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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 10:58:05 GMT
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Post by TugPhase on Jul 11, 2020 10:58:05 GMT
If his contract is up next summer then we would have to weigh up cashing in on him now and using the money to try and replace him... or having him for one last season and letting him go for nothing (or have him for half a season and then let him go for peanuts in January) We'd all like him to sign a new deal - but I can totally understand him holding out for an offer from a top League One or Championship club. Yeah, if he doesn't sign a new deal then get rid of him before the season starts, imo. Hanging on to our best players until they leave on a free might feel good in the short term (ie when they're still playing for us) but makes no sense in the long term, and the club should be run for the long term. Playing devils advocate a bit; would you pay £700k to avoid relegation? Without any other goals in the team, that has to be a realistic consideration. Keeping him will give us three windows to find goals vs one. Admittedly without the £700k funds, but you have to assume it's unlikely that we will splash that on someone anyway, given our track record of frugal spending.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 11, 2020 11:00:24 GMT
Yeah, if he doesn't sign a new deal then get rid of him before the season starts, imo. Hanging on to our best players until they leave on a free might feel good in the short term (ie when they're still playing for us) but makes no sense in the long term, and the club should be run for the long term. Playing devils advocate a bit; would you pay £700k to avoid relegation? Without any other goals in the team, that has to be a realistic consideration. Keeping him will give us three windows to find goals vs one. Admittedly without the £700k funds, but you have to assume it's unlikely that we will splash that on someone anyway, given our track record of frugal spending. Well, I kinda agree, but if we need to not sell to avoid relegation, we're doing it wrong anyway. And, if he goes on a free, then the next season we are still trying to avoid relagation with even less money. But as you say, it buys us time.
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 11:05:25 GMT
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Post by Marshy on Jul 11, 2020 11:05:25 GMT
Playing devils advocate a bit; would you pay £700k to avoid relegation? Without any other goals in the team, that has to be a realistic consideration. Keeping him will give us three windows to find goals vs one. Admittedly without the £700k funds, but you have to assume it's unlikely that we will splash that on someone anyway, given our track record of frugal spending. Well, I kinda agree, but if we need to not sell to avoid relegation, we're doing it wrong anyway. And, if he goes on a free, then the next season we are still trying to avoid relagation with even less money. But as you say, it buys us time. It would be nice if he signed a new contract, that would take all this guesswork out of the equation for now. I presume we are still trying to get him to extend his contract?
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Post by alanrg on Jul 11, 2020 11:17:56 GMT
Where do we get this fee of £700,000 never mentioned in the post more rubbish journalism
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 11, 2020 11:27:40 GMT
Where do we get this fee of £700,000 never mentioned in the post more rubbish journalism Gaschatfact.
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 11:34:34 GMT
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 11, 2020 11:34:34 GMT
Got him for nothing.
Turn a profit.
Repeat.
Welcome to the future boys.
Its Good business.
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Post by wertongas on Jul 11, 2020 11:50:45 GMT
The 700,000 figure was conjured up by a east anglian paper it's probably based on Harrison's fee . When our owner has just invested 22million in the club why would we let one of our best players go for a knock down price.
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 12:32:27 GMT
Post by Topper Gas on Jul 11, 2020 12:32:27 GMT
The 700,000 figure was conjured up by a east anglian paper it's probably based on Harrison's fee . When our owner has just invested 22million in the club why would we let one of our best players go for a knock down price. What would you take if it was your own money £700K+ this summer, £300K in January, or £0 next summer? Hopefully we can match any wages offer from any other L1 side, unless Sunderland come knocking, so it really comes down to whether Championship sides are interested or whether JCH will sign a new contract.
