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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:23:35 GMT
The herculean effort to reform the American Health System was undertaken by Obama. Only for a lot of it to be undone the the dope on a rope, Donald Trump and his alt right buddies. As far as what has happened here, you are quite right to point out that under a Centre Right Labour Government Blair / Brown resorted to the private sector to PROCURE services to speed up the recovery left by the preceding Tory Government, a situation where our health care was in a state of disarray in 97. But the context was raising funding by an average of 6% per annum, in real terms after 2002. What has happened since 2009 is the opposite, and now we have the ERG in the cabinet who actually think Patrick Minford is intelligent, and actually believe the Laffer Curve exists. You telling me all that is not true? Utter nonsense Oldie. Complete and utter nonsense. I thought you were better than this. You are entitled to your opinion, but show me how I am wrong. Anyway, watching Corbyn. OMG, he is as thick as Johnson. He really does'nt understand the numbers, he really doesnt. Jesus wept |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 26, 2019 19:33:53 GMT
Utter nonsense Oldie. Complete and utter nonsense. I thought you were better than this. You are entitled to your opinion, but show me how I am wrong. Anyway, watching Corbyn. OMG, he is as thick as Johnson. He really does'nt understand the numbers, he really doesnt. Jesus wept Christ is Corbyn the worst Labour leader ever he can't answer a question withere any conviction that he is telying the truth,the first 10 mins on antisemitism was absolutely shocking and a disgrace to the Labour Party. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:33:55 GMT
Wow
Andrew made Corbyn look like the Buffoon he actually is.
I was hoping, as I agree with their Housing policy and Health Care policies on funding, I might be persuaded.
But no, the opposite. The guy is a dickhead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:35:01 GMT
You are entitled to your opinion, but show me how I am wrong. Anyway, watching Corbyn. OMG, he is as thick as Johnson. He really does'nt understand the numbers, he really doesnt. Jesus wept Christ is Corbyn the worst Labour leader ever he can't answer a question withere any conviction that he is telying the truth,the first 10 mins on antisemitism was absolutely shocking and a disgrace to the Labour Party. Totally agree. A shameful performance |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:36:01 GMT
Utter nonsense Oldie. Complete and utter nonsense. I thought you were better than this. You are entitled to your opinion, but show me how I am wrong. Anyway, watching Corbyn. OMG, he is as thick as Johnson. He really does'nt understand the numbers, he really doesnt. Jesus wept Show me a single shread of evidence that you are right. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 26, 2019 19:44:09 GMT
Christ is Corbyn the worst Labour leader ever he can't answer a question withere any conviction that he is telying the truth,the first 10 mins on antisemitism was absolutely shocking and a disgrace to the Labour Party. Totally agree. A shameful performance [b Dont know about you Oldie but AN is my favourite interviewer,he must be every interviewee's worst nightmare as you can see the trap coming in his lead up questions but can do nothing to avoid it. I don't believe any of the Party leaders will come out of their 30 mins with any credit but Corbyn was far worse than I thought he would be. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:55:01 GMT
What’s Mr Corbyn’s relationship like with the Russians? When the whole world acknowledged the Russians were to blame for the Salisbury attack and supported PM May’s response one man stood alone in his refusal to acknowledge Russia’s guilt and refused to add his condemnation. None other than the man that is the friend of terrorists, stands shoulder to shoulder at their funerals and memorials and invites bombers into parliament as his guest. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:59:00 GMT
Jesus what a car crash. I have some sympathy with the last question, that was a complete set up as you can guarantee if he had openly sanctioned a hit, even if on a terrorist, the press would be full of it tomorrow making political capital about how he is a warmonger or some such.
Mind you, he spent the previous 30 minutes trying to avoid giving a binary opinion so he can't argue that he had 'earned the right' not to commit on that question. That cut off at the end was brutal.
