help, a local charity reasonably well supported, Surestart, amongst others. At the age of 3 he had major surgery at Frenchay. This has now been closed to sell off for housing and facilities moved into town where there is little parking. I know it was chosen to be sold off for financial gain as fact as I had people in the know. In 2009 we needed to spend a lot of money rebuilding our house to make it suitable, the Council helped a great deal with a case worker and a grant. The grant is tapered so should we move we have to pay some back. We also had to use our life savings and sell the car to pay for it, otherwise the work would have cost us both the lounge and garden to have room with no storage for equipment or a place to have some family time. And this is when money was available. Come forward a few years and getting even one small piece of equipment resized took three years and four case workers. There is no money. A friend is having fund raising events for their son every couple of weeks as the council will only cross match funding and even that is capped. Sure start lost, a self help group nearby is barely existing. My son's school is short and losing staff. Since 2010 we as a nation have lost 21,000 police (crime up) and 30,000 members of the armed forces, teaching gaps and 100,000 shortfall in the NHS. Nursing bursaries gone, massive increase in national debt, food banks were pretty unheard of before. Government isn't there to hand out but to give a helping hand, provide the basis in which people can help themselves. My politics is fairly middle-the-road, somewhere around Blair and Paddy Ashdown. I despise Corbyn and what he stands for but the way Cameron, May and now Johnson have gone about things is too little, too late, they have sacrificed so much of what ordinary hard working people need but have not suffered at all themselves. I have tried to better myself and my family such as doing privately professional qualifications. We have both gone part time to care, with the obvious reduction (halving) in salary, but life gets in the way. My brother gets up at 4 in the morning for a long shift of manual work to raise three children in his council house. Is he undeserving because he has has the odd cigarette? My sister works nights, brother in law 12 hour shifts as a security guard despite having weeping sores on his feet, my late mum worked for years nursing geriatrics, when she was pensioned off she cleaned public toilets to earn money. In the real world people are struggling badly and the Conservative policies have exacerbated this to cronic levels. I just cannot accept more of this just because of a vote 3 and a half years ago and a false perception that some people don't deserve or need help, that they should be 'encouraged' to do it themselves. Sorry, but it's bollox. Stuart, I have replied with a long text, pressed Send and my battery died grrrrr! I have to go out now then the Gas so will do it again asap. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 10, 2019 10:25:36 GMT
I'm a lifetime Labour voter and for the first time I'll be voting Tory. Why? Not because the Tories are great because they are not, but OMG look at the alternative. Corbyn made a speech where he gave the impression young people shouldn't have to work to get things. That is fundamentally wrong for the human being. Our self esteem relies on work and achievement not getting something for nothing. Yes the Tories smash the Unions and offer low paid wages, but each individual should rise to that challenge and get higher up the ladder. To say they can't do it is a reflection on them not the government. Corbyn and his promises of everything free for little effort just creates low self esteem, crime and a breakdown in society where people will want even more for even less effort. It won't work as it completely goes against how human beings function and create. As for the delusional Swinson well 17% sorry but it won't make you PM. So sadly the Tories imo are nearest to reality and that is why, quite incredibly, they will get my vote. Which speech was this? I see you stated "impression" and then went on as fact. Was the impression your interpretation or did he state what you believe he said? As for everything for free, like you I have had direct experience. When we first had our son, we had a number of medical specialists who could help, a local charity reasonably well supported, Surestart, amongst others. At the age of 3 he had major surgery at Frenchay. This has now been closed to sell off for housing and facilities moved into town where there is little parking. I know it was chosen to be sold off for financial gain as fact as I had people in the know. In 2009 we needed to spend a lot of money rebuilding our house to make it suitable, the Council helped a great deal with a case worker and a grant. The grant is tapered so should we move we have to pay some back. We also had to use our life savings and sell the car to pay for it, otherwise the work would have cost us both the lounge and garden to have room with no storage for equipment or a place to have some family time. And this is when money was available. Come forward a few years and getting even one small piece of equipment resized took three years and four case workers. There is no money. A friend is having fund raising events for their son every couple of weeks as the council will only cross match funding and even that is capped. Sure start lost, a self help group nearby is barely existing. My son's school is short and losing staff. Since 2010 we as a nation have lost 21,000 police (crime up) and 30,000 members of the armed forces, teaching gaps and 100,000 shortfall in the NHS. Nursing bursaries gone, massive increase in national debt, food banks were pretty unheard of