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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 7, 2019 1:13:40 GMT
I'm confused to why trying to improve air quality in the central area helps bristolians overall.... Since birth I've lived on (in order) the A4 portway sea mills. A370 coronation rd southville. A4 (again) Bath rd Brislington, the A4018 falcondale rd westbury.... My point being that you can't really stop people living near exhaust fumes with a clean air zone.... It just ain't gonna happen.... For what its worth I now live 'near' the B4055 station rd henbury within about half a mile of the M5 motorway.... The centre of Bristol is the lowest part of the city, about 28ft above sea level. The concentration of traffic and the topography make it harder for the pollution to disperse. Having recently had the "pleasure" of going to temple Meads area near the Feeder for the first time in many years, i can safely say i will not want to repeat that any time soon... complete concrete jungle of building sites and sh** Holes. Think i will stay in the posh part of Bristol called Henbury
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Post by station on Nov 7, 2019 8:10:27 GMT
Don't get me started on the diesel subject FOR YEARS AND RUDDY YEARS consecutive governments preached the benefits of buying a diesel car, so I did, and now I'm public enemy number one, outlawed from the c*ty centre and banished from the Green's B*STARDS!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 8:32:38 GMT
Don't get me started on the diesel subject FOR YEARS AND RUDDY YEARS consecutive governments preached the benefits of buying a diesel car, so I did, and now I'm public enemy number one, outlawed from the c*ty centre and banished from the Green's B*STARDS!!! Give it ten years and everyone who bought an electric car will be in that same boat!
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 7, 2019 9:04:04 GMT
Don't get me started on the diesel subject FOR YEARS AND RUDDY YEARS consecutive governments preached the benefits of buying a diesel car, so I did, and now I'm public enemy number one, outlawed from the c*ty centre and banished from the Green's B*STARDS!!! Give it ten years and everyone who bought an electric car will be in that same boat! Think there is more truth in that statement than you think.....🤪 All them environmental unfriendly batteries to dispose of, problems mining the materials for the batteries, charging cables getting in the way on the streets, National Grid having power issues due to lack of investment etc etc. Will just be swopping one set of challenges/issues for a different set. Basic problem, never really mentioned, is the ever growing population of this world and the ever rising needs of that population. Anyone got any ideas how we sort that one out.....? 🧐
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 9:07:45 GMT
Give it ten years and everyone who bought an electric car will be in that same boat! Think there is more truth in that statement than you think.....🤪 All them environmental unfriendly batteries to dispose of, problems mining the materials for the batteries, charging cables getting in the way on the streets, National Grid having power issues due to lack of investment etc etc. Will just be swopping one set of challenges/issues for a different set. Basic problem, never really mentioned, is the ever growing population of this world and the ever rising needs of that population. Anyone got any ideas how we sort that one out.....? 🧐 100% spot on !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 9:11:22 GMT
Why do you have to spend a small fortune replacing your car? Just buy one a year older and you might make a profit. Buy a Toyota and it'll last forever. Since we're talking about cars on the main forum (and I have no idea why!), the number of gas guzzling SUVs we see nowadays makes my blood boil. What are they for? What's the point of them? Sport utility vehicles. They're not sporty, they're not flexible (an estate car is a much better bet), and they're not utilitarian. They're crap at everything they do except being huge. A pointless trend started by the USA and copied worldwide by mugs. Should have stuck with the old skool cars ... worth a small fortune now Agree. The other day an immaculate RS Sierra with barely any miles and had been garaged for donkeys years just sold at auction for £52k. Wish I’d kept my old 205gti as they sell for decent amounts now too!
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Post by yetigas on Nov 7, 2019 9:20:10 GMT
Think there is more truth in that statement than you think.....🤪 All them environmental unfriendly batteries to dispose of, problems mining the materials for the batteries, charging cables getting in the way on the streets, National Grid having power issues due to lack of investment etc etc. Will just be swopping one set of challenges/issues for a different set. Basic problem, never really mentioned, is the ever growing population of this world and the ever rising needs of that population. Anyone got any ideas how we sort that one out.....? 🧐 100% spot on ! Main problem is not the growing population and their needs, its the wants/expectations/desires that the growing population has. Invest in better public transport and people would not need so many private cars whether they be petrol, diesel, electric or anything else!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 9:27:09 GMT
Main problem is not the growing population and their needs, its the wants/expectations/desires that the growing population has. Invest in better public transport and people would not need so many private cars whether they be petrol, diesel, electric or anything else! I know. I lived in Frankfurt for ten years and didn't own a car ! The public transport is that good. If I needed a car, on a weekend or something, I would just hire one !
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 7, 2019 9:30:24 GMT
Main problem is not the growing population and their needs, its the wants/expectations/desires that the growing population has. Invest in better public transport and people would not need so many private cars whether they be petrol, diesel, electric or anything else! Whilst I don't disagree the level of population growth is unsustainable,how to address the problem is both an intellectual and moral challenge however,try and picture what the World will look like in 50 years if growth is not arrested.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 7, 2019 9:40:01 GMT
Main problem is not the growing population and their needs, its the wants/expectations/desires that the growing population has. Invest in better public transport and people would not need so many private cars whether they be petrol, diesel, electric or anything else! True up to a point, but not all the issues are in the (so called) developed world. Many (environmental) issues of over population growth are in the less developed areas of the world and brings with it many challenges to provide basic needs without damaging the environment. It (the environment) is a global issue and needs a global solution but I really don’t see it happening, for example I think the US just pulled out of a programme for this (?) and getting back to the original point of this thread, whatever Marvin does in a couple of square miles of Bristol is all fine and dandy but really ain’t going to do diddly squat about the bigger elephant in the room.
