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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 9, 2019 14:24:13 GMT
Yes, Tory policy has clearly worked over the last 10 years for self esteem of the individual and the collective. What a crock of absolute sh**e. Althepirate made a reasonable case there. He explained his reasoning and why he will vote the way he will.......and your response is "what a crock of absolute sh1t". Well done Officer, well done. I really wouldnt value your blessing on anything I write nobby so no great loss to be honest. I've seen plenty of posts by yourself telling Oldie to f off or calling him a twat so why dont you pop down from your righteous perch when you're ready. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 14:27:07 GMT
Althepirate made a reasonable case there. He explained his reasoning and why he will vote the way he will.......and your response is "what a crock of absolute sh1t". Well done Officer, well done. I really wouldnt value your blessing on anything I write nobby so no great loss to be honest. I've seen plenty of posts by yourself telling Oldie to f off or calling him a twat so why dont you pop down from your righteous perch when you're ready. Yes, but it is usually in response to some nonsense he has posted. Althepirate made a reasonable post. Your response did not show you in a good light. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 9, 2019 14:30:59 GMT
I really wouldnt value your blessing on anything I write nobby so no great loss to be honest. I've seen plenty of posts by yourself telling Oldie to f off or calling him a twat so why dont you pop down from your righteous perch when you're ready. Yes, but it is usually in response to some nonsense he has posted. Althepirate made a reasonable post. Your response did not show you in a good light. Can I virtually shrug? It was a ridiculous sixth-form level psychological take on how being abandoned by society is good for self esteem. I'm surprised you think it was a compelling argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 14:40:54 GMT
Yes, but it is usually in response to some nonsense he has posted. Althepirate made a reasonable post. Your response did not show you in a good light. Can I virtually shrug? It was a ridiculous sixth-form level psychological take on how being abandoned by society is good for self esteem. I'm surprised you think it was a compelling argument. Where was your counter argument? Why don't you tell us why youngsters should not aim high? Why should they be happy to be given a council home? Why is it good for the State to be big and supply you with everything you need? Tell us why you do not need to look after your health? Because these are the very things that Corbyn is claiming. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 9, 2019 14:46:00 GMT
Can I virtually shrug? It was a ridiculous sixth-form level psychological take on how being abandoned by society is good for self esteem. I'm surprised you think it was a compelling argument. Where was your counter argument? Why don't you tell us why youngsters should not aim high? Why should they be happy to be given a council home? Why is it good for the State to be big and supply you with everything you need? Tell us why you do not need to look after your health? Because these are the very things that Corbyn is claiming. No nobby, that's your take on what he said which fits your ultra-conservative narrative. As you know. It was quite clear he was talking about how he intends to support people more with health education and housing. But as always, you hear what you want to hear. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 15:38:24 GMT
Yes, Tory policy has clearly worked over the last 10 years for self esteem of the individual and the collective. What a crock of absolute sh**e. Althepirate made a reasonable case there. He explained his reasoning and why he will vote the way he will.......and your response is "what a crock of absolute sh1t". Well done Officer, well done. Reasonably worded I agree. Incredibly naive and without foundation however. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 15:40:56 GMT
I really wouldnt value your blessing on anything I write nobby so no great loss to be honest. I've seen plenty of posts by yourself telling Oldie to f off or calling him a twat so why dont you pop down from your righteous perch when you're ready. Yes, but it is usually in response to some nonsense he has posted. Althepirate made a reasonable post. Your response did not show you in a good light. I take your opinion of me, but is the good officer not afforded the same privilege of Al? |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 9, 2019 16:52:05 GMT
Althepirate made a reasonable case there. He explained his reasoning and why he will vote the way he will.......and your response is "what a crock of absolute sh1t". Well done Officer, well done. Reasonably worded I agree. Incredibly naive and without foundation however. I notice the opposition call us names and assume things about us which aren't true. My opinions are based on what I see and hear on a daily basis in the real world not what is spoken and written in the media. I therefore think naive is a wrong assumption and the foundation is from reality, not a journalists keyboard. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 17:07:26 GMT