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 26, 2019 20:02:52 GMT
Jesus what a car crash. I have some sympathy with the last question, that was a complete set up as you can guarantee if he had openly sanctioned a hit, even if on a terrorist, the press would be full of it tomorrow making political capital about how he is a warmonger or some such. Mind you, he spent the previous 30 minutes trying to avoid giving a binary opinion so he can't argue that he had 'earned the right' not to commit on that question. That cut off at the end was brutal. He is not a fit person to lead the Country and looked like the proverbial rabbit. ..... My concern is that we have not one leader with any gravitas, trust or honesty to vote for the worst bunch I have ever seen. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 20:09:33 GMT
What’s Mr Corbyn’s relationship like with the Russians? When the whole world acknowledged the Russians were to blame for the Salisbury attack and supported PM May’s response one man stood alone in his refusal to acknowledge Russia’s guilt and refused to add his condemnation. None other than the man that is the friend of terrorists, stands shoulder to shoulder at their funerals and memorials and invites bombers into parliament as his guest. Yeah I noticed that that came up and he's gone down in my estimation after hearing that- I'm not some blinkered zealot and whilst I admire his support for the oppressed such as the Palestinians I can't condone his sympathising with Russia or the support of the IRA that seems to get mentioned. It's worth pointing out that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist (Nelson Mandela was, after all, branded a terrorist by Thatcher's mob) but it's an ill-advised look for a politician to align himself so closely with such groups and it's totally right that he gets grilled on that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 20:14:59 GMT
Jesus what a car crash. I have some sympathy with the last question, that was a complete set up as you can guarantee if he had openly sanctioned a hit, even if on a terrorist, the press would be full of it tomorrow making political capital about how he is a warmonger or some such. Mind you, he spent the previous 30 minutes trying to avoid giving a binary opinion so he can't argue that he had 'earned the right' not to commit on that question. That cut off at the end was brutal. He is not a fit person to lead the Country and looked like the proverbial rabbit. ..... My concern is that we have not one leader with any gravitas, trust or honesty to vote for the worst bunch I have ever seen. No, I can't see myself voting Labour now. I didn't realise how minted he is and also that the higher rate of tax for the 'rich' neatly avoids the earnings of an MP so he now has something of the champagne socialist about him. I still would rather Labour win if only because we have had 10 years of the Tories and cuts and inequality (feels like I'm getting the mindset of those who voted leave- change for change's sake) but at the moment I'll be staying home on the 12th. It really feels like there isn't anyone who represents me. Edit: Also that waspi thing has pushed me over the edge- and his defence of it was atrocious. 58 odd million, uncosted, simply to try and bite into some marginal (in terms of numbers) dyed in the wool Tory voters. Judging by the comments on the Daily Heil their target audience have said "Keep the money- we'd rather vote Tory". It's a shameless sell out to buy votes and it won't even work- which is good. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 20:18:52 GMT
What’s Mr Corbyn’s relationship like with the Russians? When the whole world acknowledged the Russians were to blame for the Salisbury attack and supported PM May’s response one man stood alone in his refusal to acknowledge Russia’s guilt and refused to add his condemnation. None other than the man that is the friend of terrorists, stands shoulder to shoulder at their funerals and memorials and invites bombers into parliament as his guest. Yeah I noticed that that came up and he's gone down in my estimation after hearing that- I'm not some blinkered zealot and whilst I admire his support for the oppressed such as the Palestinians I can't condone his sympathising with Russia or the support of the IRA that seems to get mentioned. It's worth pointing out that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist (Nelson Mandela was, after all, branded a terrorist by Thatcher's mob) but it's an ill-advised look for a politician to align himself so closely with such groups and it's totally right that he gets grilled on that. I’m not sure many would compare the two convicted IRA volunteers he invited to parliament (just a few weeks after they tried to murder the whole government in Brighton) to someone like Nelson Mandela but each to their own ! |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 26, 2019 20:19:42 GMT
He is not a fit person to lead the Country and looked like the proverbial rabbit. ..... My concern is that we have not one leader with any gravitas, trust or honesty to vote for the worst bunch I have ever seen. No, I can't see myself voting Labour now. I didn't realise how minted he is and also that the higher rate of tax for the 'rich' neatly avoids the earnings of an MP so he now has something of the champagne socialist about him. I still would rather Labour win if only because we have had 10 years of the Tories and cuts and inequality (feels like I'm getting the mindset of those who voted leave- change for change's sake) but at the moment I'll be staying home on the 12th. It really feels like there isn't anyone who represents me. Yep I'm in the same boat voted Labour all my life but I can't for him or for what Labour now stands for dogma of the Right replaced by dogma of the left. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 20:20:43 GMT
