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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 21:20:37 GMT
Sort of attitude that will prevent leftie parties ever getting into power - don’t like other people’s opinions or choice of vote and resort to insult them. You sound like someone else who posts round here! Stanley called us all illiterate. Shhhhhhhh...it upsets the nationalists |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 7:16:23 GMT
Nothing wrong with tax avoidance. It is perfectly legal. Ever buy duty free when travelling? That is tax avoidance. Ever invest in an ISA? That is tax avoidance. Ever pay someone cash in hand for some work in your house, now that would be tax evasion and illegal, but I bet most on here have done that. Tax avoidance is technically legal but morally questionable with boundaries being pushed, hence legislation like IR35 coming in. The examples given are tax efficient especially with ISAs as they are government endorsed savings and investments. The cash in hand transaction itself isn't illegal, it is for the trader to declare it with HMRC. If in doubt, ask for a VAT receipt. Many loopholes need closing and numerous governments have failed to do so. Until then people will always use tax avoidance schemes if not illegal to do so - that applies to people of all classes. We need to get away from all this bluster about “the rich” being tax dodgers despite doing nothing illegal and reduce the grey area of moral/immoral practices. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 1, 2019 9:12:07 GMT
Tax avoidance is technically legal but morally questionable with boundaries being pushed, hence legislation like IR35 coming in. The examples given are tax efficient especially with ISAs as they are government endorsed savings and investments. The cash in hand transaction itself isn't illegal, it is for the trader to declare it with HMRC. If in doubt, ask for a VAT receipt. Many loopholes need closing and numerous governments have failed to do so. Until then people will always use tax avoidance schemes if not illegal to do so - that applies to people of all classes. We need to get away from all this bluster about “the rich” being tax dodgers despite doing nothing illegal and reduce the grey area of moral/immoral practices. I don't think I mentioned class or wealth, but as you brought it up, who benefits the most in cash terns and who can employ the better accountants to find and proceed with said loopholes? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 10:31:20 GMT
Many loopholes need closing and numerous governments have failed to do so. Until then people will always use tax avoidance schemes if not illegal to do so - that applies to people of all classes. We need to get away from all this bluster about “the rich” being tax dodgers despite doing nothing illegal and reduce the grey area of moral/immoral practices. I don't think I mentioned class or wealth, but as you brought it up, who benefits the most in cash terns and who can employ the better accountants to find and proceed with said loopholes? And the answer is....anyone? |
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Post by William Wilson on Dec 1, 2019 10:56:41 GMT
I don't think I mentioned class or wealth, but as you brought it up, who benefits the most in cash terns and who can employ the better accountants to find and proceed with said loopholes? And the answer is....anyone? Just off the top of my head...those with 25 rip roaring years in the city? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 11:06:19 GMT
And the answer is....anyone? Just off the top of my head...those with 25 rip roaring years in the city? Were you, have you ever been, in the circus William? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 11:10:09 GMT
Sort of attitude that will prevent leftie parties ever getting into power - don’t like other people’s opinions or choice of vote and resort to insult them. You sound like someone else who posts round here! Stanley called us all illiterate. Exactly: he was calling most of the country illiterate and yet there is an extreme irony in that the majority will put his son in power. Nothing more needs to be said. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 11:22:39 GMT
I'm sure you must have more cool stories about tax avoidance by rich British people/corporations too that deprives the economy of much needed funds. Tell us more... Nothing wrong with tax avoidance. It is perfectly legal. Ever buy duty free when travelling? That is tax avoidance. Ever invest in an ISA? That is tax avoidance. Ever pay someone cash in hand for some work in your house, now that would be tax evasion and illegal, but I bet most on here have done that. Well, there is avoidance and there is evasion, one is legal (and I agree that that is down to the government to Police) and one that isn't. But that's going on a tangent to the post I was replying to which was questioning how immigrants take money out of the economy which of all the criticisms about immigration that could be made seems a very strange one seeing as to how you can draw an equivalence with tax evasion/avoidance by the British, with the biggest sums undoubtedly being lost from the rich because as Stuart says they have access to the brightest minds to enable that for them. If you're earning £120k+ I'm sure you're not employing a low level drone from 'Shotgun, Bastard & Dribble' to do your accounting. In both instances money is not going into the British economy so like I say it seems strange to pick on one simply because they are foreign. |
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Post by William Wilson on Dec 1, 2019 11:24:57 GMT
Just off the top of my head...those with 25 rip roaring years in the city? Were you, have you ever been, in the circus William? No, I haven`t. How about yourself? From your avatar, I guess we`re talking Circus Maximus here. |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 1, 2019 11:28:25 GMT
Liar liar or just no idea what he is chatting about?
