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Post by joebananas67 on Jan 11, 2020 8:23:51 GMT
If rumours are to be believed BG was first approached about the Rovers position when the board believed GC was on his way to Plymouth in the summer.
Now I firmly believe this for the following reasons
1. The lack of summer activity by GC in the transfer market
2. The fact BG has made no secret of the number of games he has seen of ours this season
3. The constant comments of GC on ‘board support’ in press conferences.
4. GC’s sudden departure as if he believed (as anyone would) that forces were working behind his back would rather look after number one.
5. Why the board were confident of making a quick appointment following GC’s departure.
6. The quick signings of Barrett and Mitchell-Lawson who must have been on TW and BG radar
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Post by Jomo on Jan 11, 2020 8:32:17 GMT
I don't doubt BG applied for the position after DC left, and I wouldn't be surprised if some discussions took place then and maybe even informally since then, but the rest I see as paranoid conspiracy theories.
He's not had a good start, I was concerned about his appointment in the first place but at the same time cautiously excited at a potential leap forward in the standard of football. Personally I do think that these players needed a focussed no-nonsense approach that plays to their strengths which is mostly attitude driven with a bit of quality to turn 0-0s into wins. Another approach could well be seeing us come unstuck, and is actually what I feared when DC first left. GC to his great credit far surpassed my expectations as I thought we would unravel after DC departed.
All that being said, I want to give BG a fair amount of time to see if he can make a success of it. He needs his first win soon though. But can we please just give him the time and quit this ridiculous hysteria?
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Post by Gaswood on Jan 11, 2020 8:39:41 GMT
Agree with Jomo. First win is key, but Doncaster aren’t a team we tend to do well against in recent years so not surprising if it doesn’t come today. Regarding players, I would imagine TW has a very long list that he monitors, with all types of player, so likely he would have had these (or one of) and Garner was also aware of them. They are well rated players. Pirate recommends a lot if players from his personal scouting ideas, and they aren’t all purely flair / all out workhorse types, it’s a mixture according to what’s needed.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 11, 2020 8:42:23 GMT
If rumours are to be believed BG was first approached about the Rovers position when the board believed GC was on his way to Plymouth in the summer. Now I firmly believe this for the following reasons 1. The lack of summer activity by GC in the transfer market 2. The fact BG has made no secret of the number of games he has seen of ours this season 3. The constant comments of GC on ‘board support’ in press conferences. 4. GC’s sudden departure as if he believed (as anyone would) that forces were working behind his back would rather look after number one. 5. Why the board were confident of making a quick appointment following GC’s departure. 6. The quick signings of Barrett and Mitchell-Lawson who must have been on TW and BG radar What about the high(er) profile manager we were trying to get soon after GC's departure that fell through? |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 11, 2020 8:44:52 GMT
If rumours are to be believed BG was first approached about the Rovers position when the board believed GC was on his way to Plymouth in the summer. Now I firmly believe this for the following reasons 1. The lack of summer activity by GC in the transfer market 2. The fact BG has made no secret of the number of games he has seen of ours this season 3. The constant comments of GC on ‘board support’ in press conferences. 4. GC’s sudden departure as if he believed (as anyone would) that forces were working behind his back would rather look after number one. 5. Why the board were confident of making a quick appointment following GC’s departure. 6. The quick signings of Barrett and Mitchell-Lawson who must have been on TW and BG radar Nah I don't believe it at all. 1. What lack of summer activity? 2. He watched them on DVD? He said he attended Peterborough, but 'watched' every game 3. What constant comments from GC? Do you have evidence of that? From what I remember the first time was after Ipswich 4. Again, any proof? It doesn't really fit the argument tbh 5. The board approached Nathan Jones first, so that pretty much throws the theory out the window. We appointed Ben in a normal amount of time. 6. Ben said when hired the club had its own targets for January, as he did as well. They sat down together and made a plan together. Now they've executed it. Unfortunately rumours like these are just more ways to slate and bash the club when really, there is nothing to see here. Only at Rovers could we move fast in the transfer window and it be viewed as a bad thing |
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Post by aghast on Jan 11, 2020 8:49:55 GMT
I think it's an interesting question.
