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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 11:33:17 GMT
I watched that, as predicted once taken off the well worn and practiced responses to independence, she fell apart on her actual record. I can wait for Boris Johnson to be under the spotlight in the same way. "So, Mr Johnson, under the Tory regime since 2010, how many homeless people have died on the streets? How many families are living in containers? Did you sacrifice the police force to the tune of 20,000 officers in the name of austerity? Did abandoning the nurseries for nurses have a serious impact on NHS care since you did that? Why is it that real wages have only just risen to that of 2008? How come you doubled the national debt since 2010, and what benefit is there going to be for borrowing £11billion, last month? Finally, how many kids do you have and do you pay pole dancers for sex? Go on Andrew, ask the c***t This might make good supplemental reading: www.bbc.com/news/uk-50554214Mind you I'll be surprised if he goes on Andrew Neil's show, Boris so far is running from GMB and, along with Farage, is ducking a climate change specific leader's debate on Channel 4. Not surprising that one as I doubt the over 65's give a sh** about the environment so there isn't much to lose. Corbyn tonight on Neil's show should be car crash stuff. And Jesus Christ I've just watched 10 minutes of Nicky Morgan trying to convince everyone that if you have 50,000 nurses, take 19,000 away and then bring the 19,000 back you've got more nurses than you started with. Kill me now. What is GMB? Genuine question. I cannot see any reason for any Tory politician to appear on Channel 4. Their political stance is well-known and as for Farage I doubt he'll appear on Channel 4 again after they stitched him up on his last appearance with them. No way will Johnson go on Channel 4. As for the 50,000 Nurses, why oh why can't politicians just be honest. Common sense says that you won't get 50,000 from putting adverts in the Job Centre. It will take years to train them, plus this nonsense about Nurses needing a Degree is absurd. Do people expect the Government to rob Third World countries of their Nursing Staff? Getting another 50,000 Nurses will not happen overnight. It will not happen in the next four to five years, it will take time ! Why can't they just say this? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 11:41:27 GMT
I can personally be directly linked to Shania Twain, but it means feck all ! What do you mean by 'directly linked'? The wife of a "Vladimir Putin ally" (quote from the Telegraph) is giving money to the Tories. Whilst they are suppressing a report that is said (by the Sunday times) to reveal funding links with Russian security services. But obviously there is nothing to see here.... Once again, how is Johnson 'directly linked' to Putin.....or is that it? |
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Post by baggins on Nov 26, 2019 12:02:28 GMT
The wife of a "Vladimir Putin ally" (quote from the Telegraph) is giving money to the Tories. Whilst they are suppressing a report that is said (by the Sunday times) to reveal funding links with Russian security services. But obviously there is nothing to see here.... Once again, how is Johnson 'directly linked' to Putin.....or is that it? I guess the only link is that he's Head of the Conservative Party? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 12:06:43 GMT
The wife of a "Vladimir Putin ally" (quote from the Telegraph) is giving money to the Tories. Whilst they are suppressing a report that is said (by the Sunday times) to reveal funding links with Russian security services. But obviously there is nothing to see here.... Once again, how is Johnson 'directly linked' to Putin.....or is that it? Is that not enough to raise question marks or have we become so inured to politician hi-jinks that we just stand for anything these days? We all know how Russia works, anyone connected with the Kremlin (as her husband blatantly is) is in Putin's pocket. As I said, if that on it's own is suspicious at the very least then the fact they won't release this report during the election sets klaxons off especially given what has come out about Russia's connections to Trump, but I suppose you think that's all a load of smoke and mirrors too? Christ if this was Corbyn or the Lib Dems you can bet your bottom dollar the Express, Torygraph and Daily Heil would be all over it and it wouldn't be a case of "Is that it?" |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 12:20:08 GMT
Once again, how is Johnson 'directly linked' to Putin.....or is that it? Is that not enough to raise question marks or have we become so inured to politician hi-jinks that we just stand for anything these days? We all know how Russia works, anyone connected with the Kremlin (as her husband blatantly is) is in Putin's pocket. As I said, if that on it's own is suspicious at the very least then the fact they won't release this report during the election sets klaxons off especially given what has come out about Russia's connections to Trump, but I suppose you think that's all a load of smoke and mirrors too? Christ if this was Corbyn or the Lib Dems you can bet your bottom dollar the Express, Torygraph and Daily Heil would be all over it and it wouldn't be a case of "Is that it?" Um...you are aware that the Democratic led investigation regarding Trump and 'the Russians' didn't find anything! It is now a non-story. The real issue there was why the Democratic Party in the USA kept 123456789 as the password for their Server, which was hacked. The hacking revealed they stitched-up their own process to ensure Clinton got the Nomination. That was a scandal that got conveniently forgotten about, plus the 'Secret' information she kept on her private server which should never have been there, which was also hacked. The 'Russians' donating to the Tory Party are British Citizen's. Are you suggesting that any migrants into the UK should have no say in the future of the country? Not allowed to donate to any political party, not allowed to vote? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:41:06 GMT