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 12:44:24 GMT
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 11, 2020 12:44:24 GMT
I think we can be pragmatic and constructive in our discussions with JCH. First of all we tell him we will conclude contract extension talks only after the window closes, if he is still here he will have a fair idea what other clubs would have paid him in wages terms. Next we advise him that if a club in any other division or country other than our own lays an offer on the table in this window that matches or exceeds our current valuation of his worth to us then we will allow him to talk to them and he can decide to stay or go. If at the end of the window we are the club that values his services most highly then it’s right that he continue to ply his trade with us and sign an extension on improved terms with us. In the event that he continues his development, remains injury free and thus attracts more attention meeting our valuation in the next or subsequent windows our promise still stands that we allow him to talk to them. Where clubs in our own division are concerned it is our stated objective to play attractive football with the aim of attaining promotion to the championship, thus we will not entertain weakening our ability to do so by reducing our assets and boosting those of a direct competitor. Whether or not these prospective suitors are historically bigger clubs they are plying their trade at the same standard of competition as ourselves and thus JCH would not be making any upward improvement on the standard of football he would be playing when joining them. However, if they offered more than our valuation of him, then we would allow him to discuss terms as that would mean we could purchase an asset of equivalent value and still have money left over which would be a nett gain on our competitor. If during negotiations with any club in our own division it becomes known that the pay package being offered is above the current level he is on. Then that becomes the basis for negotiation of his contract extension with us that should be completed as soon as the window closes. Think that would be a way of treating both the club’s and the player’s aspirations fairly. Agree. Acting in that way would be good man management, show respect to the player but also make it clear that BRFC is the main priority. That way the club can stand tall and show respect to the player and hopefully receive respect back. I like the player and recognise his value to us but he’s been a round peg in a round hole here. In most other places he has been the round peg but in a square hole and he hasn’t, to date scored consistently elsewhere and certainly not in the Championship so to say he would walk into any Championship team is hope over expectation imo. He’s a bright guy and I think he realises that himself which is why he’s appeared to be fairly happy here so far. Long may it continue. UTG!
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 13:00:39 GMT
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 11, 2020 13:00:39 GMT
Surely clubs cant go out spending loads of money on players after being on furlough. The public might want the money back Good point, I assume Coventry have got all their players Furloughed but have just spent £1.3m on a player, something isn't right on that score. And they don't even have a ground
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 13:02:39 GMT
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 11, 2020 13:02:39 GMT
Got him for nothing. Turn a profit. Repeat. Welcome to the future boys. Its Good business. True that's how it works at clubs like us. Doesn't mean we should accept the first offer that comes in as is usually the case. Worse players have been signed for more than 700k
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 13:11:26 GMT
Post by wertongas on Jul 11, 2020 13:11:26 GMT
The 700,000 figure was conjured up by a east anglian paper it's probably based on Harrison's fee . When our owner has just invested 22million in the club why would we let one of our best players go for a knock down price. What would you take if it was your own money £700K+ this summer, £300K in January, or £0 next summer? Hopefully we can match any wages offer from any other L1 side, unless Sunderland come knocking, so it really comes down to whether Championship sides are interested or whether JCH will sign a new contract. I would keep the player we are very short in fire power, when we sold Ellis two years ago we struggled and if it wasn't for GC would have gone down, we can't afford to let him go there is not enough fire power in the team without him. If Wael can afford to keep him which he can then we should keep, will never move forward by selling our best players, it will gives us a year to bring in replacements.
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 13:29:41 GMT
Post by badengas on Jul 11, 2020 13:29:41 GMT
The 700,000 figure was conjured up by a east anglian paper it's probably based on Harrison's fee . When our owner has just invested 22million in the club why would we let one of our best players go for a knock down price. What would you take if it was your own money £700K+ this summer, £300K in January, or £0 next summer? Hopefully we can match any wages offer from any other L1 side, unless Sunderland come knocking, so it really comes down to whether Championship sides are interested or whether JCH will sign a new contract. I'd take the gamble and go for promotion with 20 plus goals from JCH.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 11, 2020 13:52:32 GMT
What would you take if it was your own money £700K+ this summer, £300K in January, or £0 next summer? Hopefully we can match any wages offer from any other L1 side, unless Sunderland come knocking, so it really comes down to whether Championship sides are interested or whether JCH will sign a new contract. I would keep the player we are very short in fire power, when we sold Ellis two years ago we struggled and if it wasn't for GC would have gone down, we can't afford to let him go there is not enough fire power in the team without him. If Wael can afford to keep him which he can then we should keep, will never move forward by selling our best players, it will gives us a year to bring in replacements. Is the whole ethos of the club what Hugo's already suggested, sell players to bank the profits, that's not going to work if we let our best players run down their contracts and leave for free. Peterborough's stance seems a good one, sign a new contract or if you only have a year left you'll be sold. Although Maddison still ran is contract down.