Yeah I noticed that that came up and he's gone down in my estimation after hearing that- I'm not some blinkered zealot and whilst I admire his support for the oppressed such as the Palestinians I can't condone his sympathising with Russia or the support of the IRA that seems to get mentioned. It's worth pointing out that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist (Nelson Mandela was, after all, branded a terrorist by Thatcher's mob) but it's an ill-advised look for a politician to align himself so closely with such groups and it's totally right that he gets grilled on that. I’m not sure many would compare the two convicted IRA volunteers he invited to parliament (just a few weeks after they tried to murder the whole government in Brighton) to someone like Nelson Mandela but each to their own ! No, and I wasn't  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 20:28:13 GMT
No, I can't see myself voting Labour now. I didn't realise how minted he is and also that the higher rate of tax for the 'rich' neatly avoids the earnings of an MP so he now has something of the champagne socialist about him. I still would rather Labour win if only because we have had 10 years of the Tories and cuts and inequality (feels like I'm getting the mindset of those who voted leave- change for change's sake) but at the moment I'll be staying home on the 12th. It really feels like there isn't anyone who represents me. Yep I'm in the same boat voted Labour all my life but I can't for him or for what Labour now stands for dogma of the Right replaced by dogma of the left. I like a left wing Labour but of course left is not black and white, there are varying degrees. I'd hate for a return to new labour but something not as extreme as this iteration. I try not to endorse personality politics but I think at this point Labour could also do with some of the 'charm' that you get from Blair and Johnson, I hate to use the word charisma but you can see that they both have something that reel the casual voter in. In recent times we've had Miliband and Corbyn who are very wishy washy characters and it's clear that quite apart from policies they need more of an energising presence who seems 'credible'. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 20:37:32 GMT
Jesus. Just seen the fake Lib Dem paper- so desperate for votes they have to pretend to be a Dam newspaper.
It's quite stark, the lack of any class all of the parties in this election, none of them are beyond proper hucksterism.
Mind you, if we didn't tolerate it and/or condone it with votes they wouldn't do it in the first place
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 20:48:20 GMT
I’m not sure many would compare the two convicted IRA volunteers he invited to parliament (just a few weeks after they tried to murder the whole government in Brighton) to someone like Nelson Mandela but each to their own ! No, and I wasn't Only being mischievous - can’t help myself sometimes! |
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 26, 2019 20:55:05 GMT
What’s Mr Corbyn’s relationship like with the Russians? When the whole world acknowledged the Russians were to blame for the Salisbury attack and supported PM May’s response one man stood alone in his refusal to acknowledge Russia’s guilt and refused to add his condemnation. None other than the man that is the friend of terrorists, stands shoulder to shoulder at their funerals and memorials and invites bombers into parliament as his guest. Yeah I noticed that that came up and he's gone down in my estimation after hearing that- I'm not some blinkered zealot and whilst I admire his support for the oppressed such as the Palestinians I can't condone his sympathising with Russia or the support of the IRA that seems to get mentioned. Support for the Palestinians, fair enough. But he has described an organisation, who have called for the murder of Jews wherever they live in the world, as "our friends." This from The Guardian. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitismHe`s helping to perpetuate 20 centuries of mankind`s oldest prejudice. Whatever you think of the other candidates, they`re St Francis of Assisi next to Corbyn. |
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 26, 2019 21:04:08 GMT
Jesus. Just seen the fake Lib Dem paper- so desperate for votes they have to pretend to be a f**king newspaper. It's quite stark, the lack of any class all of the parties in this election, none of them are beyond proper hucksterism. Mind you, if we didn't tolerate it and/or condone it with votes they wouldn't do it in the first place But we did tolerate it. And now, our children will be next. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 26, 2019 21:40:07 GMT
Yep I'm in the same boat voted Labour all my life but I can't for him or for what Labour now stands for dogma of the Right replaced by dogma of the left. I like a left wing Labour but of course left is not black and white, there are varying degrees. I'd hate for a return to new labour but something not as extreme as this iteration. I try not to endorse personality politics but I think at this point Labour could also do with some of the 'charm' that you get from Blair and Johnson, I hate to use the word charisma but you can see that they both have something that reel the casual voter in. In recent times we've had Miliband and Corbyn who are very wishy washy characters and it's clear that quite apart from policies they need more of an energising presence who seems 'credible'. I'm a bit more left of centre , would like to see a much fairer society with well funded public services and fair taxation for all not penal taxation on the wealthy just because they are and based on the politics of envy. Whilst I agree with many of Labour's policies I can't sign up to their bonkers renationalisation programme which will cost billions when it's not a priority and I am scarred by working through the 70s when nationalised industries were a bye word for waste and inefficiency. I also don't like the lurking union barons like Mccluskey who can't wait for the return of beer and sandwiches at No 10 to weird unrepresentative influence. Perhaps labour could ditch Corbyn and import Clinton,now there's a man with charisma as long as you ignore his foibles so to speak!! |
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