So Boris Johnson says on Marr, parliament blocked the Queens Speech.
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Post by William Wilson on Dec 1, 2019 11:31:01 GMT
Stanley called us all illiterate. Exactly: he was calling most of the country illiterate and yet there is an extreme irony in that the majority will put his son in power. Nothing more needs to be said. I don`t think the majority will vote for BJ with any degree of enthusiasm. If, ( and it is still if ) he`s elected, it`ll be because people think he`s likely to do less harm to the country over the next five years, than his only credible opponent. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 11:36:48 GMT
Were you, have you ever been, in the circus William? No, I haven`t. How about yourself? From your avatar, I guess we`re talking Circus Maximus here. My avatar? Bert Tann's team? I was just wondering as you have a propensity to keep repeating phrases with no context? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 11:37:32 GMT
Exactly: he was calling most of the country illiterate and yet there is an extreme irony in that the majority will put his son in power. Nothing more needs to be said. I don`t think the majority will vote for BJ with any degree of enthusiasm. If, ( and it is still if ) he`s elected, it`ll be because people think he`s likely to do less harm to the country over the next five years, than his only credible opponent. Less harm than has been inflicted since 2010? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 11:38:10 GMT
Liar liar or just no idea what he is chatting about? So Boris Johnson says on Marr, parliament blocked the Queens Speech. Makes it up as he goes along |
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Post by William Wilson on Dec 1, 2019 11:59:02 GMT
No, I haven`t. How about yourself? From your avatar, I guess we`re talking Circus Maximus here. My avatar? Bert Tann's team? Good point. Well made. I meant your username. |
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Post by William Wilson on Dec 1, 2019 12:00:15 GMT
I don`t think the majority will vote for BJ with any degree of enthusiasm. If, ( and it is still if ) he`s elected, it`ll be because people think he`s likely to do less harm to the country over the next five years, than his only credible opponent. Less harm than has been inflicted since 2010? Well, if you think he`ll do more harm to this country than JC, you know what to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 12:08:32 GMT
My avatar? Bert Tann's team? Good point. Well made. I meant your username. Ah Oldie No much more prosaic than your interpretation. Says what it is on the tin. Old. I😱 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 12:10:28 GMT
Less harm than has been inflicted since 2010? Well, if you think he`ll do more harm to this country than JC, you know what to do. I actually dont think Johnson has the intellect to do much at all. However its who and what he represents as the "useful" buffoon that bothers me. |
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Post by William Wilson on Dec 1, 2019 12:36:21 GMT
Well, if you think he`ll do more harm to this country than JC, you know what to do. I actually dont think Johnson has the intellect to do much at all. However its who and what he represents as the "useful" buffoon that bothers me. Bothers you more than his only credible opponent? You keep on about the damage done to this country since 2010. I ask myself, if JC had been in charge for those years ( or even for five of them ) would this country be in better shape, or worse? I know what I think, and I`ll vote accordingly. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 12:39:22 GMT
Exactly: he was calling most of the country illiterate and yet there is an extreme irony in that the majority will put his son in power. Nothing more needs to be said. I don`t think the majority will vote for BJ with any degree of enthusiasm. If, ( and it is still if ) he`s elected, it`ll be because people think he`s likely to do less harm to the country over the next five years, than his only credible opponent. My feeling on this is “sort of”, as I’ve explained previously I understand better now why people see Corbyn as an unelectable disaster worse than Johnson so he will get some Labour voters holding their nose...but from the polling data showing the Conservative vote mostly skews a lot older (due to Brexit etc) I can quite well believe that most of his vote will not come from a place of duress, and then of course you will have a minority who will vote simply based on the cult of personality (heard a tale about some lad’s girlfriend who is not political at all but is planning to vote for Boris because of how funny he comes across with his shaggy hair and bumbling delivery). As an aside, we have seen all sorts of candidates stood down prior to this election based on comments they have made previously, all parties desperate to project a squeaky clean image...all apart from Johnson who continues to go from strength to strength despite the language he has used previously. He’s pretty untouchable at the moment. However this being politics if the sh** hits the fan in a few years time you can bet he will eventually be ‘retired’ and those doing the retiring will point to those very same comments that are being given a hall pass right now. |
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