before. Government isn't there to hand out but to give a helping hand, provide the basis in which people can help themselves. My politics is fairly middle-the-road, somewhere around Blair and Paddy Ashdown. I despise Corbyn and what he stands for but the way Cameron, May and now Johnson have gone about things is too little, too late, they have sacrificed so much of what ordinary hard working people need but have not suffered at all themselves. I have tried to better myself and my family such as doing privately professional qualifications. We have both gone part time to care, with the obvious reduction (halving) in salary, but life gets in the way. My brother gets up at 4 in the morning for a long shift of manual work to raise three children in his council house. Is he undeserving because he has has the odd cigarette? My sister works nights, brother in law 12 hour shifts as a security guard despite having weeping sores on his feet, my late mum worked for years nursing geriatrics, when she was pensioned off she cleaned public toilets to earn money. In the real world people are struggling badly and the Conservative policies have exacerbated this to cronic levels. I just cannot accept more of this just because of a vote 3 and a half years ago and a false perception that some people don't deserve or need help, that they should be 'encouraged' to do it themselves. Sorry, but it's bollox. Beautifully put Stuart. Our son has faced similar challenges and over the past 18 years we have had to fight for him every step of the way to withdrawing him from School and camping out side the Head of Education refusing to move until he saw us. The one saving grace has been the World Class treatment he has received at Alderhey in Liverpool. I like you am a middle of the road Labour voter, my issue is not only Corbyn but the real experience of living outside Wrexham which has the highest poverty rates amongst children but the Council has been subject over the past few years to a 40% cut in funding all under a devolved labour administration it beggars belief. I am a Governor at Joshs Special needs school the largest in Wales we have to raise funds to help feed the children as well as provide many other things that folk take for granted,it cannot be right So when I hear Labour spouting about support for those that need it I don't believe it . I have been fortunate to have had a very well paid position in Banking and this has allowed us to fight for justice for our son but the mental strain over the years has been incredible. I have no time for politicians when I see the suffering ALL party's knowingly inflict on those who cannot help themselves. 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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 10, 2019 10:52:47 GMT
Which speech was this? I see you stated "impression" and then went on as fact. Was the impression your interpretation or did he state what you believe he said? As for everything for free, like you I have had direct experience. When we first had our son, we had a number of medical specialists who could help, a local charity reasonably well supported, Surestart, amongst others. At the age of 3 he had major surgery at Frenchay. This has now been closed to sell off for housing and facilities moved into town where there is little parking. I know it was chosen to be sold off for financial gain as fact as I had people in the know. In 2009 we needed to spend a lot of money rebuilding our house to make it suitable, the Council helped a great deal with a case worker and a grant. The grant is tapered so should we move we have to pay some back. We also had to use our life savings and sell the car to pay for it, otherwise the work would have cost us both the lounge and garden to have room with no storage for equipment or a place to have some family time. And this is when money was available. Come forward a few years and getting even one small piece of equipment resized took three years and four case workers. There is no money. A friend is having fund raising events for their son every couple of weeks as the council will only cross match funding and even that is capped. Sure start lost, a self help group nearby is barely existing. My son's school is short and losing staff. Since 2010 we as a nation have lost 21,000 police (crime up) and 30,000 members of the armed forces, teaching gaps and 100,000 shortfall in the NHS. Nursing bursaries gone, massive increase in national debt, food banks were pretty unheard of before. Government isn't there to hand out but to give a helping hand, provide the basis in which people can help themselves. My politics is fairly middle-the-road, somewhere around Blair and Paddy Ashdown. I despise Corbyn and what he stands for but the way Cameron, May and now Johnson have gone about things is too little, too late, they have sacrificed so much of what ordinary hard working people need but have not suffered at all themselves. I have tried to better myself and my family such as doing privately professional qualifications. We have both gone part time to care, with the obvious reduction (halving) in salary, but life gets in the way. My brother gets up at 4 in the morning for a long shift of manual work to raise three children in his council house. Is he undeserving because he has has the odd cigarette? My sister works nights, brother in law 12 hour shifts as a security guard despite having weeping sores on his feet, my late mum worked for years nursing geriatrics, when she was pensioned off she cleaned public toilets to earn money. In the real world people are struggling badly and the Conservative policies have exacerbated this to cronic levels. I just cannot accept more of this just because of a vote 3 and a half years ago and a false perception that