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 13:56:38 GMT
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 11, 2020 13:56:38 GMT
What would you take if it was your own money £700K+ this summer, £300K in January, or £0 next summer? Hopefully we can match any wages offer from any other L1 side, unless Sunderland come knocking, so it really comes down to whether Championship sides are interested or whether JCH will sign a new contract. I'd take the gamble and go for promotion with 20 plus goals from JCH. Or to save us from relegation..
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Post by neilv93 on Jul 11, 2020 14:00:08 GMT
Got him for nothing. Turn a profit. Repeat. Welcome to the future boys. Its Good business. Spot on, exactly how we should be. I remember the uproar on here when we signed him ("his goal record is awful"/"who?") and if you told those people at that time that we'd be selling him 18 months and 27 goals (in 49 apps!) later for £700k, you'd be shot down. JCH has done well at the club and we've done well for him. Sell, use the profit the find the next gem and then rinse and repeat.
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Jul 11, 2020 14:07:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 14:07:52 GMT
I would keep the player we are very short in fire power, when we sold Ellis two years ago we struggled and if it wasn't for GC would have gone down, we can't afford to let him go there is not enough fire power in the team without him. If Wael can afford to keep him which he can then we should keep, will never move forward by selling our best players, it will gives us a year to bring in replacements. Is the whole ethos of the club what Hugo's already suggested, sell players to bank the profits, that's not going to work if we let our best players run down their contracts and leave for free. Peterborough's stance seems a good one, sign a new contract or if you only have a year left you'll be sold. Although Maddison still ran is contract down. You can only sell a player who is willing to be sold. You can’t just stick them on ebay.
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 14:09:10 GMT
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 11, 2020 14:09:10 GMT
I would keep the player we are very short in fire power, when we sold Ellis two years ago we struggled and if it wasn't for GC would have gone down, we can't afford to let him go there is not enough fire power in the team without him. If Wael can afford to keep him which he can then we should keep, will never move forward by selling our best players, it will gives us a year to bring in replacements. Is the whole ethos of the club what Hugo's already suggested, sell players to bank the profits, that's not going to work if we let our best players run down their contracts and leave for free. Peterborough's stance seems a good one, sign a new contract or if you only have a year left you'll be sold. Although Maddison still ran is contract down. I think it has to be. It's more sustainable. I would take issue with you saying bank the profits mind, we are losing 3M a year (reportedly) so will need to find 2 more JCHs this season just to break even.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 11, 2020 17:19:56 GMT
Is the whole ethos of the club what Hugo's already suggested, sell players to bank the profits, that's not going to work if we let our best players run down their contracts and leave for free. Peterborough's stance seems a good one, sign a new contract or if you only have a year left you'll be sold. Although Maddison still ran is contract down. I think it has to be. It's more sustainable. I would take issue with you saying bank the profits mind, we are losing 3M a year (reportedly) so will need to find 2 more JCHs this season just to break even. The plan seems to be getting annual losses to around the £1m mark, so we just need one JCH per season, Oxford and Posh seem to manage it, not sure I've much faith in BG doing it but that's for another thread.
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JCH
Jul 11, 2020 17:35:44 GMT
Post by wilmslowgas on Jul 11, 2020 17:35:44 GMT
Is the whole ethos of the club what Hugo's already suggested, sell players to bank the profits, that's not going to work if we let our best players run down their contracts and leave for free. Peterborough's stance seems a good one, sign a new contract or if you only have a year left you'll be sold. Although Maddison still ran is contract down. You can only sell a player who is willing to be sold. You can’t just stick them on ebay. This is a really good point. If JCH wants to run his contract down there is absolutely nothing the club can do about it. He wouldn't be the first to do that in recent times. Lockyer?
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