I can personally be directly linked to Shania Twain, but it means feck all ! What do you mean by 'directly linked'? The wife of a "Vladimir Putin ally" (quote from the Telegraph) is giving money to the Tories. Whilst they are suppressing a report that is said (by the Sunday times) to reveal funding links with Russian security services. But obviously there is nothing to see here.... And that constitutes a direct link between Boris and Putin? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:52:33 GMT
The wife of a "Vladimir Putin ally" (quote from the Telegraph) is giving money to the Tories. Whilst they are suppressing a report that is said (by the Sunday times) to reveal funding links with Russian security services. But obviously there is nothing to see here.... And that constitutes a direct link between Boris and Putin? and the FSB apparently! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:53:07 GMT
Tonight on the Andrew Neil show is Mr Jeremy Corbyn. That could be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 14:21:43 GMT
Tonight on the Andrew Neil show is Mr Jeremy Corbyn. That could be interesting. Indeed it will. I wonder if Andrew will bring this up? General election: Labour’s spending plans backed by more than 160 economists and academics flip.it/Le3_qA"They called for a Labour government to urgently reform Britain’s economy which has, for too long, prioritised consumption over investment, short-term financial returns over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages, and deficit reduction over the quality of public services." You think? Late edit. Or, we could do none of that and follow the private insurance route for Health Care as advocated on here recently. You think? 34 million Americans know someone who died after being unable to pay for medical treatment flip.it/UJLK2R |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 16:03:20 GMT
Is that not enough to raise question marks or have we become so inured to politician hi-jinks that we just stand for anything these days? We all know how Russia works, anyone connected with the Kremlin (as her husband blatantly is) is in Putin's pocket. As I said, if that on it's own is suspicious at the very least then the fact they won't release this report during the election sets klaxons off especially given what has come out about Russia's connections to Trump, but I suppose you think that's all a load of smoke and mirrors too? Christ if this was Corbyn or the Lib Dems you can bet your bottom dollar the Express, Torygraph and Daily Heil would be all over it and it wouldn't be a case of "Is that it?" Um...you are aware that the Democratic led investigation regarding Trump and 'the Russians' didn't find anything! It is now a non-story. The real issue there was why the Democratic Party in the USA kept 123456789 as the password for their Server, which was hacked. The hacking revealed they stitched-up their own process to ensure Clinton got the Nomination. That was a scandal that got conveniently forgotten about, plus the 'Secret' information she kept on her private server which should never have been there, which was also hacked. The 'Russians' donating to the Tory Party are British Citizen's. Are you suggesting that any migrants into the UK should have no say in the future of the country? Not allowed to donate to any political party, not allowed to vote? Oh pffft, British citizen- bought and paid for no doubt. On the international stage Britain these days is little better than the likes of Malta and St Kitts and Nevis, whoring out passports to the highest bidder. The fact that we give citizenship to people who worked for Putin just shows how much we value ourselves and our security, especially in light of the polonium and Novichok acts that have taken place in the Uk over the last 20 years. Expelling their diplomats was obviously just putting lipstick on a pig. Strewth. Is there no low the British establishment won’t sink to for money? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 16:57:50 GMT
Tonight on the Andrew Neil show is Mr Jeremy Corbyn. That could be interesting. Indeed it will. I wonder if Andrew will bring this up? General election: Labour’s spending plans backed by more than 160 economists and academics flip.it/Le3_qA"They called for a Labour government to urgently reform Britain’s economy which has, for too long, prioritised consumption over investment, short-term financial returns over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages, and deficit reduction over the quality of public services." You think? Late edit. Or, we could do none of that and follow the private insurance route for Health Care as advocated on here recently. You think? 34 million Americans know someone who died after being unable to pay for medical treatment flip.it/UJLK2RFor God's sake. Why do you think that ANY Private Healthcare system has to be the same as the US? I thought you were more mature instead of following this amateurish line? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 16:59:07 GMT