some people don't deserve or need help, that they should be 'encouraged' to do it themselves. Sorry, but it's bollox. Beautifully put Stuart. Our son has faced similar challenges and over the past 18 years we have had to fight for him every step of the way to withdrawing him from School and camping out side the Head of Education refusing to move until he saw us. The one saving grace has been the World Class treatment he has received at Alderhey in Liverpool. I like you am a middle of the road Labour voter, my issue is not only Corbyn but the real experience of living outside Wrexham which has the highest poverty rates amongst children but the Council has been subject over the past few years to a 40% cut in funding all under a devolved labour administration it beggars belief. I am a Governor at Joshs Special needs school the largest in Wales we have to raise funds to help feed the children as well as provide many other things that folk take for granted,it cannot be right So when I hear Labour spouting about support for those that need it I don't believe it . I have been fortunate to have had a very well paid position in Banking and this has allowed us to fight for justice for our son but the mental strain over the years has been incredible. I have no time for politicians when I see the suffering ALL party's knowingly inflict on those who cannot help themselves. I want to see REAL social justice but despair that it will happen in my lifetime. Apologiesfor the rant!! Thank you and likewise. We too have needed to challenge schooling, albeit with the council rather than the school itself and 'camped' inside the Council office until seen. We have the wherewithal to know how to do this but so many deserving people just can't and lose out. I agree wholeheartedly about the mental issues, the number of times I have had to complete forms explaining the reason we need help is because one day I will be attending his funeral. Makes me grateful for what we do have and proud of what we have achieved, I ask for little in return only that he wakes up in the morning. |
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Which speech was this? I see you stated "impression" and then went on as fact. Was the impression your interpretation or did he state what you believe he said? As for everything for free, like you I have had direct experience. When we first had our son, we had a number of medical specialists who could help, a local charity reasonably well supported, Surestart, amongst others. At the age of 3 he had major surgery at Frenchay. This has now been closed to sell off for housing and facilities moved into town where there is little parking. I know it was chosen to be sold off for financial gain as fact as I had people in the know. In 2009 we needed to spend a lot of money rebuilding our house to make it suitable, the Council helped a great deal with a case worker and a grant. The grant is tapered so should we move we have to pay some back. We also had to use our life savings and sell the car to pay for it, otherwise the work would have cost us both the lounge and garden to have room with no storage for equipment or a place to have some family time. And this is when money was available. Come forward a few years and getting even one small piece of equipment resized took three years and four case workers. There is no money. A friend is having fund raising events for their son every couple of weeks as the council will only cross match funding and even that is capped. Sure start lost, a self help group nearby is barely existing. My son's school is short and losing staff. Since 2010 we as a nation have lost 21,000 police (crime up) and 30,000 members of the armed forces, teaching gaps and 100,000 shortfall in the NHS. Nursing bursaries gone, massive increase in national debt, food banks were pretty unheard of before. Government isn't there to hand out but to give a helping hand, provide the basis in which people can help themselves. My politics is fairly middle-the-road, somewhere around Blair and Paddy Ashdown. I despise Corbyn and what he stands for but the way Cameron, May and now Johnson have gone about things is too little, too late, they have sacrificed so much of what ordinary hard working people need but have not suffered at all themselves. I have tried to better myself and my family such as doing privately professional qualifications. We have both gone part time to care, with the obvious reduction (halving) in salary, but life gets in the way. My brother gets up at 4 in the morning for a long shift of manual work to raise three children in his council house. Is he undeserving because he has has the odd cigarette? My sister works nights, brother in law 12 hour shifts as a security guard despite having weeping sores on his feet, my late mum worked for years nursing geriatrics, when she was pensioned off she cleaned public toilets to earn money. In the real world people are struggling badly and the Conservative policies have exacerbated this to cronic levels. I just cannot accept more of this just because of a vote 3 and a half years ago and a false perception that some people don't deserve or need help, that they should be 'encouraged' to do it themselves. Sorry, but it's bollox. Beautifully put Stuart. Our son has faced similar challenges and over the past 18 years we have had to fight for him every step of the way to withdrawing him from School and camping out side the Head of Education refusing to move until he saw us. The one saving grace has been the World Class treatment he has received at Alderhey in Liverpool. I like you am a middle of the road Labour voter, my issue is not only Corbyn but the real experience of living outside Wrexham which has the highest poverty rates amongst children but the Council