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Post by tomylil on Nov 7, 2019 16:36:56 GMT
I know. I lived in Frankfurt for ten years and didn't own a car ! The public transport is that good. If I needed a car, on a weekend or something, I would just hire one ! This the real issue here.... The public transport in Bristol hasn't yet reached its full potential regarding what has been agreed to be easily achievable. Henbury station linking south glos to Bristol, not yet done. Portishead station linking north Somerset to Bristol, not yet done.... Why, oh why, can't they implement the infrastructure before even considering these kind of measures. Then again this has been bought about by a bloke who thought Bristol would have an underground.... Clearly doesn't have a clue how to deal with the city's transport needs.... Rees is a prick who doesn't give a sh** about what Bristol needs which is a Dam proper transport system. He's too busy sucking up to tree huggers.
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Post by aghast on Nov 7, 2019 16:46:30 GMT
I think it's a good idea in principle but like every idea, implementing it in reality will be difficult. We can't just keep on ignoring the issue of pollution. This isn't about CO2 as much as particulates and NOx. If you don't like the fact that your car is prohibited because it emits carcinogens, get a petrol or hybrid or electric car. Bristol isn't the first city to do it and definitely won't be the last. The writing is on the wall for diesel, as it will be later for petrol. The suggestion that electric vehicles are not really green is very misleading. Of course power stations pollute, but they can provide power for many thousands of cars. They tend to be located in rural areas away from large populations, as opposed to massive numbers of cars chugging around city centres blowing out their crap directly into your lungs and your children's lungs. I find that patronising as not all can just change vehicles after spending on the ones we have. It’s especially galling in the our government pushed diesel for a couple of years. The government advice on diesel was annoying, for sure. We used to lag behind Europe in the use of diesel cars until they told everyone get one. Not sure why you find my advice patronising though. Buying a new car is easy. Get a smaller one or one a year older, make a small profit, and feel free to drive into town.
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 7, 2019 17:25:54 GMT
Don't get me started on the diesel subject FOR YEARS AND RUDDY YEARS consecutive governments preached the benefits of buying a diesel car, so I did, and now I'm public enemy number one, outlawed from the c*ty centre and banished from the Green's B*STARDS!!! Give it ten years and everyone who bought an electric car will be in that same boat! Fckit I’m getting a traction engine.
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Post by lpgas on Nov 7, 2019 21:32:20 GMT
Euro 6 compliant diesels will be okay I reckon but we will be totally electric by the time we get a new stadium We need to build 10 more power stations before that happens
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Post by lpgas on Nov 7, 2019 21:42:19 GMT
I have spent a lot of my savings on a EURO 6 engine van, and yes any charges will be passed on to the customer.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 7, 2019 22:56:23 GMT
Bloody eco warriors
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Post by baggins on Nov 8, 2019 5:53:08 GMT
Euro 6 compliant diesels will be okay I reckon but we will be totally electric by the time we get a new stadium We need to build 10 more power stations before that happens You mean the French.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 6:49:18 GMT
Give it ten years and everyone who bought an electric car will be in that same boat! Fckit I’m getting a traction engine. Steam is the future, mark my words.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 8, 2019 8:04:55 GMT
We need to build 10 more power stations before that happens You mean the French. Or the Chinese. And in a few years time, probably Iran. It seems that anybody but us are capable of large infrastructure projects. In our own country. I wonder what would have happened during WW2 if we'd given old Adolph a call and asks if h fancied building us a new armaments factory because the Luftwaffe had just blown ours up. Sad really.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 8, 2019 8:30:01 GMT
Give it ten years and everyone who bought an electric car will be in that same boat! Think there is more truth in that statement than you think.....🤪 All them environmental unfriendly batteries to dispose of, problems mining the materials for the batteries, charging cables getting in the way on the streets, National Grid having power issues due to lack of investment etc etc. Will just be swopping one set of challenges/issues for a different set. Basic problem, never really mentioned, is the ever growing population of this world and the ever rising needs of that population. Anyone got any ideas how we sort that one out.....? 🧐 And that is the elephant in the room, the one you're not allowed to talk about. I read the other day that some scientists have come out and stated that all the Eco challenges can be laid at the door of the increasing world population. A pretty obvious statement really, but I hope they have their tin hats on because the outrage on Facebook and Twitter started immediately, with many eco fiends saying they should start the population decrease project with the scientists. As you were then, time to put fingers in ears and sing la la la. What I find even more strange is the number of economic refugees who are prepared to paddle across the English Channel in an upturned biscuit tin or die in the back of a lorry to get here, when they've just left what the remainers constantly tell us is the utopia that is the European Union.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Nov 8, 2019 8:32:23 GMT