Um...you are aware that the Democratic led investigation regarding Trump and 'the Russians' didn't find anything! It is now a non-story. The real issue there was why the Democratic Party in the USA kept 123456789 as the password for their Server, which was hacked. The hacking revealed they stitched-up their own process to ensure Clinton got the Nomination. That was a scandal that got conveniently forgotten about, plus the 'Secret' information she kept on her private server which should never have been there, which was also hacked. The 'Russians' donating to the Tory Party are British Citizen's. Are you suggesting that any migrants into the UK should have no say in the future of the country? Not allowed to donate to any political party, not allowed to vote? Oh pffft, British citizen- bought and paid for no doubt. On the international stage Britain these days is little better than the likes of Malta and St Kitts and Nevis, whoring out passports to the highest bidder. The fact that we give citizenship to people who worked for Putin just shows how much we value ourselves and our security, especially in light of the polonium and Novichok acts that have taken place in the Uk over the last 20 years. Expelling their diplomats was obviously just putting lipstick on a pig. Strewth. Is there no low the British establishment won’t sink to for money? I think you'll find it was the last Labour government that got caught handing out British passports for favours. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 17:03:55 GMT
Indeed it will. I wonder if Andrew will bring this up? General election: Labour’s spending plans backed by more than 160 economists and academics flip.it/Le3_qA"They called for a Labour government to urgently reform Britain’s economy which has, for too long, prioritised consumption over investment, short-term financial returns over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages, and deficit reduction over the quality of public services." You think? Late edit. Or, we could do none of that and follow the private insurance route for Health Care as advocated on here recently. You think? 34 million Americans know someone who died after being unable to pay for medical treatment flip.it/UJLK2RFor God's sake. Why do you think that ANY Private Healthcare system has to be the same as the US? I thought you were more mature instead of following this amateurish line? You might think what you like. What I base my judgement upon is the actions over the last 9 years of the current regime when it comes to health care, and, as importantly the economic beliefs of the right wing in the Tory Party, such as the ERG, who advocate an unfettered free market. If that's not true, show me where I am wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 17:23:20 GMT
For God's sake. Why do you think that ANY Private Healthcare system has to be the same as the US? I thought you were more mature instead of following this amateurish line? You might think what you like. What I base my judgement upon is the actions over the last 9 years of the current regime when it comes to health care, and, as importantly the economic beliefs of the right wing in the Tory Party, such as the ERG, who advocate an unfettered free market. If that's not true, show me where I am wrong. Because you know, and even the Americans know that their system is deeply flawed, but it is what it is. To change it would take a superhuman effort. Just like the NHS in fact. Nobody, not a single person, has advocated adopting the US system. Please prove me wrong, because you certainly are. The truth is that it was the Labour Government that sold the first NHS hospital. It was a Labour government that first offered many NHS contracts to the private sector. It was a Labour government that signed many PFI contracts that are now costing the NHS a fortune, and PFI is private in effect? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 17:31:01 GMT
You might think what you like. What I base my judgement upon is the actions over the last 9 years of the current regime when it comes to health care, and, as importantly the economic beliefs of the right wing in the Tory Party, such as the ERG, who advocate an unfettered free market. If that's not true, show me where I am wrong. Because you know, and even the Americans know that their system is deeply flawed, but it is what it is. To change it would take a superhuman effort. Just like the NHS in fact. Nobody, not a single person, has advocated adopting the US system. Please prove me wrong, because you certainly are. The truth is that it was the Labour Government that sold the first NHS hospital. It was a Labour government that first offered many NHS contracts to the private sector. It was a Labour government that signed many PFI contracts that are now costing the NHS a fortune, and PFI is private in effect? The herculean effort to reform the American Health System was undertaken by Obama. Only for a lot of it to be undone the the dope on a rope, Donald Trump and his alt right buddies. As far as what has happened here, you are quite right to point out that under a Centre Right Labour Government Blair / Brown resorted to the private sector to PROCURE services to speed up the recovery left by the preceding Tory Government, a situation where our health care was in a state of disarray in 97. But the context was raising funding by an average of 6% per annum, in real terms after 2002. What has happened since 2009 is the opposite, and now we have the ERG in the cabinet who actually think Patrick Minford is intelligent, and actually believe the Laffer Curve exists. You telling me all that is not true? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 17:52:13 GMT