Where was your counter argument? Why don't you tell us why youngsters should not aim high? Why should they be happy to be given a council home? Why is it good for the State to be big and supply you with everything you need? Tell us why you do not need to look after your health? Because these are the very things that Corbyn is claiming. No nobby, that's your take on what he said which fits your ultra-conservative narrative. As you know. It was quite clear he was talking about how he intends to support people more with health education and housing. But as always, you hear what you want to hear. and....repeat.... Where was your counter argument? Why don't you tell us why youngsters should not aim high? Why should they be happy to be given a council home? Why is it good for the State to be big and supply you with everything you need? Tell us why you do not need to look after your health? Because these are the very things that Corbyn is claiming. |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 9, 2019 17:28:52 GMT
Exactly aim higher. This is what I'm saying. If a person is psychically and mentally healthy to work he can't expect the government to give him things. If he creates and gives to the government as opposed to taking and not giving anything back which one do you think feels better and happier? Al, I dont believe you think that anyone wants to live "poor". There will always be wastrels, was ever thus, but the vast majority of people want the best life and living standard they can achieve. What we must do, surely, is remove the road blocks that prevent them from achieving their ambition. If you grow up in an area where schools are underfunded, terrible facilities, short of staff, teaching materials, what do you think the standard of educational attainment will be? What do you think the impact on their earnings potential will be? Similarly if, as a parent you are in a relatively low paying job causing extreme pressure on your ability to afford housing, if your local health authority does not have the resources to care for your family to a standard worthy of a top 6 by economy nation, if your kids education is as described above, what do you think the outcomes are likely to be? It's not about "giving" things to anyone, its whether as a society, one that can afford it, we believe in ensuring the basics of a civilised society are there for everyone, regardless of income. I believe those basics are Housing, Health and Education. Take care of that, the rest takes care of itself. The Tories have *ed Housing, Health and Education. Vote for them and get the opposite of what you wish for. Oldie, it's my opinion that the vast majority of people get the life they think they can achieve. Also lots of people are very happy living in so called poor areas because they have an amazing community and are very satisfied with that. If they are unwell the NHS treats everyone the same an incredible plus for this country. I have been very lucky to have mixed with all types of people in my life and what I see is poorer people being just as able as better off people, only held back by themselves for many reasons. Many people have chosen not to make the sacrifices necessary to have a better life. This is true by some on benefits who do not pursue the extra money that is available to them. Imo it is more complex than to just blame the government whoever is in power. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 17:45:53 GMT
Al, I dont believe you think that anyone wants to live "poor". There will always be wastrels, was ever thus, but the vast majority of people want the best life and living standard they can achieve. What we must do, surely, is remove the road blocks that prevent them from achieving their ambition. If you grow up in an area where schools are underfunded, terrible facilities, short of staff, teaching materials, what do you think the standard of educational attainment will be? What do you think the impact on their earnings potential will be? Similarly if, as a parent you are in a relatively low paying job causing extreme pressure on your ability to afford housing, if your local health authority does not have the resources to care for your family to a standard worthy of a top 6 by economy nation, if your kids education is as described above, what do you think the outcomes are likely to be? It's not about "giving" things to anyone, its whether as a society, one that can afford it, we believe in ensuring the basics of a civilised society are there for everyone, regardless of income. I believe those basics are Housing, Health and Education. Take care of that, the rest takes care of itself. The Tories have *ed Housing, Health and Education. Vote for them and get the opposite of what you wish for. Oldie, it's my opinion that the vast majority of people get the life they think they can achieve. Also lots of people are very happy living in so called poor areas because they have an amazing community and are very satisfied with that. If they are unwell the NHS treats everyone the same an incredible plus for this country. I have been very lucky to have mixed with all types of