has been subject over the past few years to a 40% cut in funding all under a devolved labour administration it beggars belief. I am a Governor at Joshs Special needs school the largest in Wales we have to raise funds to help feed the children as well as provide many other things that folk take for granted,it cannot be right So when I hear Labour spouting about support for those that need it I don't believe it . I have been fortunate to have had a very well paid position in Banking and this has allowed us to fight for justice for our son but the mental strain over the years has been incredible. I have no time for politicians when I see the suffering ALL party's knowingly inflict on those who cannot help themselves. I want to see REAL social justice but despair that it will happen in my lifetime. Apologiesfor the rant!! So another example of the impacts of the cuts in funding to social services. To put this in context "HM Treasury controls the overall level of public expenditure in the UK each year. A portion of the total funds raised throughout the UK and earmarked for public expenditure is allocated to Wales and this portion, known as the ‘block grant’, is the basis of the Welsh Government’s annual budget. " |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 10, 2019 11:11:27 GMT
Beautifully put Stuart. Our son has faced similar challenges and over the past 18 years we have had to fight for him every step of the way to withdrawing him from School and camping out side the Head of Education refusing to move until he saw us. The one saving grace has been the World Class treatment he has received at Alderhey in Liverpool. I like you am a middle of the road Labour voter, my issue is not only Corbyn but the real experience of living outside Wrexham which has the highest poverty rates amongst children but the Council has been subject over the past few years to a 40% cut in funding all under a devolved labour administration it beggars belief. I am a Governor at Joshs Special needs school the largest in Wales we have to raise funds to help feed the children as well as provide many other things that folk take for granted,it cannot be right So when I hear Labour spouting about support for those that need it I don't believe it . I have been fortunate to have had a very well paid position in Banking and this has allowed us to fight for justice for our son but the mental strain over the years has been incredible. I have no time for politicians when I see the suffering ALL party's knowingly inflict on those who cannot help themselves. I want to see REAL social justice but despair that it will happen in my lifetime. Apologiesfor the rant!! So another example of the impacts of the cuts in funding to social services. To put this in context "HM Treasury controls the overall level of public expenditure in the UK each year. A portion of the total funds raised throughout the UK and earmarked for public expenditure is allocated to Wales and this portion, known as the ‘block grant’, is the basis of the Welsh Government’s annual budget. I understand that Oldie but why oh why has Wrexham had the biggest real percentage reduction of all the LAs in Wales when it has the highest level of poverty. The impact on the ground for Social Services and Education has been catastrophic and this from a Labour Government. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 11:17:40 GMT
So another example of the impacts of the cuts in funding to social services. To put this in context "HM Treasury controls the overall level of public expenditure in the UK each year. A portion of the total funds raised throughout the UK and earmarked for public expenditure is allocated to Wales and this portion, known as the ‘block grant’, is the basis of the Welsh Government’s annual budget. I understand that Oldie but why oh why has Wrexham had the biggest real percentage reduction of all the LAs in Wales when it has the highest level of poverty. The impact on the ground for Social Services and Education has been catastrophic and this from a Labour Government. I cannot answer for how local authorities allocate their limited resources. For me it's the same question as why are operations cancelled, die to lack of resources. When we have the resources. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 10, 2019 11:20:46 GMT
Beautifully put Stuart. Our son has faced similar challenges and over the past 18 years we have had to fight for him every step of the way to withdrawing him from School and camping out side the Head of Education refusing to move until he saw us. The one saving grace has been the World Class treatment he has received at Alderhey in Liverpool. I like you am a middle of the road Labour voter, my issue is not only Corbyn but the real experience of living outside Wrexham which has the highest poverty rates amongst children but the Council has been subject over the past few years to a 40% cut in funding all under a devolved labour administration it beggars belief. I am a Governor at Joshs Special needs school the largest in Wales we have to raise funds to help feed the children as well as provide many other things that folk take for granted,it cannot be right So when I hear Labour spouting about support for those that need it I don't believe it . I have been fortunate to have had a very well paid position in Banking and this has allowed us to fight for justice for our son but the mental strain over the years has been incredible. I have no time for politicians when I see the suffering ALL party's knowingly inflict on those who cannot help themselves. I want to see REAL social justice but despair that it will happen in my lifetime. Apologiesfor the rant!! Thank you and likewise. We too have needed to challenge schooling, albeit with the