Because you know, and even the Americans know that their system is deeply flawed, but it is what it is. To change it would take a superhuman effort. Just like the NHS in fact. Nobody, not a single person, has advocated adopting the US system. Please prove me wrong, because you certainly are. The truth is that it was the Labour Government that sold the first NHS hospital. It was a Labour government that first offered many NHS contracts to the private sector. It was a Labour government that signed many PFI contracts that are now costing the NHS a fortune, and PFI is private in effect? The herculean effort to reform the American Health System was undertaken by Obama. Only for a lot of it to be undone the the dope on a rope, Donald Trump and his alt right buddies. As far as what has happened here, you are quite right to point out that under a Centre Right Labour Government Blair / Brown resorted to the private sector to PROCURE services to speed up the recovery left by the preceding Tory Government, a situation where our health care was in a state of disarray in 97. But the context was raising funding by an average of 6% per annum, in real terms after 2002. What has happened since 2009 is the opposite, and now we have the ERG in the cabinet who actually think Patrick Minford is intelligent, and actually believe the Laffer Curve exists. You telling me all that is not true? Utter nonsense Oldie. Complete and utter nonsense. I thought you were better than this. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 18:01:22 GMT
Oh pffft, British citizen- bought and paid for no doubt. On the international stage Britain these days is little better than the likes of Malta and St Kitts and Nevis, whoring out passports to the highest bidder. The fact that we give citizenship to people who worked for Putin just shows how much we value ourselves and our security, especially in light of the polonium and Novichok acts that have taken place in the Uk over the last 20 years. Expelling their diplomats was obviously just putting lipstick on a pig. Strewth. Is there no low the British establishment won’t sink to for money? I think you'll find it was the last Labour government that got caught handing out British passports for favours. From what I’ve read it was the Tories in the early 90s who thought that we could do with selling out to Ivan as a way of cultivating investment- no doubt it was the newly minted oligarch class fresh from the fall of communism that they had their eye on to come over here and launder their ill gotten gains in our property and financial system. And of course yesterday’s Russian oligarch is tomorrow’s British ex-Russian oligarch and Tory donor. Thus it all comes full circle. Anyway, even if Labour had something to do with it the issue of Russians who used to work for Putin (and others besides) buying citizenship is ludicrous and whoever was involved should hang their heads in shame. There is a Guardian piece (so I take it with somewhat of a pinch of salt) that claimed that there weren’t even checks done on the 3,000 who bought into the 2 million British investment === visa scheme |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 18:39:38 GMT
I think you'll find it was the last Labour government that got caught handing out British passports for favours. From what I’ve read it was the Tories in the early 90s who thought that we could do with selling out to Ivan as a way of cultivating investment- no doubt it was the newly minted oligarch class fresh from the fall of communism that they had their eye on to come over here and launder their ill gotten gains in our property and financial system. And of course yesterday’s Russian oligarch is tomorrow’s British ex-Russian oligarch and Tory donor. Thus it all comes full circle. Anyway, even if Labour had something to do with it the issue of Russians who used to work for Putin (and others besides) buying citizenship is ludicrous and whoever was involved should hang their heads in shame. There is a Guardian piece (so I take it with somewhat of a pinch of salt) that claimed that there weren’t even checks done on the 3,000 who bought into the 2 million British investment === visa scheme Oh stop it with this Russian nonsense. Either present proof or knock this absurd conspiracy theory on the head. It was Peter Mandleson who had to resign over the passport issue, from the Labour government. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:00:07 GMT
From what I’ve read it was the Tories in the early 90s who thought that we could do with selling out to Ivan as a way of cultivating investment- no doubt it was the newly minted oligarch class fresh from the fall of communism that they had their eye on to come over here and launder their ill gotten gains in our property and financial system. And of course yesterday’s Russian oligarch is tomorrow’s British ex-Russian oligarch and Tory donor. Thus it all comes full circle. Anyway, even if Labour had something to do with it the issue of Russians who used to work for Putin (and others besides) buying citizenship is ludicrous and whoever was involved should hang their heads in shame. There is a Guardian piece (so I take it with somewhat of a pinch of salt) that claimed that there weren’t even checks done on the 3,000 who bought into the 2 million British investment === visa scheme Oh stop it with this Russian nonsense. Either present proof or knock this absurd conspiracy theory on the head. It was Peter Mandleson who had to resign over the passport issue, from the Labour government. “ In the wake of Russia’s state-sanctioned poison attack in Salisbury, the government announced it would review all 700 visas given out to Russian nationals between the scheme’s launch in 2008 and 2015, because of concerns about money laundering and national security.” www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/17/golden-passports-firm-was-consulted-by-government-over-investor-visas“ The right of more than 700 wealthy Russians to live in the UK is under review as the government mulls new ways of curtailing the power and influence of the Kremlin following the Salisbury poisonings.” www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/09/home-office-review-wealthy-russian-investor-visas |
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