people in my life and what I see is poorer people being just as able as better off people, only held back by themselves for many reasons. Many people have chosen not to make the sacrifices necessary to have a better life. This is true by some on benefits who do not pursue the extra money that is available to them. Imo it is more complex than to just blame the government whoever is in power. I agree self motivation is as important. But I would point you to the changes in society after 1948 and the advent of the NHS, the investment in new comprehensive schools in the 50s and 60s, the availability of social housing (if my memory serves me correctly we built 200,000 social houses that year 1979). Compare the outcomes to life styles in the 20's and 30's. I was a huge beneficiary of all that, brought up in a perfectly adequate council home in Knowle, went to a comprehensive, my parents received health care for them and their family at the point of need and without undue delay ( within the constraints of technology at the time). University, was fully funded. Yes, I am a baby boomer. Look what happened. Would you deny that to others? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 9, 2019 17:48:03 GMT
No nobby, that's your take on what he said which fits your ultra-conservative narrative. As you know. It was quite clear he was talking about how he intends to support people more with health education and housing. But as always, you hear what you want to hear. and....repeat.... Where was your counter argument? Why don't you tell us why youngsters should not aim high? Why should they be happy to be given a council home? Why is it good for the State to be big and supply you with everything you need? Tell us why you do not need to look after your health? Because these are the very things that Corbyn is claiming. And repeat. No, that's your interpretation to support your ultra-conservative narrative. Corbyn never said you shouldn't aim high. He never said dont look after your health. As if. Hes saying you dont have to worry about your health I.e. if you get sick you'll have a decent healthcare service. It's so blindingly obvious that I can only assume that as per usual you are arguing a point you dont actually believe because it suits your narrative. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 18:06:29 GMT
and....repeat.... Where was your counter argument? Why don't you tell us why youngsters should not aim high? Why should they be happy to be given a council home? Why is it good for the State to be big and supply you with everything you need? Tell us why you do not need to look after your health? Because these are the very things that Corbyn is claiming. And repeat. No, that's your interpretation to support your ultra-conservative narrative. Corbyn never said you shouldn't aim high. He never said dont look after your health. As if. Hes saying you dont have to worry about your health I.e. if you get sick you'll have a decent healthcare service. It's so blindingly obvious that I can only assume that as per usual you are arguing a point you dont actually believe because it suits your narrative. Have you heard or read the transcript of his speech? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 18:18:56 GMT
Yes, but it is usually in response to some nonsense he has posted. Althepirate made a reasonable post. Your response did not show you in a good light. Can I virtually shrug? It was a ridiculous sixth-form level psychological take on how being abandoned by society is good for self esteem. I'm surprised you think it was a compelling argument. I’m sure his “ridiculous sixth form level psychology” would have been welcomed and applauded if it matched your beliefs. It didn’t so instead we get the usual dismissive, disrespectful, pompous left responses. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 18:19:57 GMT
And repeat. No, that's your interpretation to support your ultra-conservative narrative. Corbyn never said you shouldn't aim high. He never said dont look after your health. As if. Hes saying you dont have to worry about your health I.e. if you get sick you'll have a decent healthcare service. It's so blindingly obvious that I can only assume that as per usual you are arguing a point you dont actually believe because it suits your narrative. Have you heard or read the transcript of his speech? For those of us that cannot be assed to look up what he actually said, why not quote it Nobby |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 18:21:12 GMT
Can I virtually shrug? It was a ridiculous sixth-form level psychological take on how being abandoned by society is good for self esteem. I'm surprised you think it was a compelling argument. I’m sure his “ridiculous sixth form level psychology” would have been welcomed and applauded if it matched your beliefs. It didn’t so instead we get the usual dismissive, disrespectful, pompous left responses. Was that a bugle I hear? Cavalry to the rescue? |
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Post by aghast on Nov 9, 2019 18:31:35 GMT