council rather than the school itself and 'camped' inside the Council office until seen. We have the wherewithal to know how to do this but so many deserving people just can't and lose out. I agree wholeheartedly about the mental issues, the number of times I have had to complete forms explaining the reason we need help is because one day I will be attending his funeral. Makes me grateful for what we do have and proud of what we have achieved, I ask for little in return only that he wakes up in the morning. I know like you I could pour out a stream of incidents/decisions from the Agencies that should know better that folk would find hard to believe. Two comments on the mental challenges which if you don't have a disabled child you can understand but not the emotion that Parents like us have to live with. First, when you are told at the age of 2 that your child may not live and if they do they will require a lifetime of care in that moment your whole life changes and the menatal adjustment takes years. Second,what keeps me awake at night is who will look after him when we're not here as he is so vulnerable that never goes away . We cherish every moment we have with him even though it can be a roller coaster. All the best and keep well |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 10, 2019 11:23:55 GMT
I cannot answer for how local authorities allocate their limited resources. For me it's the same question as why are operations cancelled, die to lack of resources. When we have the resources. If I was being really cynical I would say it's because folk don't have the will or capacity to fight it so it's an easy target both at local level and centrally. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 11:30:37 GMT
If I was being really cynical I would say it's because folk don't have the will or capacity to fight it so it's an easy target both at local level and centrally. Not cynical at all. It's clear that the Tories have an abject disdain for the poorer members of our society. Rees-Mogg, being a bit thick, blurted it out on the radio last week |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 10, 2019 11:55:45 GMT
Thank you and likewise. We too have needed to challenge schooling, albeit with the council rather than the school itself and 'camped' inside the Council office until seen. We have the wherewithal to know how to do this but so many deserving people just can't and lose out. I agree wholeheartedly about the mental issues, the number of times I have had to complete forms explaining the reason we need help is because one day I will be attending his funeral. Makes me grateful for what we do have and proud of what we have achieved, I ask for little in return only that he wakes up in the morning. I know like you I could pour out a stream of incidents/decisions from the Agencies that should know better that folk would find hard to believe. Two comments on the mental challenges which if you don't have a disabled child you can understand but not the emotion that Parents like us have to live with. First, when you are told at the age of 2 that your child may not live and if they do they will require a lifetime of care in that moment your whole life changes and the menatal adjustment takes years. Second,what keeps me awake at night is who will look after him when we're not here as he is so vulnerable that never goes away . We cherish every moment we have with him even though it can be a roller coaster. All the best and keep well Thanks. In answer to your comments, firstly the liaison at the hospital spoke about this on R4 some time ago, parents of special needs children are in mourning from day one as the child in question us not the one planned for, all of the dreams and aspirations before are lost. On tbe second point, I totally understand and is a concern I share. I am somewhat lucky though in that the doctor 'reassured' me that I will outlive him. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 10, 2019 11:56:55 GMT
If I was being really cynical I would say it's because folk don't have the will or capacity to fight it so it's an easy target both at local level and centrally. Is the Welsh Assembly Cardiff centric? |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 10, 2019 12:09:54 GMT
Is the Welsh Assembly Cardiff centric? I think it's South Wales centric as that is where the vast majority of the population live,akin to the Westminster government |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 10, 2019 12:11:34 GMT
I know like you I could pour out a stream of incidents/decisions from the Agencies that should know better that folk would find hard to believe. Two comments on the mental challenges which if you don't have a disabled child you can understand but not the emotion that Parents like us have to live with. First, when you are told at the age of 2 that your child may not live and if they do they will require a lifetime of care in that moment your whole life changes and the menatal adjustment takes years. Second,what keeps me awake at night is who will look after him when we're not here as he is so vulnerable that never goes away . We cherish every moment we have with him even though it can be a roller coaster. All the best and keep well Thanks. In answer to your comments, firstly the liaison at the hospital spoke about this on R4 some time ago, parents of special needs children are in mourning from day one as the child in question us not the one planned for, all of the dreams and aspirations before are lost. On tbe second point, I totally understand and is a concern I share. I am somewhat lucky though in that the doctor 'reassured' me that I will outlive him. Wow Stuart I wouldn't call that lucky but I understand. |
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