GC's departure was very odd. His given reason for suddenly wanting to be closer to his family after 10 years in the south didn't seem very plausible.
The dwindling attendances despite our lofty league position would have alarmed the owners, and a lack of funds given to him to enable a serious push for the Championship might suggest they didn't see him as the man for the job.
Having said it's interesting, it doesn't really matter now. BG is here and we just have to hope he can make it work as the Barcelona of L1.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 11, 2020 8:49:56 GMT
I don't doubt BG applied for the position after DC left, and I wouldn't be surprised if some discussions took place then and maybe even informally since then, but the rest I see as paranoid conspiracy theories. He's not had a good start, I was concerned about his appointment in the first place but at the same time cautiously excited at a potential leap forward in the standard of football. Personally I do think that these players needed a focussed no-nonsense approach that plays to their strengths which is mostly attitude driven with a bit of quality to turn 0-0s into wins. Another approach could well be seeing us come unstuck, and is actually what I feared when DC first left. GC to his great credit far surpassed my expectations as I thought we would unravel after DC departed. All that being said, I want to give BG a fair amount of time to see if he can make a success of it. He needs his first win soon though. But can we please just give him the time and quit this ridiculous hysteria? Here, Here! especially the last paragraph! |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 11, 2020 8:56:53 GMT
Funny stuff.
Our owners are constantly called clueless and accused of having no plan.
Now they are these devious, machiavellian plotters who have orchestrated this whole thing for nearly 18 months without anyone in the Blue Oyster bar knowing about it.
You really couldn't make it up.
Except you have.
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Post by oldgas on Jan 11, 2020 8:58:56 GMT
If rumours are to be believed BG was first approached about the Rovers position when the board believed GC was on his way to Plymouth in the summer. Now I firmly believe this for the following reasons 1. The lack of summer activity by GC in the transfer market 2. The fact BG has made no secret of the number of games he has seen of ours this season 3. The constant comments of GC on ‘board support’ in press conferences. 4. GC’s sudden departure as if he believed (as anyone would) that forces were working behind his back would rather look after number one. 5. Why the board were confident of making a quick appointment following GC’s departure. 6. The quick signings of Barrett and Mitchell-Lawson who must have been on TW and BG radar What about the high(er) profile manager we were trying to get soon after GC's departure that fell through? Do you mean Nathan Jones? Jones? |
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Post by Jomo on Jan 11, 2020 8:59:41 GMT
I think it's an interesting question. GC's departure was very odd. His given reason for suddenly wanting to be closer to his family after 10 years in the south didn't seem very plausible. The dwindling attendances despite our lofty league position would have alarmed the owners, and a lack of funds given to him to enable a serious push for the Championship might suggest they didn't see him as the man for the job. Having said it's interesting, it doesn't really matter now. BG is here and we just have to hope he can make it work as the Barcelona of L1. He'd been down south for 10 years, 9 of nine without the responsibility of being a manager. Being promoted to a high level role of great responsibility will have been his ambition but I doubt he realised how much time it would involve in terms of taking phone calls and having meetings with agents and staff and players, the owners etc. This would all be on top of tactical stuff and coaching. Coaching was his only role before last year. Not so implausible in my view that he decided he wanted to move closer to home as I expect he saw much less of his family in the last 12 months compared to previously. Lack of attendances I agree would have given cause for concern to the board, but I doubt they would have approached BG because of this!? Lack of funding to push for the Championship? The window wasn't even open yet! Not to mention that we are operating at maximum capacity with regards to FFP so BG's hands are tied no more and no less than GC's would have been. |
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jan 11, 2020 9:07:12 GMT