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Post by gas24 on Nov 7, 2019 10:31:02 GMT
Should have stuck with the old skool cars ... worth a small fortune now Agree. The other day an immaculate RS Sierra with barely any miles and had been garaged for donkeys years just sold at auction for £52k. Wish I’d kept my old 205gti as they sell for decent amounts now too! Saw a barn find Sierra rs 500 With 7000 miles Original tyres (failed mot on tyres) Sold for £80k
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 7, 2019 10:39:57 GMT
Give it ten years and everyone who bought an electric car will be in that same boat! Think there is more truth in that statement than you think.....🤪 All them environmental unfriendly batteries to dispose of, problems mining the materials for the batteries, charging cables getting in the way on the streets, National Grid having power issues due to lack of investment etc etc. Will just be swopping one set of challenges/issues for a different set. Basic problem, never really mentioned, is the ever growing population of this world and the ever rising needs of that population. Anyone got any ideas how we sort that one out.....? 🧐 Hydrogen powered cars
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 7, 2019 11:12:22 GMT
Think there is more truth in that statement than you think.....🤪 All them environmental unfriendly batteries to dispose of, problems mining the materials for the batteries, charging cables getting in the way on the streets, National Grid having power issues due to lack of investment etc etc. Will just be swopping one set of challenges/issues for a different set. Basic problem, never really mentioned, is the ever growing population of this world and the ever rising needs of that population. Anyone got any ideas how we sort that one out.....? 🧐 Hydrogen powered cars Until the first one has a big accident and kills everybody within a 10 or so meters of the collision, one explosion in a filling station has already occurred in Norway taking the whole fuel station with it. interestingengineering.com/hydrogen-fueling-station-explosion-halts-fuel-cell-car-sales-by-toyota-hyundaiNo doubt BCC would ban them anyway on H&S grounds!!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 7, 2019 11:51:53 GMT
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 7, 2019 12:25:56 GMT
Give it ten years and everyone who bought an electric car will be in that same boat! Think there is more truth in that statement than you think.....🤪 All them environmental unfriendly batteries to dispose of, problems mining the materials for the batteries, charging cables getting in the way on the streets, National Grid having power issues due to lack of investment etc etc. Will just be swopping one set of challenges/issues for a different set. Basic problem, never really mentioned, is the ever growing population of this world and the ever rising needs of that population. Anyone got any ideas how we sort that one out.....? 🧐 BOOM
Only joking; I worked in a sustainability role for 5 years and it takes time to persuade people to change their views and ways. As for the science aspect; their are two opposite ends of the spectrum on that argument - UTG
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 7, 2019 12:50:10 GMT
I think it's a good idea in principle but like every idea, implementing it in reality will be difficult. We can't just keep on ignoring the issue of pollution. This isn't about CO2 as much as particulates and NOx. If you don't like the fact that your car is prohibited because it emits carcinogens, get a petrol or hybrid or electric car. Bristol isn't the first city to do it and definitely won't be the last. The writing is on the wall for diesel, as it will be later for petrol. The suggestion that electric vehicles are not really green is very misleading. Of course power stations pollute, but they can provide power for many thousands of cars. They tend to be located in rural areas away from large populations, as opposed to massive numbers of cars chugging around city centres blowing out their crap directly into your lungs and your children's lungs. I find that patronising as not all can just change vehicles after spending on the ones we have. It’s especially galling in the our government pushed diesel for a couple of years.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 7, 2019 13:05:28 GMT
"don't like the fact that your car is prohibited because it emits carcinogens," that's the issue my car doesn't and I have to fill it with Ad Blue every few months to make sure it doesn't but it will still be banned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 13:08:31 GMT
I wanted to trade in my old boiler a while back as it's old and is toxic. I was told by the bloke in the council office, "you married her, so you're stuck with her!".
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 7, 2019 14:46:56 GMT
Not read the whole thing as I’m late to the thread but was curious why it was still ongoing. Lots of scepticism about the feasibility of electric vehicles and their impact on the grid. Energy companies (at least the big ones which are going to stick around and not Micky mouse ones who have their losses written off by their council) are moving to a model where they don’t make money off utilities any more but sell at cost price (or less) so as to bring in customers. They now see profit channels as being driven by smart technology such as putting thermostats in your home, batteries and managing your Electric vehicles power. It’s now possible for suppliers, and yourselves, to make money by charging up in home batteries and plugged in vehicles during the off peak, and discharging during peak times. They should actually end up managing the grid rather than causing harm.
Then to top it all off you can have solar power installed (alongside in home batteries) and go zero carbon and be self sufficient. The challenge is overcoming the capital expense of it all. And decent batteries which last. But there’s lots of innovations on the way
All good progress which Corbyn will put a stop to with his mad nationalisation plans which will see customers pay more not less and kill innovation.
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Post by gregsy on Nov 7, 2019 16:21:50 GMT
Main problem is not the growing population and their needs, its the wants/expectations/desires that the growing population has. Invest in better public transport and people would not need so many private cars whether they be petrol, diesel, electric or anything else! I know. I lived in Frankfurt for ten years and didn't own a car ! The public transport is that good. If I needed a car, on a weekend or something, I would just hire one ! This the real issue here.... The public transport in Bristol hasn't yet reached its full potential regarding what has been agreed to be easily achievable. Henbury station linking south glos to Bristol, not yet done. Portishead station linking north Somerset to Bristol, not yet done.... Why, oh why, can't they implement the infrastructure before even considering these kind of measures. Then again this has been bought about by a bloke who thought Bristol would have an underground.... Clearly doesn't have a clue how to deal with the city's transport needs....
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