I'm a lifetime Labour voter and for the first time I'll be voting Tory. Why? Not because the Tories are great because they are not, but OMG look at the alternative. Corbyn made a speech where he gave the impression young people shouldn't have to work to get things. That is fundamentally wrong for the human being. Our self esteem relies on work and achievement not getting something for nothing. Yes the Tories smash the Unions and offer low paid wages, but each individual should rise to that challenge and get higher up the ladder. To say they can't do it is a reflection on them not the government. Corbyn and his promises of everything free for little effort just creates low self esteem, crime and a breakdown in society where people will want even more for even less effort. It won't work as it completely goes against how human beings function and create. As for the delusional Swinson well 17% sorry but it won't make you PM. So sadly the Tories imo are nearest to reality and that is why, quite incredibly, they will get my vote. To say you've been a lifetime Labour voter, and to then write all that follows, suggests to me you must have been a very, very confused lifetime Labour voter. You do know the Tories have been there for yonks with policies that suit you? |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 9, 2019 18:35:47 GMT
Oldie, it's my opinion that the vast majority of people get the life they think they can achieve. Also lots of people are very happy living in so called poor areas because they have an amazing community and are very satisfied with that. If they are unwell the NHS treats everyone the same an incredible plus for this country. I have been very lucky to have mixed with all types of people in my life and what I see is poorer people being just as able as better off people, only held back by themselves for many reasons. Many people have chosen not to make the sacrifices necessary to have a better life. This is true by some on benefits who do not pursue the extra money that is available to them. Imo it is more complex than to just blame the government whoever is in power. I agree self motivation is as important. But I would point you to the changes in society after 1948 and the advent of the NHS, the investment in new comprehensive schools in the 50s and 60s, the availability of social housing (if my memory serves me correctly we built 200,000 social houses that year 1979). Compare the outcomes to life styles in the 20's and 30's. I was a huge beneficiary of all that, brought up in a perfectly adequate council home in Knowle, went to a comprehensive, my parents received health care for them and their family at the point of need and without undue delay ( within the constraints of technology at the time). University, was fully funded. Yes, I am a baby boomer. Look what happened. Would you deny that to others? Of course not. Those things were fantastic and what I voted for every year of my life. We only grew in later years because of personal debt. No one could really afford a car but we could borrowed the money for one, this is where it became unreal. I don't expect your parents had much, but also no debt? In later years it caught up with us. I've often wondered how much a house would be now if no one could borrow the money to get one? The majority of people and the country has lived beyond its means for 50 years. It was always going to catch up. If you're in a hole the only answer is to work harder to get out. Corbyn's answer seems to be do less. |
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Post by althepirate on Nov 9, 2019 18:42:25 GMT
I'm a lifetime Labour voter and for the first time I'll be voting Tory. Why? Not because the Tories are great because they are not, but OMG look at the alternative. Corbyn made a speech where he gave the impression young people shouldn't have to work to get things. That is fundamentally wrong for the human being. Our self esteem relies on work and achievement not getting something for nothing. Yes the Tories smash the Unions and offer low paid wages, but each individual should rise to that challenge and get higher up the ladder. To say they can't do it is a reflection on them not the government. Corbyn and his promises of everything free for little effort just creates low self esteem, crime and a breakdown in society where people will want even more for even less effort. It won't work as it completely goes against how human beings function and create. As for the delusional Swinson well 17% sorry but it won't make you PM. So sadly the Tories imo are nearest to reality and that is why, quite incredibly, they will get my vote. To say you've been a lifetime Labour voter, and to then write all that follows, suggests to me you must have been a very, very confused lifetime Labour voter. You do know the Tories have been there for yonks with policies that suit you? Not at all confused. I'm a mor Labour voter not a left wing voter. The Tories at the present are the nearest to the way I think and are the only major party to listen and try and get through a democratic vote by the people of this country. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 19:10:09 GMT
Have you heard or read the transcript of his speech? For those of us that cannot be assed to look up what he actually said, why not quote it Nobby How can you be arguing about this if you don't even know what he said? |
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