Don't get me started on the diesel subject FOR YEARS AND RUDDY YEARS consecutive governments preached the benefits of buying a diesel car, so I did, and now I'm public enemy number one, outlawed from the c*ty centre and banished from the Green's B*STARDS!!! Give it ten years and everyone who bought an electric car will be in that same boat! If the centre is only 28 feet above sea level, that is what you will need.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 8, 2019 8:54:21 GMT
Jesus, this thread is a complete embarrassment from many on here.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 8, 2019 9:10:56 GMT
Think there is more truth in that statement than you think.....🤪 All them environmental unfriendly batteries to dispose of, problems mining the materials for the batteries, charging cables getting in the way on the streets, National Grid having power issues due to lack of investment etc etc. Will just be swopping one set of challenges/issues for a different set. Basic problem, never really mentioned, is the ever growing population of this world and the ever rising needs of that population. Anyone got any ideas how we sort that one out.....? 🧐 And that is the elephant in the room, the one you're not allowed to talk about. I read the other day that some scientists have come out and stated that all the Eco challenges can be laid at the door of the increasing world population. A pretty obvious statement really, but I hope they have their tin hats on because the outrage on Facebook and Twitter started immediately, with many eco fiends saying they should start the population decrease project with the scientists. As you were then, time to put fingers in ears and sing la la la. What I find even more strange is the number of economic refugees who are prepared to paddle across the English Channel in an upturned biscuit tin or die in the back of a lorry to get here, when they've just left what the remainers constantly tell us is the utopia that is the European Union. In the last century we had two world wars which slowed the population down combined with a massive flu epidemic during the first world war, Just Sayin'
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Post by oldgas on Nov 8, 2019 9:31:42 GMT
And that is the elephant in the room, the one you're not allowed to talk about. I read the other day that some scientists have come out and stated that all the Eco challenges can be laid at the door of the increasing world population. A pretty obvious statement really, but I hope they have their tin hats on because the outrage on Facebook and Twitter started immediately, with many eco fiends saying they should start the population decrease project with the scientists. As you were then, time to put fingers in ears and sing la la la. What I find even more strange is the number of economic refugees who are prepared to paddle across the English Channel in an upturned biscuit tin or die in the back of a lorry to get here, when they've just left what the remainers constantly tell us is the utopia that is the European Union. In the last century we had two world wars which slowed the population down combined with a massive flu epidemic during the first world war, Just Sayin' The 2 world wars were man's inhumanity to man. The pandemic was a natural disaster which couldn't be avoided. Theres no getting away from it, the worlds poulation is out of control. The Chinese have tried to address the problem by limiting couples to one child. I don't know if it's working. People will rage and say they should be allowed to have as many children as they want. Fair enough, but don't complain in a few years time when you're starving, flooded out and the rain forests are all blazing. Just sayin.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 8, 2019 9:33:43 GMT
Jesus, this thread is a complete embarrassment from many on here. Whys that? Seems like a topical discussion to me. All together now "La la la la la"
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Post by Gassy on Nov 8, 2019 9:55:28 GMT
Jesus, this thread is a complete embarrassment from many on here. Whys that? Seems like a topical discussion to me. All together now "La la la la la" Well the comments about 'Rees is a prick' 'He's too busy sucking up to tree huggers' - plus when others talk about the red vs blue politics and how each other is to blame for it. Perhaps I should change 'many' to 'some' - but considering its on the Rovers chat, it took a completely different route to what the OP was talking about. There is already so much going on about politics atm, I actually quite enjoy coming to the Rovers forum to get away from it, but now it ends up being the top thread in the Rovers chat section ffs