If rumours are to be believed BG was first approached about the Rovers position when the board believed GC was on his way to Plymouth in the summer. Now I firmly believe this for the following reasons 1. The lack of summer activity by GC in the transfer market 2. The fact BG has made no secret of the number of games he has seen of ours this season 3. The constant comments of GC on ‘board support’ in press conferences. 4. GC’s sudden departure as if he believed (as anyone would) that forces were working behind his back would rather look after number one. 5. Why the board were confident of making a quick appointment following GC’s departure. 6. The quick signings of Barrett and Mitchell-Lawson who must have been on TW and BG radar Good work Miss Marple |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 11, 2020 9:35:29 GMT
If rumours are to be believed BG was first approached about the Rovers position when the board believed GC was on his way to Plymouth in the summer. Now I firmly believe this for the following reasons 1. The lack of summer activity by GC in the transfer market 2. The fact BG has made no secret of the number of games he has seen of ours this season 3. The constant comments of GC on ‘board support’ in press conferences. 4. GC’s sudden departure as if he believed (as anyone would) that forces were working behind his back would rather look after number one. 5. Why the board were confident of making a quick appointment following GC’s departure. 6. The quick signings of Barrett and Mitchell-Lawson who must have been on TW and BG radar Good work Miss Marple Yep, the footprints in the flower bed definitely match the fingerprints on the candlestick. |
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Post by legas on Jan 11, 2020 9:53:15 GMT
Yep, the footprints in the flower bed definitely match the fingerprints on the candlestick. That’s how my wife caught me out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 9:57:22 GMT
If we lose today all this is true.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 10:07:57 GMT
There certainly have been some odd comments by GC and BG. And I *could* believe it. But then I forgot about the approach for Jones which does rather scupper it somewhat.
Whatever the ins and outs I think we made a grave error by making an appointment so soon especially after the caretaker manager did us no harm last Christmas. We weren’t under any pressure to make a quick appointment and yet we did and are now reaping the dubious rewards.
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Post by althepirate on Jan 11, 2020 10:21:54 GMT
There certainly have been some odd comments by GC and BG. And I *could* believe it. But then I forgot about the approach for Jones which does rather scupper it somewhat. Whatever the ins and outs I think we made a grave error by making an appointment so soon especially after the caretaker manager did us no harm last Christmas. We weren’t under any pressure to make a quick appointment and yet we did and are now reaping the dubious rewards. Can you imagine this forum if we were slow in replacing GC? |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 11, 2020 10:28:13 GMT
If we lose today all this is true.
What do you mean 'if' ?......bloody rose tinters 
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Post by teanbiscuits on Jan 11, 2020 10:32:03 GMT
Funny stuff. Our owners are constantly called clueless and accused of having no plan. Now they are these devious, machiavellian plotters who have orchestrated this whole thing for nearly 18 months without anyone in the Blue Oyster bar knowing about it. You really couldn't make it up. Except you have. I don't think it is made up. Not saying it's all true either but he raises some interesting points for debate. Personally I was surprised to hear him straight from the get go how the gaffer had transfer targets lined up already and that the means were in place to bring people in and completely re-mould the squad. The complete opposite of Graham Coughlans stuck with what we've got policy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 10:32:54 GMT
There certainly have been some odd comments by GC and BG. And I *could* believe it. But then I forgot about the approach for Jones which does rather scupper it somewhat. Whatever the ins and outs I think we made a grave error by making an appointment so soon especially after the caretaker manager did us no harm last Christmas. We weren’t under any pressure to make a quick appointment and yet we did and are now reaping the dubious rewards. Can you imagine this forum if we were slow in replacing GC? What was the forum like when we temporarily replaced D.C. with GC? Pretty quiet I presume because we were winning games? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 10:34:13 GMT
There certainly have been some odd comments by GC and BG. And I *could* believe it. But then I forgot about the approach for Jones which does rather scupper it somewhat. Whatever the ins and outs I think we made a grave error by making an appointment so soon especially after the caretaker manager did us no harm last Christmas. We weren’t under any pressure to make a quick appointment and yet we did and are now reaping the dubious rewards. Can you imagine this forum if we were slow in replacing GC? Some of us did suggest leaving maher/mansell in control on a caretaker basis. |
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