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Post by baggins on Nov 8, 2019 12:12:46 GMT
Whys that? Seems like a topical discussion to me. All together now "La la la la la" Well the comments about 'Rees is a prick' 'He's too busy sucking up to tree huggers' - plus when others talk about the red vs blue politics and how each other is to blame for it. Perhaps I should change 'many' to 'some' - but considering its on the Rovers chat, it took a completely different route to what the OP was talking about. There is already so much going on about politics atm, I actually quite enjoy coming to the Rovers forum to get away from it, but now it ends up being the top thread in the Rovers chat section ffs Why pick on this thread? There's plenty of others with loads more crap.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 8, 2019 12:16:36 GMT
Whys that? Seems like a topical discussion to me. All together now "La la la la la" Well the comments about 'Rees is a prick' 'He's too busy sucking up to tree huggers' - plus when others talk about the red vs blue politics and how each other is to blame for it. Perhaps I should change 'many' to 'some' - but considering its on the Rovers chat, it took a completely different route to what the OP was talking about. There is already so much going on about politics atm, I actually quite enjoy coming to the Rovers forum to get away from it, but now it ends up being the top thread in the Rovers chat section ffs Yeah, I know what you mean, but This diesel ban may well affect fans who travel across Bristol to the Mem. I just don't see how they can impose this sh1t without putting in place some alternative that works. Marvin Rees has talks about an underground system for Bristol. Fine, get on and do it and integrate it with the present overground rail system and the busses, then you can ban diesel cars from the city, but you have to offer an alternative. I can see people saying f### you and ignoring the ban en mass. What would the authorities do then? I think this has been rushed through to try and out-green the Green Party who, because of all the tree-hugging environmentalists who have emigrated here from London are getting a bit too much traction for their liking. And if The Greens ever got in, well then we'd have something to worry about. I can't see night matches at the Mem or the sewer being much fun under candle powered floodlights.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 8, 2019 12:19:16 GMT
I find that patronising as not all can just change vehicles after spending on the ones we have. It’s especially galling in the our government pushed diesel for a couple of years. The government advice on diesel was annoying, for sure. We used to lag behind Europe in the use of diesel cars until they told everyone get one. Not sure why you find my advice patronising though. Buying a new car is easy. Get a smaller one or one a year older, make a small profit, and feel free to drive into town. Some of us are not in a position to do that and for numerous reasons. I won’t go into my own reason as I feel both belittled & embarrassed by it and writing about it only stresses me even more. I could be persuaded if this was a government directive & they gave a helping hand, as they did with the scrapage scheme. I just hope that sense prevails and they make concessions for blue badge holders. I have to go to hospital at least once a week and sometimes more, this is a potential nightmare for me and I’d imagine a fair few others, who I see in the various clinics. This could all be academic as it has to be rubber stamped by the government yet. We shall see & I will try to put it to the back of my mind, for now. I am all for getting traffic volume down but our council seem to have made such a mess of the infrastructure that carries all of the traffic. I think a better way would be to limit the sheer amount of cars than any family can have yet be under the same roof. When I went back, to look after my parents one of the first things we did was sell dads car as it was silly paying 2 lots of everything when it was simple enough to share. This will never happen though as it goes against all the basics of our capitalist system. Having less cars would be the way to go about this but it’s far too sensible in nature to get any backing. Of course, this is just my own opinion.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 8, 2019 12:24:51 GMT
Main problem is not the growing population and their needs, its the wants/expectations/desires that the growing population has. Invest in better public transport and people would not need so many private cars whether they be petrol, diesel, electric or anything else! I know. I lived in Frankfurt for ten years and didn't own a car ! The public transport is that good. If I needed a car, on a weekend or something, I would just hire one ! The Germans are so far ahead of us. I really found it hard to adjust after being there for just over 3 years. We could learn a great deal from them, in this area and others. Don’t get me started on litter !
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